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ROB is easily my most hated match up of this game. I find him incredibly hard to approach/attack with anyone because of his safe options(freaking Side B and Down Smash are annoying and Side Special can REFLECT PROJECTILES) and weird projectile (you can't even grab the Gyro top without getting hit, come on), and incredibly powerful Aerials, aswell as him using Laser out of nowhere IMO. He feels like the bane of my existence in this game. I have yet to try to fight him with Ness or Lucario, as they generally seem to be my best characters for match ups like this.Past first round in the 34 man online tourney. Lucky for me, it was a ROB.
And as I said earlier, I can beat him no problem, for some reason. c:
Uh...hm. The SS won't interrupt your dash/run if you do running SS correctly, it's a seamless transition. Example. If you do it wrong he should just skid then walk.I'm trying that now. He still seems to hesitate right before doing the SS, and at times I'm not certain whether I did it successfully or not.
The Platform Cancel SS isn't tooo hard, but it takes some practice, and I still haven't gotten it down consistently yet.
I thought Shulks just got a better counter out of it@ Lavani
Wtf you're missing Shulk. He becomes really amazing with customs but he's actually not that amazing with customs because he doesn't benefit much from his meh SIDE B AND UP B customs. HI
Yeah, though for best custom moves I would definitely have Luma Warp and Shooting Star Bit listed. Even if Rosalina doesn't comparatively get better in a customs environment, those two customs are ****ing nuts.Well, the best custom moves and who benefits the most can very different things.
Who benefits the most from customs in terms of improvement relative to their position w/o customs:
Best custom moves:Super Speed, Exploding Balloon Trip, Timber Counter, Storm Punch, Jumbo Hoops, Lightweight, Snaring Aura Sphere, Dense Charge Shot, Enriched SunSal, Chain Judge, etc.
You get what I mean?
Ike's and Palutena's counters are actually pretty similar, except Palutena's does more damage (actually does more damage than every counter except sweetspot Vision) and starts a bit faster iirc.I figured Palutena's was the worst. Sure it has that range, but it can't KO well at all, or do that much damage, so i find it kind of useless, lol.
Anyway, i'll keep those in mind, i didn't figure i could use them like that though, definitely interested. I'll keep it in mind when im fighting my friends online. : 3
Character | Counter Frames | Invincible | Base Damage | Damage Multiplier | KBG | BKB
Palutena | 10-31f | 10-16f | 10% | x1.3 | 75, 65 | 40, 20
Ike | 09-35f | 09-16f | 09% | x1.2 | 74 | 48
Greninja | 08-29f | 08-18f | 14%, 13%, or 11% | No scaling | 100, 72 | 62, 50
Marth/Lucina | 03-16f | No invuln | 08% | x1.2 | 60 | 90
Little Mac | 04-20f | No invuln | 10% | x1.3 | 50 | 90
Lucario | 05-40f |No invuln | 11% | No scaling | 108 | 60
Shulk | 07-??f | No invuln | 13%, 10% or 7% | x1.3 | 94, 84, 84 | 70
Late reply, but people call me Ffam or Fam which sounds kind of ghetto, especially considering the stereotype about Falco mains.Spi-Reserved-rst
Tbh I don't get why people default to the nickname "BJ" for me. I mean this is EZ retort bait, but is it really that hard to type all of my username? LOL
Of course the only person who'd come here that I've ever mentioned that preference was @kyokoro_pamuyo so I didn't expect any of you to type my full username.
Well then, what would you preferably be called then? Just Ffamran?Late reply, but people call me Ffam or Fam which sounds kind of ghetto, especially considering the stereotype about Falco mains.
Chain Judge is more reliable in damage racking, 9 only kills slightly later, and most notably, you don't hurt yourself when you draw 1.Yeah, though for best custom moves I would definitely have Luma Warp and Shooting Star Bit listed. Even if Rosalina doesn't comparatively get better in a customs environment, those two customs are ****ing nuts.
I'm also still bleh about saying Miis get better with customs on because they have access to everything with customs OFF anyway, western rulesets are so dumb.
What's Chain Judge do for G&W over default?:
Who are you using?GORLS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ACCOMPLISHED I FEEL. First time I won a winner's set. Because this is my second tourney. XD
And no, I won't go full ****** and switch to Diddy.
Of course our queen. :^)Who are you using?
We'll only get better when Mewtwo comes out.If customs were legalized, Zelda wouldn't be the worst character in the game anymore. :^)
Eh, I'd have to dig back to 3DS tournaments to find stuff, and even then it would only really show off Shooting Star Bit (Luma Warp wasn't looked into as much until later).I don't really know much about Rosa's customs, so I'll take your word for it. Got any good videos of them in action though?
Are you implying Mewtwo is going to retake his position as bottom of the tier list again? @__________________@ /sarcasm.We'll only get better when Mewtwo comes out.
Call me...Well then, what would you preferably be called then? Just Ffamran?
Well, to be fair it's still pretty slow to actually attack. I agree though, despite all the hate it got early on it's easily one of my favorite counters.It's funny that before Substitute was considered pretty much useless and now I feel it's probably only behind Shulk's in usefulness. It kills very early, can be used as a escape measure and hell, it can even be used to either counter a potential gimp or as a recovery tool. It's funny how underrated it was at first.
sonic 2 is the best sonic game, you're playing a sanic game. get it rightColors is the best Sonic game. I like it more than Generations just for how much variety the wisps bring to the gameplay. Also it's probably the only time ever my favorite stage was the water one. Though Starlight Carnival is such eye candy.
Also hi guys, I'm back from spending 70% of the afternoon in bed
send me, that profile pic now plsYeah you should ditch the Sonic fanbase & become a Leffen fangirl like me :3
the feet though, not actually a counter argument I just like yoshi's dairShield. His grab is terrible, his throws are terrible, shield beats all his threatening options. Be wary of your shield health around dair and downB, but Yoshi generally struggles to do meaningful things against shields...and if he starts whiffing his terrible grab he's going to get punished hard.
basic tips, probably not helpful but oh well I tried
I have a love/hate thing with Substitute. At times, I'll see the move come out, and yet I get hit anyway, or I miss them. And by "missing them" I don't mean in the sense that I tried to Substitute on like, a dash attack.It's funny that before Substitute was considered pretty much useless and now I feel it's probably only behind Shulk's in usefulness. It kills very early, can be used as a escape measure and hell, it can even be used to either counter a potential gimp or as a recovery tool. It's funny how underrated it was at first.
send me, that profile pic now pls
fixed itDr Mario haves great customs too,Soaring Cyclone is ridiculously good xP and is mashable
Lol, sounds like Diddy Kong before everyone began realizing he was one of the current High tier characters..It's funny that before Substitute was considered pretty much useless and now I feel it's probably only behind Shulk's in usefulness. It kills very early, can be used as a escape measure and hell, it can even be used to either counter a potential gimp or as a recovery tool. It's funny how underrated it was at first.
I'm pretty sure I've used Substitute to punish Charizard's Up-Smash when it tried to catch my landing before, but yeah, they should've made so that Greninja is invincible during the first few frames of the attack so he couldn't be hit out of it.I have a love/hate thing with Substitute. At times, I'll see the move come out, and yet I get hit anyway, or I miss them. And by "missing them" I don't mean in the sense that I tried to Substitute on like, a dash attack.
Moves with repeating hits, such as Charizard's Upsmash is annoying. I'll see my pop out, but then I get hit by the remaining hits of the move.
It's slow but against character with moves with very little end lag such as Sheik, I guess Substitute could be used to get away and get some breathing room. It's my favorite counter as well, because it's a very unique counter in execution and is very versatile as well.Well, to be fair it's still pretty slow to actually attack. I agree though, despite all the hate it got early on it's easily one of my favorite counters.
Maybe I got hit because I angled it down. Will try aiming it up or to the sides next time if I'm feeling bold.I'm pretty sure I've used Substitute to punish Charizard's Up-Smash when it tried to catch my landing before, but yeah, they should've made so that Greninja is invincible during the first few frames of the attack so he couldn't be hit out of it.
It's slow but against character with moves with very little end lag such as Sheik, I guess Substitute could be used to get away and get some breathing room. It's my favorite counter as well, because it's a very unique counter in execution and is very versatile as well.
One day I'm going to catch someone trying to edgeguard me with a backwards Substitute and KO them for their arrogance, it shall be glorious even if it has a high chance of failure.
Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou or Daily Lives of High School Boys in English. It's hilarious; they even have a skit about Dragon Quest.Lol, nice pic. What anime's it from? : P
And ok then, Doc, i'll keep that in mind. : 3
jesus christ I didn't even know about thisDoesn't Greninja have a counter that shieldbreaks?
That must be the painfully slow Substitute custom. It might shieldbreak, but honestly I think it would be very easy to just move out of the way, the only way I can see for anyone to get hit by it is if they trigger the counter with Rest.Doesn't Greninja have a counter that shieldbreaks?
More like learning about everyone's secrets from the Zelda Social. Let's see, we talked about Falco, Ike, Zelda, Greninja, Kirby?, Shulk, Dr. Mario, Triple D, Palutena, and others I'm probably missing. The Zelda Social is like an underground lab. Now all we need is some sick underground beats.jesus christ I didn't even know about this
learning greninja secrets from the zelda social
gib mi some pit tech thenMore like learning about everyone's secrets from the Zelda Social. Let's see, we talked about Falco, Ike, Zelda, Greninja, Kirby?, Shulk, Dr. Mario, Triple D, Palutena, and others I'm probably missing. The Zelda Social is like an underground lab. Now all we need is some sick underground beats.
NekoJubei, please do not double post. Just use the "Edit" button to edit your previous post. Next time will result in a warning so please keep that in mind.Imagine if pikachu had a custom up b that does three quick attacks but don't have much range oooooh...too bad it doesn't :<
Also Zelda and Villager make a pretty good team ;D Villager can set up it's tree while Zelda does din's fires and stuff hell,if you have time let the villager cut the tree near Zelda so that she can deflect it and let the villager pocket the tree and we all know that a pocketed Tree is a KO
I really wanna try out Zelda in doubles xD my secondary is Zelda but I don't have a partner :/
Didn't Lavani show us that Upperdash/Electroshock slide thing a while back?gib mi some pit tech then
That and it's laggy as hell after the fact too. Can't combo off it, I think Greninja might even have frame disadvantage on hit if he doesn't kill with it.That must be the painfully slow Substitute custom. It might shieldbreak, but honestly I think it would be very easy to just move out of the way, the only way I can see for anyone to get hit by it is if they trigger the counter with Rest.
Lavani already said the stuff about her insane Luma warp combos and 5% Falco lasers, but I can talk about up b and down b:Chain Judge is more reliable in damage racking, 9 only kills slightly later, and most notably, you don't hurt yourself when you draw 1.
I don't really know much about Rosa's customs, so I'll take your word for it. Got any good videos of them in action though?
Funny storyDoesn't Greninja have a counter that shieldbreaks?
Sorry haha I write alot ill keep in mind next time xPNekoJubei, please do not double post. Just use the "Edit" button to edit your previous post. Next time will result in a warning so please keep that in mind.
And to keep on topic...
Hello Zelda mains. Any raids lately?