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Lavani

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I'm pretty sure it's the same at every interval of 25.

Also, apparently Pikachu got new first hitbox frames.
That guy posted in the mechanics thread talking about how Pika's landing lag was reduced on all his aerials from 1.0.4→1.0.5 and none of his numbers for either patch were remotely accurate, on top of them not changing at all in the first place.

Sometimes I just...
 
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Latte

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I haven't played Smash in awhile, so when I went on FG earlier today I got completely rekt. I think over half of my deaths were from me FWing incorrectly because of how ugly the 3DS's circle pad is.
@ L Latte your back it's been forever how's it been

#coffeepals
lurklurklurklurklurk I could've sworn I was invisible.

#Coffeepals
 

Lavani

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Is it going to do that thing of every 25th Mii you get to fight one of the other fighters instead? I obviously never got far enough to see it.
Pretty much.

I was trying to beat my old record of 44 KOs with Dedede (which was actually apparently from October 7, now I'm really ashamed I couldn't beat it) and I kept getting wrecked by Meta Knight and Mario showing up as the 25th fighters.

From what I've seen Mega Man is the best to get, he's prone to SDing with Leaf Shield.
 
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They should read stickied threads. They're the ones that need more focus.
Also, apparently Pikachu got new first hitbox frames.
^Another reason customs shouldn't be standard rules. He could have teched the stage to avoid death though.
3D is kinda a reason that there should be. You need to think top/high tier becoming broken tier and the complications that come about custom moves (most specifically banning specific customs)
 

Lavani

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Even then Dedede isn't really improved by his customs, they're all just sidegrades. A gimmicky kill setup that requires a stage with an FD-styled underside and an opponent that's going to willingly walk into a Dededecide at 0% and then miss a tech isn't exactly going to rocket him up from the bottom tiers or break the game in half.
 
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Ffamran

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^Another reason customs shouldn't be standard rules. He could have teched the stage to avoid death though.
If he could have reacted to it. Pretty much everyone can do this if they have an Up Special to do this like Mario's Super Jump Punch, Ike's Aether?, Marth's/Lucina's Dolphin Slash, etc. Ganondorf and Captain Falcon can use their Dives to send people into the ledge which is why you shouldn't be predictable when edgeguarding them. Or use something else like Sheik, Zelda, Falco, Samus, and basically anyone's Bair,
 
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That guy posted in the mechanics thread talking about how Pika's landing lag was reduced on all his aerials from 1.0.4→1.0.5 and none of his numbers for either patch were remotely accurate, on top of them not changing at all in the first place.

Sometimes I just...
Are they not accurate? I thought Pikachu was left unchanged in 1.0.5 but eh.
 
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Lavani

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You never fail to disappoint, good lord

I was going to point out that he's holding the bow the wrong way, but it actually makes the image better.


Are they not accurate? I thought Pikachu was left unchanged in 1.0.5 but eh.
Action | First frame
nair | 3f
fair | 10f
bair | 4f
uair | 4f
dair | 14f
grab | 6f
dash grab | 8f
pivot grab | 9f
 
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You never fail to disappoint, good lord

I was going to point out that he's holding the bow the wrong way, but it actually makes the image better.



Action | First frame
nair | 3f
fair | 10f
bair | 4f
uair | 4f
dair | 14f
grab | 6f
dash grab | 8f
pivot grab | 9f
ya ok that grab looks accurate now, does anyone have anything faster then 6f standing grab?
Yeah I knew it. Pika's unchanged.
ya know, we won't mind teaching ya how to read frame data (this way you can be ready to find the actual changes in the 1.0.5 even though there probably isn't any). I say this mainly because I enjoy the
phase everyone goes though learning to read frame data.

P.S. before anyone asks, yes it is a jontron kinda night
 

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ya know, we won't mind teaching ya how to read frame data (this way you can be ready to find the actual changes in the 1.0.5 even though there probably isn't any). I say this mainly because I enjoy the
phase everyone goes though learning to read frame data.

P.S. before anyone asks, yes it is a jontron kinda night
tell me how to master the ways of frames
inb4 my b
 
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Ffamran

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Greninja's tongue is so funny. The way it flaps around as he moves and his Utilt are just hilarious!
 

Lavani

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Dtaunt is the only taunt.

Actually I tend to just crouch and crawl backwards away from the ledge like a true sneak frog.

kinda like a 0 frame jab?
Well, 0f=1f and other jabs at or near that speed exist. You have to shielddrop to use something like that OoS too. A 3f grab would be twice as fast as the actual fastest grabs, and would be crazy fast for an OoS option that starts combos.
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Speaking of the frog, I'm labbing upB 3 to see if it's worth using.

I think there's some potential here, though I really hate that it makes his recovery linear.
 
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kinda like a 0 frame jab?

I'll add you to ongoing convo from a while back and add a couple links that should help
lol ok...
>mastercore
>complex stuff
I would understand more if there were simple numbers and no HitboxFrameComesIN??????=000002
 
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Can anyone help me? Right now I'm trying to photoshop a gif, and I want to make a part of a frame into separate layer, but it says I can't because no pixels were selected or something, even though I clearly lassoed part of the image. How can I get through this, or will I just have to place my images over the entire thing?
 

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I s2g someone needs to make a gif of Peach as a plane crashing onto her opponent with Fair xD Trust me, I believe she's in the top 15 or even top 10 characters. She's an amazing character that many people don't know about. I used to think she'd be low tier in this game, but she isn't at all.
 

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Have you sisters seen this? Zelda's clap is so calm and classy and Palutena? Does she even know how to clap? Also, I just noticed how large Falco's hands are. Dude could play the guitar or piano like a boss with his spindly, feathery fingers.

So this is a thing...

:4ness:<( Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhh.....
 

Lavani

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I just saw that video half an hour ago

I died at ROB

also 3131's kinda growing on me as a Greninja set, the spray reaches so far downward and has a lot of base knockback. It was just against a Fox CPU, but I got a 17% stagespike KO with it.
 
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I think I need a gif of Greninja clapping. His expression when doing it makes it look like he's doing sarcastic clapping towards someone who did or said something really dumb. I also like how he's the most normal among the Pokémon characters.

R.O.B just flat out killed me though.

I just saw that video half an hour ago

I died at ROB

also 3131's kinda growing on me as a Greninja set, the spray reaches so far downward and has a lot of base knockback. It was just against a Fox CPU, but I got a 17% stagespike KO with it.
Is it really worth messing with our recovery though? It makes Greninja always need to use Shadow Sneak for horizontal recovery and if he gets hit after Shadow Sneak he's likely going to go down. I don't remember how high he goes with that custom though.
 

Lavani

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Picked my 3DS up, noticed the stylus is missing.

I get the feeling I'm not going to see it again any time soon.

Is it really worth messing with our recovery though? It makes Greninja always need to use Shadow Sneak for horizontal recovery and if he gets hit after Shadow Sneak he's likely going to go down. I don't remember how high he goes with that custom though.
That was always my line of thinking, but it was a recent topic for the Rosalinas that their upB 2 which makes their recovery linear but faster could be preferable over the default. Granted Launch Star vs Hydro Pump is an apples to oranges comparison, but I think a long range downwards projectile + long fast vertical recovery could have niche use over the flexibility of the default.

Also it goes really high. Even on 3DS I'm taking magnifying glass damage off the top if I do it after a jump lol. Horizontal movement afterward isn't bad either.
 
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Ugh that was really boring, dances are the worst. Anyways I didn't go to the after party because it was like an hour away so **** that.
 

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Ugh that was really boring, dances are the worst. Anyways I didn't go to the after party because it was like an hour away so **** that.
So, it wasn't like this? :p


I hate dances and parties too.
 

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Picked my 3DS up, noticed the stylus is missing.

I get the feeling I'm not going to see it again any time soon.


That was always my line of thinking, but it was a recent topic for the Rosalinas that their upB 2 which makes their recovery linear but faster could be preferable over the default. Granted Launch Star vs Hydro Pump is an apples to oranges comparison, but I think a long range downwards projectile + long fast vertical recovery could have niche use over the flexibility of the default.

Also it goes really high. Even on 3DS I'm taking magnifying glass damage off the top if I do it after a jump lol. Horizontal movement afterward isn't bad either.
I just tried it myself, the recovery is not bad because of Greninja's good airspeed, the thing that surprised me the most is that it's actually a hitbox and not a windbox. While I could see some use for it, I think it would be a very niche thing. You can stage spike with it but if you're on a stage where that's harder to do, there's not much point to it.

It certainly has more use than I expected at least. Default still looks better all around due to just how much it can do. Plus losing Hydro Pump means Greninja loses a valuable on-stage tool and using Single Shot Pump on-stage is just going to get you dead.
 

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I feel like that applies to a lot of us here. I mean we are just chatting on a forum on Friday night, instead of going out
I should have not received likes for pointing out we are sad lonely people, go unlike that post :mad:
The struggle for Mario's up B 3 is real

17 classic mode runs and still nothing
wii u version? because if it is I find getting a character's individual customs best on trophy rush. I feel like 80% of the time the character I select is the one I find customs for. I however have no advice on getting the one last mystical custom, I myself trying to get Pit's 2 on his N Special, it's all I got left on him.

Edit: woo got it :p
 
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Lavani

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I just tried it myself, the recovery is not bad because of Greninja's good airspeed, the thing that surprised me the most is that it's actually a hitbox and not a windbox. While I could see some use for it, I think it would be a very niche thing. You can stage spike with it but if you're on a stage where that's harder to do, there's not much point to it.

It certainly has more use than I expected at least. Default still looks better all around due to just how much it can do. Plus losing Hydro Pump means Greninja loses a valuable on-stage tool and using Single Shot Pump on-stage is just going to get you dead.
The fact that it's a hitbox is why I'm looking into it. We still have four slots to fill for the custom moveset project, and I'm pretty sure this and Stagnant Shuriken are our only usable customs remaining...and I'm not really a believer in Stagnant.

I agree that SSP is overall worse than the default Hydro Pump, but doing stuff like this is just so good:



And honestly it doesn't need to stagespike to gimp/kill successfully, I was hitting Fox far enough away from the stage to prevent recovery quite easily with it.
 
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