Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[NairWizard]

Me after fighting a Pikachu on For Glory and losing constantly.

why does this character exist

Son, I got 2-stocked twice by @ Vermanubis ' Ganondorf as Pikachu this morning, git gud

(though we went even overall in our matches, besides my trolling)

 

[Aunt Jemima]

Kirby's alt tier list is exactly how they're arranged in-game, but switch Kusamochi and Chalk (@ Lavani why did you do this) Kirby. Kusamochi would be so amazing but the color choice is horrid. It should have been the same as Return to Dreamland. MK Kirby would be a billion times better if it was taken from Triple Deluxe, too. Orange Kirby looks like a wanna-be Red Kirby.

Basically, all of Kirbys alts would be amazing but Kusamochi, Orange and Meta Knight all suffer from poor color choice.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Kirby's alt tier list is exactly how they're arranged in-game, but switch Kusamochi and Chalk (@ Lavani why did you do this) Kirby. Kusamochi would be so amazing but the color choice is horrid. It should have been the same as Return to Dreamland. MK Kirby would be a billion times better if it was taken from Triple Deluxe, too. Orange Kirby looks like a wanna-be Red Kirby.

Basically, all of Kirbys alts would be amazing but Kusamochi, Orange and Meta Knight all suffer from poor color choice.

Y u do dis ; ;
Creamsicle Kirby is the 3rd best Kirby palette imo

 

[Lavani]

For the record I would use Choice band Pikachu because clearly he is cheating. can only use one move my bum.

Clearly a Lopunny hits him with Entrainment Klutz on his way to the stage every time.

If I actually played Pikachu I'd totally use that palette whenever trolling with nothing but Quick Attack though.

Chalk (@ Lavani why did you do this)

Your life is better for this and you know it.

 

[Soul.]

lmao Entrainment + Slaking

 

[kenniky]

But Shulk (and so many other characters) actually has good palettes. You're missing out ;-;

I like my characters vanilla, ok? It's the same reason most of my characters had default looking armor in Xenoblade for most of the story.

Sometimes I use other Shulk palettes because they're all cool except Shirtless (lol fanservice) and Riki (his color scheme is just bad), although Riki is the true hero so it's ok

... Shadow?

You don't mean that god awful MK skin, right...?

Is that actually supposed to be Meta Knight?

ew

what were they thinking Kirby has so many more options than Meta Knight

Also RIP dark Olimar who got replaced by Alph

My Pikachu amiibo is goggles, and my MK amiibo is purple if that means anything

 

[Lorde]

@ Lavani
I finally found my original palette list. Some of these were completely random (like Chocolate Mario. What was I thinking)? It's still kinda close to the list I just posted, though. Most of the palettes that changed between this one and the other one are my second favorites now.

I like my characters vanilla, ok? It's the same reason most of my characters had default looking armor in Xenoblade for most of the story.

Sometimes I use other Shulk palettes because they're all cool except Shirtless (lol fanservice) and Riki (his color scheme is just bad), although Riki is the true hero so it's ok

Gorl, you need to start livin' like Larry.

I like pink Shulk, but the white and the blue/purple/orange one is good, too. Sexy Shulk may be fanservice, but I'm okay with that. We need a shirtless man to balance out ZSS's sexy palettes.

 

[Macchiato]

Here are my favorite palettes

 

[Lavani]

I take back everything bad I ever said about Trophy Rush for unlocking customs. All I've got left to get is Sonic's neutralB 3 and all it took was absentmindedly mashing Warlock Punch while watching twitch streams and replying here.

It actually took a kinda long time to get the four other customs I was missing I guess, but it also took no focus so it was worth it.

 

[Lorde]

Here are my favorite palettes

View attachment 44696 View attachment 44697

>Male Robin and Male Wii Fit

 

[kenniky]

I like pink Shulk, but the white and the blue/purple/orange one is good, too. Sexy Shulk may be fanservice, but I'm okay with that. We need a shirtless man to balance out ZSS's sexy palettes.

imo Shulk > Melia > Dunban > Fiora > Sharla > Reyn > Riki > shirtless

for those of you ignorant: Red > Pink > Black > White > Blue > Orange/Black > wtf is this color scheme > shirtless

 

[HeroMystic]

I'd beg for Shadow just for this:

beautiful edge Kappa

me

That is a massively good song. Do you prefer the Crush 40 version?

Also:

 

[Lorde]

imo Shulk > Melia > Dunban > Fiora > Sharla > Reyn > Riki > shirtless

I've never played Xenoblade, so these names are meaningless to me.

I think I know that Dunban is the ugly black one, though. Melia is the pink one I like, maybe?

edit: ty for adding the colors for us uneducated folk.

 

[Soul.]

That is a massively good song. Do you prefer the Crush 40 version?

Also:

I heard both of them and honestly the source version sounds better.
Never Turn Back though.
also this:

 

[Lavani]

I'm going to apologize in advance for posting this.

Spoiler

 

[HeroMystic]

>Male Robin and Male Wii Fit
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I play Male Robin.

He can marry Tharja.

 

[Lavani]

yeah well fem!robin can marry cherche in my fanfics so HA

 

[Vermanubis]

Good GOD, how does this social have so much activity?!

 

[Blossom ✿]

I heard both of them and honestly the source version sounds better.
Never Turn Back though.
also this:

Ooooh, did someone say, Never Turn Back?

The piano at the beginning tho

 

[Lorde]

I play Male Robin.

He can marry Tharja.

I've never even played an FE game, but I can tell you that Tharja is overrated.

Maribelle, Cordelia, Sumia, and Cherche are all better marriage material.

 

[Soul.]

I'm going to apologize in advance for posting this.

Spoiler

 

[HeroMystic]

I've never even played an FE game, but I can tell you that Tharja is overrated.

Maribelle, Cordelia, Sumia, and Cherche are all better marriage material.

Lissa beats all of them.

But Tharja gives me Ignis/Vengeance Nosferatu Morgan.

 

[Lavani]

Spoiler

Maribelle was actually my second least favorite girl in Awakening, after Tharja

Spoiler

but I disliked almost everyone in Awakening so oh well.

Spoiler

also I married Lucina despite liking Cherche more so Morgan would have Aether.

Speaking of Fire Emblem waifus, I should get around to playing Thracia 776 for Sara.

SOME DAY

 

[Lorde]

Lissa beats all of them.

Her weird hair/head thing is a deal-breaker, imo. She has a nice color scheme if that means anything.

Also, what is this thing with Tharja and backs? I remember someone saying she has a back fetish and idk if that's actually a thing or...

 

[Ffamran]

Nope.

Huh, weird... I didn't play Dr. Mario in Melee a lot, but that's just weird. It's not even that powerful compared to Mario's regular hitbox Fair, right?

@ Ffamran Falco was great in Brawl because being good in Brawl meant exploiting the game's system more than having a solid character.

Warning: More rants!

Spoiler

The difference was that Fox was not only a solid character, but he exploited Melee's engine. Falco on the other hand was a clone of a solid character and exploited Melee and Brawl's engines. Likewise, Mario was a good character, but he never exploited any of the game's system and Dr. Mario being a clone meant he could borrow Mario's strengths as a character or Captain Falcon and Ganondorf. On their own, Dr. Mario was good and so was Ganondorf, but Falco? Falco was good in Melee even without exploiting the engine while in Brawl he was good as well without exploiting the engine or laser spam. In SSB4? He's good and that's it, but the fact that they made a good character worse because he could exploit the engines of past games and SSB4 so far has no one being able to exploit the engine and at the same time being able to exploit the engine makes Falco not good, but average at best.

They took a character by a previous character's design that was good on his own merits, made it worse by un-defining his play style from being what seemed like a defensive, anti-zoner and punisher to someone who's more of an up-close punisher like Ganondorf when by design, he wasn't supposed to be like that. There wasn't anything even wrong with Melee Falco and if Brawl Falco kept Melee Falco's Blaster, it wouldn't be this uproar of laser spam in Brawl or making SSB4 Falco's Blaster crap. Look at Luigi, Rosalina, Link, Toon Link, etc. and they all have better projectiles than Falco by default or customs. Should I mention his Blaster does 3% when Luigi's Fireballs do 5%? Or how about the end lag on Rosalina's Shooting Star Bit? Oh, Falco's Blaster lasers travel farther, but the end lag and the game's speed makes it difficult to use. I mean, it's like giving someone a sniper rifle and expecting them to win against a person with a pistol standing about a meter away from them. Trying quickscoping or no-scoping in real life, it's not going to be easy and the guy with the pistol can just lift his arm and pull the trigger.

The game's balanced, but there are some questionable things like making a projectile that bad or the franchise's issue with making Zelda a defensive character where in reality she's just a mess of a character or Samus being the "best character". There's a difference between utterly destroying a move, making a move broken, and toning it down. In Melee, Falco's Blaster was all right, in Brawl, it became broken, and now in SSB4, it was destroyed. This isn't even like toning down Greninja's Water Shuriken or making Rosalina's Nair less powerful. In patch 1.04, Falco's "buff" to his Blaster is the equivalent to Zelda's 0.7% "buff" on her... what move was it? Hey, how about making it so people don't fall out of Zelda's moves, make Falco's Blaster more like Melee, or make it so Diddy's aerials aren't on average like frame 5? And how about Luma not being able to kill DK at 22% with Uair juggles?

On a different note, I experienced the power of Meta Knight's Shuttle Loop. Okay, so I didn't want to play Meta Knight in Brawl because he was "OP" and I just don't like playing with an "easy" character despite not knowing anything about him and doing poorly with him whenever I used or had to use him like in Subspace Emissary. Well, when SSB4 had him less insane, I tried him out and I found him interesting. I liked him in Brawl, but I didn't want to play him because of his status as a powerful character. Well, from what I remember, Shuttle Loop was weird in Brawl. In SSB4 (and I think Brawl), he feels like you really need precision to use like Greninja, Marth, Lucina, Falco, and Sheik. That made me think that Shuttle Loop isn't that easy to use. I caught a ZSS in the air with it, killed her, then in the next match, I used it OOS wondering if it would work; it did. I made the ZSS ragequit after that. First off, I barely know how to use Meta Knight which leads to a lot of whiffs and standing around wondering, "What the hell can I do?"

This little batpuff, man, is cool and fun. The moment Shuttle Loop killed ZSS the first time in the air, I freaked out. The last time I can remember something like that happening was with Captain Falcon's Knee almost to the ground, Raptor Boost spiking, the spikes close to the edge with Ike and Yoshi, I think Mega Man's Slash Claw, and Falco's Bair. There are moves in this game that are like, "DAYUM! That killed and like that!? HOLY MACARONI! The power! I FEEL THE POWER!" @warionumbah2 and @ Lavani .

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Good GOD, how does this social have so much activity?!

Powered by low tier tears :^)

I've never even played an FE game, but I can tell you that Tharja is overrated.

Maribelle, Cordelia, Sumia, and Cherche are all better marriage material.

Olivia and Sayri tho
Too bad the latter has **** support convos

 

[HeroMystic]

Cherche is amazing, but I like Lissa more.

Tharja for masochistic reasons.

Sumia is cute too but her tripping thing is overplayed. I only like her with Chrom.

Meh @ everyone else.

Her weird hair/head thing is a deal-breaker, imo. She has a nice color scheme if that means anything.

Also, what is this thing with Tharja and backs? I remember someone saying she has a back fetish and idk if that's actually a thing or...

https://youtu.be/0uunZ14DnJE?t=597

 

[HeroMystic]

Also every Mario @ Aftershock has been really annoying me.

 

[NairWizard]

Good GOD, how does this social have so much activity?!

I believe that it started out as some sort of memetic Zelda-pity thing, because the Zelda mains think that Zelda is so bad in smash 4. It is now basically the Smashboards Smash 4 Social.

Or the Triforce of Wisdom may just have more appeal than the Triforce of Power :')

 

[Soul.]

The Smash 4 Social is the thread Smashboards deserves.
This is the CCI social.

 

[Lorde]

https://youtu.be/0uunZ14DnJE?t=597

honestly wtf

______
The Smash 4 Social is gross and I'm glad that I've never went in it.

 

[Lavani]

Huh, weird... I didn't play Dr. Mario in Melee a lot, but that's just weird. It's not even that powerful compared to Mario's regular hitbox Fair, right?

Uhh...I dunno how strong Mario's non-spike fair hitbox is, but Doc's fair is stronger than Greninja's 1.0.0 fair if that tells you anything (hint: it's really strong)

On a different note, I experienced the power of Meta Knight's Shuttle Loop. Okay, so I didn't want to play Meta Knight in Brawl because he was "OP" and I just don't like playing with an "easy" character despite not knowing anything about him and doing poorly with him whenever I used or had to use him like in Subspace Emissary. Well, when SSB4 had him less insane, I tried him out and I found him interesting. I liked him in Brawl, but I didn't want to play him because of his status as a powerful character. Well, from what I remember, Shuttle Loop was weird in Brawl. In SSB4 (and I think Brawl), he feels like you really need precision to use like Greninja, Marth, Lucina, Falco, and Sheik. That made me think that Shuttle Loop isn't that easy to use. I caught a ZSS in the air with it, killed her, then in the next match, I used it OOS wondering if it would work; it did. I made the ZSS ragequit after that. First off, I barely know how to use Meta Knight which leads to a lot of whiffs and standing around wondering, "What the hell can I do?"

This little batpuff, man, is cool and fun. The moment Shuttle Loop killed ZSS the first time in the air, I freaked out. The last time I can remember something like that happening was with Captain Falcon's Knee almost to the ground, Raptor Boost spiking, the spikes close to the edge with Ike and Yoshi, I think Mega Man's Slash Claw, and Falco's Bair. There are moves in this game that are like, "DAYUM! That killed and like that!? HOLY MACARONI! The power! I FEEL THE POWER!" @warionumbah2 and @ Lavani .

Good, good.

I don't remember why I didn't play Meta Knight in Brawl, I just didn't find something about him enjoyable I guess. But yeah, he's a pretty precise character in this game - I think Greninja's still worse to play in lag, but MK definitely feels it more than most.

Shuttle Loop is really good, albeit really risky if you whiff or if they fall out before the second hit. While it may seem like you'd want to mainly use it in the air to kill after uair juggles or fthrow or something, the grounded version is a lot stronger and OoS Shuttle Loop can get you kills around 100%. Unfortunately since it's so easy to just tack Shuttle Loop on to the end of combos for that easy 12%, it tends to end up really stale and not killing until 130~150% in that case, so you do need to be wary of how much you've been using it when playing MK. The disjoint on the move is massive, so it can beat out a lot of things and catch opponents at a surprising distance.

 

[FullMoon]

So I played against a Custom Charizard today just for practice and some things I found while playing with him.

- Shifting Shuriken beats Dragon Rush for some combo goodness
- Even if Rock Hurl is used to stop juggles, Greninja can fast fall quickly enough to dodge the rocks and if they're close enough to the ground he can even punish Charizard with Up-Smash
- Rising Cyclone is scary as hell.
- Substitute is great if you can bait Rock Hurl from Charizard while juggling him.

Overall I feel like with customs Greninja actually has an easier time with Charizard than without them, lol. We kill Zard quick with SS -> Up-Smash, but he can also kill us really early with Up-B, otherwise Greninja leaves Charizard with pretty much no room to breathe and even his ways of stopping Greninja from juggling him can be abused.

 

[Soul.]

The Smash 4 Social is gross and I'm glad that I've never went in it.

It's gross in the sense that 4 is a stupid number and version 3.0 of the social thread was the GOAT

 

[Alacion]

I'm actually not sure how you guys still find things to talk about.

 

[Soul.]

This thread is a competitive social thread.
If you're bored just go to the Smash 4 Social, where the crazy happens. Break the Limits.

 

[Rizen]

I learned MK in Brawl and he was absurdly OP. SSB4 MK is how Brawl's MK should have been.

Falco got hit with the nerf hammer hard in SSB4. I imagine that's how Jigglypuff players felt after Melee was replaced by Brawl.

 

[SBphiloz4]

yeah well fem!robin can marry cherche in my fanfics so HA

SPEAKING OF FIRE EMBLEM FANFICS

*self promotion intensifies*
it's also RobinXCherche

 

[Kofu]

Nope
Garden is weaker idk by how much
Pocket Plus is 1.3X

Garden doesn't have a multiplier

 

[Tilk]

Just got back from Kingsman: The Secret Service. Little dissapointed in myself that I didn't see it sooner. o.o

Anywho, anyone up for a round or two on 3DS?