Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[Toadallstar2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-X65DcZdzU#t=2m43s (2:43)
What Zelda really needed, an Uair nerf

Ouch. I think that is stale though, she connected at 1:27.

I will say look at 1:46, THAT RECOVERY. The automatic connection, loving it. That UpB is one thing that impressed me a lot with S4. Ending lag is still atrocious but I guess with all the time (and mechanics perhaps?) better spent teleporting, it's not terrible. Also fsmash and upsmash connect well despite others assuming they don't.

 

[ぱみゅ]

And her uptilt is pretty fast, I love that part.
Nayru doesn't seem terrible, but I need to observe it more.

Now her Phantom.....

 

[Toadallstar2]

And her uptilt is pretty fast, I love that part.
Nayru doesn't seem terrible, but I need to observe it more.

Now her Phantom.....

Oh yes, Nayru too is very good in comparison. I think we all need to calm our lacefronts for a bit. Hope for more footage after Saturday. Thx for that vid btw it was among my favorite so far.

 

[BJN39]

You know, in one video I saw Nayru's nearly KO ZSS at like, 150%.

Alongside that, Farore's reappear hit-box now has a (large) sweetspot that does 12\13% and knocked REALLY far away on Greninja at only 45%

 

[Rizen]

^It's not much but, the game's not out yet and Zelda could get tweaked to be better.
Her game might revolve around the DownB phantom a lot. It looks like a good, safe defensive and offensive move that has a lot of potential in the air. Covering landings, intercepting, eating projectiles, etc.

 

[ihskeyp]

Now sis...

Because you have so much experience with her down b?

 

[ihskeyp]

I know a bad move when I see one.

It might not be good in its own but we don't know all the different ways we can use it yet.

 

[Rizen]

@ fujin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujBjn1qeCLs

 

[ぱみゅ]

Now that the game is official, wigs must be ours!

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Zeldas down and side specials are completely useless.

(´Д｀)

 

[ihskeyp]

Zeldas down and side specials are completely useless.

(´Д｀)

We don't know enough about her down special to call it 'useless' yet. We need to have experience with the moves and try it out in different ways.
And now that the mechanics have changed, dins fire will still probably suck, but it probably won't be completely useless anymore.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

... I played with the E3 demo the other day >.>

 

[ihskeyp]

... I played with the E3 demo the other day >.>

So you were able to test literally every way possible that you could use those two specials? Probably not. That take a pretty long time.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

They're both channeled moves in a game where channeled moves are horribly unviable.

Side B was nerfed from Brawl (which was already one of the worst moves in the game in a singles environment)

Down B was just awful, it doesn't function well as a defensive move since the hitboxes are awkwardly placed and it has no distance when fully charged so you can't even camp with it.

pls don't tell me how this game works, I already know.

 

[BJN39]

They're both channeled moves in a game where channeled moves are horribly unviable.

Side B was nerfed from Brawl (which was already one of the worst moves in the game in a singles environment)

Down B was just awful, it doesn't function well as a defensive move since the hitboxes are awkwardly placed and it has no distance when fully charged so you can't even camp with it.

pls don't tell me how this game works, I already know.

E3 demo you say? Well, the least we can do is hope they have changed them for the better between E3 (June was it?) and now. They've had e few months, and considering they were apparently taking player feedback, it's not entirely out of the question yet.

 

[Foughen]

I mean....

Did Aero lie?

Din's got WORSE.
It doesn't take much to realize that a move that was already bad and got worse, is going to be a bad move.

I really don't know what the point of Phantom was.
It looks terrible, and goes like 4 feet in front of her after like 3 seconds of charging.

When Phantom was first shown in a screen shot I really wanted it to be summoned so it just walks around on it's own(even if slowly) for like 15 seconds and attacks anyone that comes near, that would have been more useful that this crappy giant, slow projectile that it is now.

Now that I've seen the custom moves, I still think Zelda is going to be bad.
If we get really good at aiming Din's sniping I see it being a somewhat viable projectile.
But I dunno that hitbox is terrible.

I mean I'll try ha out because her lightning kicks look better and easier to land, and hopefully her grab is a lot faster

 

[KuroganeHammer]

her grab is faster

haven't tried all her special customs yet

Din's is still HORRIBLE but ive only tried default and the big one

Phantom also still sucks, they didn't change either from the demo

Up B is good now though, lol

 

[Foughen]

Yeah Farore's is the only move I can see that actually looks really good now.
And it can still be ledge canceled.

Though the moment I saw that Paletuna basically has a shorter version of the same thing that looks even faster sort of takes the hype away.

Paletuna looks like she can do pretty much everything Zelda can, but better :/.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Palutena is Sakurai's waifu, pls understand

I'm pretty sure Zelda is definitely low tier. But who knows, maybe her custom specials will save her?

Edit: The optimal loadout for Zelda WILL be:

Any Nayru's
Default Farore's
Fast Din's
Phantom 2

 

[Foughen]

Which one though?

Is she going to push people of the stage to death with Nayru's.

Or maybe push them with a Farore's that tell the opponent exactly where she's going?

Din's is the only special that looks like it has useful custom options.


I think Paletuna is going to be really good.
And super overused.

 

[Zerudahime]

palutena kinda looks good, but zelda will be better imo.
most of these custom speculations require further testing for me to see a usage for them.
I really think she will be a solid character.

 

[Foughen]

palutena kinda looks good, but zelda will be better imo.

but zelda will be better imo.

Now cyst...

 

[KuroganeHammer]

With all due respect, Zerudahime, Zelda has a horribly flawed moveset. I really can't see her moving out higher than mid tier.

While I see Palutena being at least mid tier with high/top tier potential.

 

[Rizen]

Darn, I was hoping when we got some actual game time with Zelda she wouldn't be as bad as we thought. But she is
Does anyone have footage of all Zelda's moves?

 

[Foughen]

Darn, I was hoping when we got some actual game time with Zelda she wouldn't be as bad as we thought. But she is
Does anyone have footage of all Zelda's moves?

 

[ihskeyp]

Everyone is saying that the game is a lot more balanced than Brawl. People in the Zelda boards are more pessimistic about Zelda than anyone. I get hyped in Twitter and stuff, then I come here and everyone is like 'she sucks.'

And, even if Zelda ends up being WORST character in the game I'll still do my best to main her.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

封じ go look at my weight lisr

 

[Foughen]

Everyone is saying that the game is a lot more balanced than Brawl. People in the Zelda boards are more pessimistic about Zelda than anyone. I get hyped in Twitter and stuff, then I come here and everyone is like 'she sucks.'

And, even if Zelda ends up being WORST character in the game I'll still do my best to main her.

Ahhh to be a casual.

I remember those days fondly.

 

[ihskeyp]

Ahhh to be a casual.

I remember those days fondly.

So anyone that still has hope for Zelda is a casual? Ok.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Ahhh to be a casual.

I remember those days fondly.

www.smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-weight-rankings.367479/#

 

[Rizen]

^thanks mysterious stranger

People on the Zelda boards have played Zelda competitively, lol.

 

[Zerudahime]

the games mechanics do a lot for her, so just wait and it will pan out.
if she is deemed garbage, we can push for customs and im sure there is much to be discovered.
dont be so doom and gloom my friends.

Ive mained zelda all the way until now and there is some light here. just wait and see.

 

[SpLSlick]

Nairo has been playing Zelda at the clashtournament stream if anyone is interested btw

 

[Lil Puddin]

Naryu's 3rd alternative is amazing. Her down B is nice too because she can move soon after casting it. Her 3rd Din alternative is beautiful, and the 2nd one is the fast projectile she has needed all along. I still want to see the sweet spots on her lightning kicks.

 

[Alacion]

I don't think Zelda beats Palutena. Don't know too much but people do speculate Palutena to be top tier, at least for now.

Also, most characters seem to have been weakened which is why it takes most veteran characters longer to kill than in prior games.

 

[Backgammon]

The title says it all, come here to just chat with other Zelda mains~

 

[Alacion]

But will this thread be as fabulous as Brawl's is/was?

 

[Backgammon]

In this one, you bowl Bombchus. The other one doesn't have Bombchus. I think it's clear which is better.

 

[Aibou]

Oh, hey! I main Zelda too! Never really thought to acquaint myself with the Zelda boards in Brawl, but I wanna change that now ^^. Can't wait to play her when the WiiU version drops.

 

[Rickster]

I'm the same! Except...I don't main her. Or anyone, really. But I'm glad to finally make a proper introduction!