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[Lavani]

I knew Rosa had jab cancel options, but I didn't know before today that Luma uair was one of them. The best part is, even if Luma is separated, the autolink ANGLE on his uair throws the opponent back toward Rosalina so she can uair/fair them too. It's an interesting damage racking option, but I rarely have Luma separated so I don't think it'll be useful often.

Also I managed a dash grab during Luma's jab3 today somehow. Forgot to save the replay.


why is scalding fludd so good
I've always been a Luigi fan but Scalding FLUDD makes me want to change my mind


Speaking of frame 1 grenades,

what's the deal with the can? Does it hitstun cancel, or are there just holes in things like Ness' fair? Last time I watched Xanadu, DunnoBro was throwing out cans in the middle of Ness' fair.

Am I the only one assuming that Mewtwo won't just be a port from Melee?

 

[Macchiato]

Anybody want to play? I can't deal with FG anymore omg. A Fox just spammed shine the whole match. THIS AIN'T MELEE.

Pls Samurai

Sure make a room

 

[Berserker.]

I'm glad you're sticking to your guns @ Macchiato

 

[Soul.]

What does Scalding F.L.U.D.D. do again
A F.L.U.D.D. that deals damage?

 

[Lavani]

What does Scalding F.L.U.D.D. do again
A F.L.U.D.D. that deals damage?

To put it simply, think of it like Charizard's Flamethrower, except you can charge it and the end lag is low enough to combo off of it.

 

[Soul.]

To put it simply, think of it like Charizard's Flamethrower, except you can charge it and the end lag is low enough to combo off of it.

hmm
last time i checked I couldn't combo off of it. maybe I was doing something wrong

 

[Berserker.]

What does Scalding F.L.U.D.D. do again
A F.L.U.D.D. that deals damage?

It's water that burns because logic

 

[Lavani]

ok

pretend you're playing pokemon

it's scald

hmm
last time i checked I couldn't combo off of it. maybe I was doing something wrong

Use it in the air and drift toward your opponent

Mario's amazing air speed will get you close enough to get a dash grab off it, possibly among other things.

 

[Berserker.]

Random note: Shulk dittos can die in a fire

 

[Soul.]

oh yeah, Scald
Mario is Water-type confirmed

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Edit: I also found out. My Rosa sucks. My Mario is GOOD. Why did I drop Mario?

Eh, Rosalina isn't a pick up and get the hang of character. I've been playing her since the 3ds version came out and I still barely know what I'm doing. >.>

Rosalina is the only character that makes me want to flip off the player for choosing her at a tournament. And I played against Timber Counter Villager.

Well thanks. >.>

Also Timber counter is inferior to regular timber.

pretend you're playing pokemon

it's scald

Well, I mean it is called Scalding fludd for a reason.

 

[Kofu]

*late reply*

>mfw people hate your main

Good. The salt is great for my fries.

Don't misunderstand, I like Falcon (I use him in Melee, knees for days). I just think he has some pretty ridiculous hitboxes that make fighting him more difficult than it should be. That said, his overall character design in this game is very solid. I think he'll be a character somewhat akin to Brawl Dedede of Game & Watch in that he gets wrecked by the top tiers but beats or even invalidates most characters below him.

 

[Berserker.]

Shulk ditto comes down to:

- Hey look... He's using buster, speed then!
- Oh crap speed!? Jump art!
- Wait wha--- jump art? BUSTER!!
- Shield art? Jump art
- Smash art? No one cares that much tbh
- Buster vs buster? Lol
- Smash vs Smash? Lol
- Speed vs Speed? Bait fest
- Jump vs Jump? No one gets hit

I can even add more reasons as to why I'd rather go Mario against Shulk than go on a Shulk ditto. smh

 

[HeroMystic]

Use it in the air and drift toward your opponent

Mario's amazing air speed will get you close enough to get a dash grab off it, possibly among other things.

When Mario mains stop using HP FLUDD because "HEY I PUSH HARDER!" they'll see why Scalding FLUDD is the best Down-B custom.

Well thanks. >.>

Also Timber counter is inferior to regular timber.

Sorry, Rosalina gets me frustrated her, and everyone in Texas wants to main Rosalina for some reason.

Timber Counter is inferior to regular timber in every way except ledge camping, and since I'm Mario I kinda don't care about regular timber.

 

[Berserker.]

everyone in Texas wants to main Rosalina for some reason.

The only good Rosalinas I know from texas atm are Jopan (is that his name?) and iiggy

Texas players are going Rosalina now? Well F. Good thing TGC bans customs.

 

[Kofu]

Last night on for Glory I pulled some ridiculous stunt against Sheik's Bouncing Fish. I saved the replay but haven't rewatched it yet but IIRC I shield the first hit, then ran over and USmashed. Game & Watch's invincibility tanked Bouncing Fish's rebound and the attack went through and killed Sheik.

Anyone want to play a few matches?

EDIT: Xyr0 is an idiot for banning customs

 

[Soul.]

3DS or Wii U?
Customs?

 

[Kofu]

3DS or Wii U?
Customs?

Either or, customs are fine. I don't have many sets made up on Wii U yet but I don't mind others using them.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Sorry, Rosalina gets me frustrated her, and everyone in Texas wants to main Rosalina for some reason.

It's funny because I'm a texas Rosalina main.

 

[HeroMystic]

The only good Rosalinas I know from texas atm are Jopan (is that his name?) and iiggy

Texas players are going Rosalina now? Well F. Good thing TGC bans customs.

There's quite a number of them that I saw in TGC, they just didn't get that far. (I lost to a Rosalina player in Winners and IIRC he got top 20), and at our weeklies there's roughly 3-4 players with Rosalina as their secondary, and Jopan plays every week. I love Jopan though. We're bros. Probably because he's just as tired of playing against Marios as I am Rosalinas.

 

[Soul.]

Either or, customs are fine. I don't have many sets made up on Wii U yet but I don't mind others using them.

alright
3DS it is then. adding

 

[HeroMystic]

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It's funny because I'm a texas Rosalina main.

 

[Soul.]

@ Kofu who's hosting?

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

If it makes you feel any better, I have no way to go to tournaments yet. I also have villager as a secondary so there is that.
: )

 

[Nammy12]

I finally got my Shulk amiibo!

 

[FullMoon]

... Lol. Just now I got the 1.0.2 Patch notice for the Wii U. How long has it been since that patch was released now? Wow.

 

[Kofu]

@ Kofu who's hosting?

I'll host I guess

 

[Ffamran]

Can you intercept spacies Side B anymore? I played in a small tourney tonight against a Fox that kept going through my Fsmash as Zelda, so I resorted to just catching the end of it.

I remember in Brawl when I could easily intercept it with Fsmash and Nayru's.

Falco Phantasm doesn't have a hitbox for the last half or so of the distance, so you can and should catch Falco. Fox Illusion has a full hitbox, but both moves like Ike's Quickdraw have end lag which means you can punish them. Wolf Flash is another story since it travels at an angle.

I'm glad you're sticking to your guns @ Macchiato

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I finally got my Shulk amiibo!

*Bangs head on a desk*

Sorry, oh the problems I have faced trying to get my hands on Rosalina and Shulk. Pro-tip. Nin-nin games isn't the best site for imports. Never again. I'm still trying to find a way to cancel my order. Since it's been about a month or so and they still haven't shipped me anything.

 

[Macchiato]

Any Lucina's in Texas?

 

[Jaguar360]

IMO Mewtwo will be a threat because the mechanics seem to help him in this game better than what Melee offered him.

- No Melee airdodge = less of a liability when thrown in the air
- USmash and Disable air dodge reads from Dthrow
- Amazing double jump + teleport auto-ledge grab = OP recovery
- Rage Uthrow
- Has range in normals
- Fastfall Nair -> Grab seems legit
- Dtilt is like your god and savior for combos and spacing
Only downside is that he's a big target so he'll get bodied by Sheik and . RIP Diddy counters.

No one pays attention when I say these things ;_;

Mewtwo's Melee traits would be a huge asset in Smash 4. In addition to the above, high air speed is really valuable to have and, in combination with his floatiness and high double jump will make him hard to combo (death to your Hoos and Hahs). Pretty much all multi-hit moves were buffed from Melee to Sm4sh (even Zelda's u-smash, f-smash and n-air are buffed compared to Melee), so that's an automatic buff to N-air and U-smash for Mewtwo. Also, amazing recovery + high air speed + b-air and d-air pretty much means beastly edgeguarding on paper at least, which is a big deal. Philoz pretty much covered everything else. Even a mere port of Melee Mewtwo should do well in Smash 4.

Yes, this is the Mewtwo Social now

 

[Berserker.]

No one pays attention when I say these things ;_;

Mewtwo's Melee traits would be a huge asset in Smash 4. In addition to the above, high air speed is really valuable to have and, in combination with his floatiness and high double jump will make him hard to combo (death to your Hoos and Hahs). Pretty much all multi-hit moves were buffed from Melee to Sm4sh (even Zelda's u-smash, f-smash and n-air are buffed compared to Melee), so that's an automatic buff to N-air and U-smash for Mewtwo. Also, amazing recovery + high air speed + b-air and d-air pretty much means beastly edgeguarding on paper at least, which is a big deal. Philoz pretty much covered everything else. Even a mere port of Melee Mewtwo should do well in Smash 4.

I pay attention

 

[Nammy12]

*Bangs head on a desk*

Sorry, oh the problems I have faced trying to get my hands on Rosalina and Shulk. Pro-tip. Nin-nin games isn't the best site for imports. Never again. I'm still trying to find a way to cancel my order. Since it's been about a month or so and they still haven't shipped me anything.

I have a relative that goes to Japan frequently so I was able to get him to pick one up for me.

 

[HeroMystic]

Any Lucina's in Texas?

@Locuan is the only Lucina main I personally know. There's another Lucina main who goes to our weeklies, but he literally started playing the game like... a week ago.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

As a rare person who doesn't care about Mewtwo, alt color based on mew please at least. Or at least pink. :3

 

[Soul.]

omg this lag wtf

 

[Jaguar360]

Why is it that every time I go to the ClashTournaments stream there's a commercial break?

 

[Kofu]

omg this lag wtf

I have no idea, usually my connection is fine.

 

[Lavani]

I think the only thing we can say for sure about Mewtwo is that he'll enjoy finally having a disjointed tail, since tails/wings seem to be universally disjointed in this game, so no more stupid hurtbox.

Watch uthrow get gutted, Teleport tweaked to be at least as slow as Palutena's, and his bair removed completely because it'd be "too good" disjointed.

 

[Soul.]

I have no idea, usually my connection is fine.

yeah, I try to get on but an error code (018-0201) shows up every single time