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[Lavani]

Imo the bottom 15 are

I can't see these guys anywhere near the bottom. DK's currently the best of the heavies, Wario's different from Brawl but still really good (especially when people are adopting 2 stock for Smash 4 and he has the Waft; that's a lot of low-risk swing power for such short games). Meta Knight has top tier combo and punish games, his only real issue is annoying amounts of end lag on certain things. And Gunner I can't say much about but the character has ridiculous zoning, decent kill power, and a lot of interesting gimmicks. Also a crazy good fair.

wow idk if i've ever seen marth in the bottom 11 before. and i forgot about mii swordsman and ganondorf lol.
i'd actually agree with wii fit being better than most of those. Little Mac, Marth, and Falco are kind of undecided for me, hence why I omitted them.
So why do people think Falco is so bad? imo he's not bottom 10. he's probably low, though.

edit: my bottom 15 is probably like (//) no order tho
at about 12-13 i kinda had no idea who else to add.

Marth's numbers are bad in this game. Worse frame data, worse reward on hit. Tipper fsmash is godly, but it's still a huge commitment that requires precision and is on an otherwise eh moveset (*coughmeleezeldacough*). He doesn't really get ruined by anyone, he just isn't what he used to be.

I think Mac still has potential to be higher. Mac's onstage game is honestly ridiculous. I've just had that feeling since 1.0.4 that he lost reward for the level of risk he inherently has, but tbh less damage on rapid jab and a worse sideB when upB was usually the better recovery move anyway really don't change much.

Falco's blaster, for the first time ever, isn't a very good projectile. He also lacks the mobility to approach well, and doesn't really do much that's remarkable to compensate either of these things. Damage per hit is good though, and he has decent combos...apparently. I still haven't seen it applied in high-level matches, so I'm not a believer yet.

I also hugely disagree with Pac-Man being anywhere near the bottom half of the cast, but I can't speak about the character confidently enough to defend him. I'll just say he's an incredibly deep and complex character that has tools to handle pretty much everything not named Rosalina, and you can just learn a pocket character for that matchup (seriously, where was Abadango's Wario at Apex???)

Charizard is great.

Maybe. I've been trying to figure out since release if he's the best or the worst heavy and I still can't decide.

But I dislike Charizard so I'm going with worst until proven otherwise.

 

[Lorde]

I also hugely disagree with Pac-Man being anywhere near the bottom half of the cast, but I can't speak about the character confidently enough to defend him. I'll just say he's an incredibly deep and complex character that has tools to handle pretty much everything not named Rosalina.

I'll probably address the rest of your post later when I have time, but I just wanted to say that after Palutena, I had no idea who to put. I just really really hate Pac Man in this game so I threw him in. I do know he's probs not bottom 15 but he still feels meh to me.

Idk why I even hate him so much. #bias

 

[Lavani]

I'll probably address the rest of your post later when I have time, but I just wanted to say that after Palutena, I had no idea who to put. I just really really hate Pac Man in this game so I threw him in. I do know he's probs not bottom 15 but he still feels meh to me.

Idk why I even hate him so much. #bias

Ironically he was the newcomer I was least thrilled about at release, and now he's my favorite character to watch.

I want to believe Palutena's better than bottom 15 but then I looked at my own list and saw I had her exactly 15 off the bottom so welp.

I'm delivering mail

I put a letter into the letterbox

A giant spider comes out to greet me

/Deardiary

Just another day in Australia, eh?

 

[Farorae]

Is it just me or is Samus' dsmash really stylish looking? love the look I remember thinking that too in melee, but I forgot how it looks in brawl and I never played 64 so idk about in those games.
/random thought

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Is it just me or is Samus' dsmash really stylish looking? love the look I remember thinking that too in melee, but I forgot how it looks in brawl and I never played 64 so idk about in those games.
/random thought

It looks cool when you hit with it but it literally doesn't kill until like 180 lol #BrawlSamus

 

[Fernosaur]

I'm delivering mail

I put a letter into the letterbox

A giant spider comes out to greet me

/Deardiary

Jokes aside, though, my bf and I are looking to actually migrate to Australia for at least a couple of years. I know everyone's scared of random blue ring octopi coming out of your cereal but I also find the super dangerous fauna so THRILLING.

The bad thing is that I'm super imprudent whenever I'm close to wild animals. Like, pet the lion imprudent. The day I set foot in Australia will be the day of my death, I assure you.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Pls come to Australia, the animals aren't really that bad.

Unless you're rural.

 

[Lavani]

Pls come to Australia, the animals aren't really that bad.

Unless you're rural.

you nearly got eaten by a spider i ain't goin anywhere near that ****

 

[KuroganeHammer]

you nearly got eaten by a spider i ain't goin anywhere near that ****

It was only the size of my hand

 

[Lavani]

It was only the size of my hand

oh god that's even bigger than i thought NOPE NOPE NOPE

 

[Farorae]

It looks cool when you hit with it but it literally doesn't kill until like 180 lol #BrawlSamus

I always thought that if someone's smash attack wasn't killing at atleast like 115% it should probably be fixed /shrug at least Melee's is decent

 

[2004Zilla]

Is it Australia or Iraq that houses the dreaded Camel Spider?

 

[Macchiato]

Here's my personal opinionated tier list

S
A
B
C
D

Waits for hate

 

[Spirst]

Is it Australia or Iraq that houses the dreaded Camel Spider?

Iraq. Though a lot of the talk surrounding the species is based on urban legend. One funny one is that they supposedly run at like 30 MPH? Good thing that's not true though since I would **** my pants.

 

[Lavani]

Toon Link #11 is interesting

 

[Nammy12]

Toon Link #11 is interesting

Zelda at B tier is even more interesting.

 

[Cenizas]

Here's my personal opinionated tier list

S
A
B
C
D

Waits for hate

This is w/o customs right? Cuz otherwise you be trippin if you think Villager and seaweed hair are the that low. Also, Kirby is missing.

 

[Spirst]

Toon Link #11 is interesting

Nice attempt at steering the conversation away from spiders so you don't have trouble sleeping tonight.

I'm watching you Lavani.


But yeah, Toon Link 11 and Charizard last. Zelda in B, Robin above Mega Man...

Classic Macchiato.

 

[Macchiato]

This is w/o customs right? Cuz otherwise you be trippin if you think Villager and seaweed hair are the that low. Also, Kirby is missing.

Yeah no customs

Zelda at B tier is even more interesting.

how it's not surprising at all

 

[KuroganeHammer]

The only dangerous spiders we have here are funnel web species and redbacks.

Huntsman can be dangerous, but for different reasons. Mainly that they get a bit lost and jump at people in cars/run really fast.

Also the orbweaver spider tends to be very aggressive but its venom isn't very strong.

 

[Lavani]

Zelda at B tier is even more interesting.

I think Toon Link #11 is more interesting because it's more surprising to me and not an opinion I've seen before

Nobody actually talks about Toon Link

Manzoku's Toon Link is pretty good

Nice attempt at steering the conversation away from spiders so you don't have trouble sleeping tonight.

I have trouble sleeping every night, this isn't anything new.

 

[Fernosaur]

Pls come to Australia, the animals aren't really that bad.

Unless you're rural.

Belive me I WANT TO but paperwork is super nefarious :/.

I might go as a trip next year, though!

(And yeah I know the animals aren't as bad as people say, I have a lot of friends in Australia, actually!)

Where exactly do you live? I still dunno which cities are probable for us to move down to, but we might end up being neighbours or something

Is it Australia or Iraq that houses the dreaded Camel Spider?

It's the Middle East, yeah. I think it was Afghanistan, though?

Also

@ Lavani

 

[Nammy12]

I think Toon Link #11 is more interesting because it's more surprising to me and not an opinion I've seen before

Nobody actually talks about Toon Link

Manzoku's Toon Link is pretty good


I have trouble sleeping every night, this isn't anything new.

Is there a reason to pick toon link over regular link?

 

[2004Zilla]

Nice attempt at steering the conversation away from spiders so you don't have trouble sleeping tonight.

I'm watching you Lavani.


But yeah, Toon Link 11 and Charizard last. Zelda in B, Robin above Mega Man...

Classic Macchiato.

Oh **** I almost pissed myself.

 

[Lavani]

Is there a reason to pick toon link over regular link?

His frame data and recovery are better, and his bthrow is surprisingly one of the stronger kill throws (top 5 in power I think?). On the gimmicky side of things his dsmash can 0-death Little Mac.

I don't know much about the character beyond that, I'll just say again that Manzoku's Toon Link is pretty good.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

@ Fernosaur

I live on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland.

 

[Spirst]

Toon Link is one of those characters that when versing, feels like trying to swat a mosquito.

Still not Sonic though so that's good.

 

[Fernosaur]

His frame data and recovery are better, and his bthrow is surprisingly one of the stronger kill throws (top 5 in power I think?). On the gimmicky side of things his dsmash can 0-death Little Mac.

I don't know much about the character beyond that, I'll just say again that Manzoku's Toon Link is pretty good.

Campy Tinks.

My ****ing favorite.

 

[Shrokatii]

His frame data and recovery are better, and his bthrow is surprisingly one of the stronger kill throws (top 5 in power I think?). On the gimmicky side of things his dsmash can 0-death Little Mac.

I don't know much about the character beyond that, I'll just say again that Manzoku's Toon Link is pretty good.

Hm... I've been playing Toon Link a bit lately. This is good stuff. Anyone got any tips on him, or is my best luck just the Tink boards. Obviously I'll get more info there, but anything worthwhile is good.

 

[Macchiato]

Campy Tinks.

My ****ing favorite.

Like me in out matches lol

 

[Fireemblemfreak]

It was only the size of my hand

ONLY. r.i.p.

Btw, about the low tier characters thing, I think it all comes down to usage. I hardly ever see used at all. I think all of them could be potentially mid tier at least, because some counter higher tier characters like someone mentioned before. Just a lot of top players don't want to take the risk and or don't like to broaden their horizons. (either that or bad matchup but you get the point)

Edit: whoever ****ing posted that picture of a spider deserves to die. I hate you. <3

 

[Fernosaur]

Toon Link is one of those characters that when versing, feels like trying to swat a mosquito.

Still not Sonic though so that's good.

EXACTLY THIS.

@ Fernosaur

I live on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland.

No idea where that is hahaha, but I'll look it up when we start getting things sorted out. It's still just a plan anyways :/.

Well, part of a plan....

Like 12%

 

[2004Zilla]

@ Fernosaur This was found on one of the cameras on the Jurassic World website.

JP3 raptors!?

Edit: whoever ****ing posted that picture of a spider deserves to die. I hate you. <3

I'm scared to scroll up.

I'm not kidding.

 

[Lavani]

I guess I've posted the bottom third of my list a couple of times now, may as well post the full thing while it's still a topic.

Customization off, full customization allowed for Miis (because this is allowed with customization off and the people running tournaments that restrict it are dumb):

S:
A:
B:
C:

Past like...Captain Falcon it gets hard to rank characters just due to lack of representation, even I think my own list is kind of BS past a point but oh well. Not like anyone can expect accurate tiers this early in the game's life anyway, I just like having my thoughts documented as things progress.

 

[Fireemblemfreak]

@ Fernosaur This was found on one of the cameras on the Jurassic World website.

JP3 raptors!?


I'm scared to scroll up.

I'm not kidding.

I didn't do anything to deserve this. ;( Run while you can

I decided to sign up for that online tournament because I can, and now I'm scared @ Macchiato

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I'll post my tier list when done with work

 

[Farorae]

Totally legitimate tier list:
SS:
S :
A:
B:
C:
D:
E:
F:
Z:

 

[Lavani]

Totally legitimate tier list:
SS:
S :
A:
B:
C:
D:
E:
F:
Z:

isn't that your waifu tier list

 

[Farorae]

isn't that your waifu tier list

If only...

 

[2004Zilla]

is SS Tier When she's a ninja

is -Z Tier