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Aside from his giant flappy hands, I think it's that out of all the sages -- pretty sure they're sages --, he is the only one that doesn't reference a sage from any of the past Zelda games. Daruk is Darunia, Mipha is Ruto, and Urbosa is Nabooru. Revali? He's Falco.
The divine beasts are supposed to be references to past Zelda characters, not the champions.
  • Ruta=Ruto
  • Naboris=Nabooru
  • Medoh=Medli
  • Rudania=Darunia
I think the champions are just new characters, but they may have some reference to another character. (Or maybe it was something similar to the beast was a reference in name and the champion was a reference in appearance? idk)
But if Revali wasn't made with Falco in mind then this is a bigger derp than the Eggman reference in Bayo 1 that Sega didn't even realize.
 

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1st:TSM ZeRo (:4diddy:). 2nd:Elevate Mr.R(:4cloud::4sheik:) 3rd:NRG Nairo(:4zss::4lucina:) 4th:RNG Dabuz(:rosalina:) 5th:pG ESAM(:4pikachu:) +Samsoraj(:4peach:) 7th:Denial Marss(:4zss:)+CLG VoiD(:4sheik:).
Opinions:Good tournament. It was nice to see a tournament where most of the top players stayed consistent after the craziness of Civil War. My favourite set was Samsora vs VoiD
 

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Morning girls. How's everyone doing? :4zelda:

Shame I couldn't watch the rest of CEO Dreamland Top 8 since their internet went down. But I'm proud of how far Samsora and Raito got with Peach and Duck Hunt respectively. Good on you.

1st: TSM ZeRo (:4diddy:). 2nd: Elevate Mr.R(:4cloud::4sheik:) 3rd: NRG Nairo(:4zss::4lucina:) 4th: RNG Dabuz(:rosalina:) 5th: PG ESAM(:4pikachu:) + Samsoraj(:4peach:) 7th: Denial Marss(:4zss:) + CLG VoiD(:4sheik:).
Opinions:Good tournament. It was nice to see a tournament where most of the top players stayed consistent after the craziness of Civil War. My favourite set was Samsora vs VoiD

*Sees what the GF Results are*
Meh. Highlights for me were Raito and Samsora's performances. I do wish Samsora reached Top 3 though. That would've been hype.


 

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Morning girls. How's everyone doing? :4zelda:

Shame I couldn't watch the rest of CEO Dreamland Top 8 since their internet went down. But I'm proud of how far Samsora and Raito got with Peach and Duck Hunt respectively. Good on you.




*Sees what the GF Results are*
Meh. Highlights for me were Raito and Samsora's performances. I do wish Samsora reached Top 3 though. That would've been hype.
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Yeah. It wasn't a bad tournament by any means, it just was that there was a lot of expected outcomes. Melee was fantastic on the other hand. SFAT defeated HBox in Winner's Semifinals, and then defeated M2K in Winners Finals. M2K managed to clutch it out in a close set against HBox and then 6-1ed SFAT.
Oh, by the way:
 

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Yeah. It wasn't a bad tournament by any means, it just was that there was a lot of expected outcomes. Melee was fantastic on the other hand. SFAT defeated HBox in Winner's Semifinals, and then defeated M2K in Winners Finals. M2K managed to clutch it out in a close set against HBox and then 6-1ed SFAT.
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Yeah. I didn't know Plup had a Luigi.

I guess I'm mainly disappointed by how the results of Grand Finals went for Smash 4. But who knows, we might see some hype stuff happen at the next major.
 

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Lame summon, as usual :c
They did, however, let me get the last feathers I needed to upgrade my Corrin to 5 Stars :D
He's +Spd/-Res which is basically perfect.
The plan is to give him Darting Blow and Desperation. I can upgrade a 3 Star Florida I have to give him Darting Blow 3, but as for Desperation, I'd have to wait to either summon a Shanna at 4 Stars, or I could give up my 5 Star Karel. I haven't really done much with him other than get him to Level 40, but idk, it seems kinda like a waste to give up a 5 Star unit. What do you gorls think?
 
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OH! I remember playing those as a kid. And Spy Fox and Freddie the Fish. Wasn't there also this one with a purple car? Also, something with green aliens and math. I think Lucahjin did LPs of Freddie the Fish and the purple car one. Not sure about Spy Fox or Reader Rabbit which I don't think is on Steam.
Put Put was the stuff! Can't really remember the green aliens and math one, but it sounds kinda familiar. If I have kids, I'm forcing them play old educational computer games.
Lame summon, as usual :c
They did, however, let me get the last feathers I needed to upgrade my Corrin to 5 Stars :D
He's +Spd/-Res which is basically perfect.
The plan is to give him Darting Blow and Desperation. I can upgrade a 3 Star Florida I have to give him Darting Blow 3, but as for Desperation, I'd have to wait to either summon a Shanna at 4 Stars, or I could give up my 5 Star Karel. I haven't really done much with him other than get him to Level 40, but idk, it seems kinda like a waste to give up a 5 Star unit. What do you gorls think?
Not as bad as an all 3-star summon or a 1 4-star summon ;-;
 

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Wait, how does the arena mode work? I got 7 wins in a row, but then it reset my streak, so I don't gain any points when I win now. Should I be using one of the bonus heroes or something?
 

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Wait, how does the arena mode work? I got 7 wins in a row, but then it reset my streak, so I don't gain any points when I win now. Should I be using one of the bonus heroes or something?
It takes the highest score you earn. If you got a lower score than before, then it doesn't update the points. So like, if you score 3,000 points in your first streak, then score 3,500 in your second, you'll then have 3,500 points. On your third streak, if you earn only 3,000, you'll stay at 3,500.

So yeah, you always want at least one bonus hero to maximize the points you get.
 
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I somehow managed 3 defense wins -- the most I've seen -- with my rag-tag arena defense team of Selena, F!Corrin, Oboro, and F!Robin. Only Oboro has an inherited skill. None of them are 5* either. What is going on? I assembled them haphazardly; need a red, blue, green, and I guess another one can be blue.

Oh, and the fliers quests were pretty easy. Just wished I had another sword flyer, a high resistance green flyer, and a high resistance blue flyer (leveled up). Man, they really should introduce another sword flyer since they number the lowest compared to the other flyers. Maybe a flying archer too... Aversa needs to be a future grand hero unit. Flying red mage of doom! :p
 
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I have 2 5* Karels with trash IVs, and I still don't have anyone to give the Wo Daos to :'(

I'm pretty sure I have a +spd -atk one, so maybe I'll actually train him up one day and give him Fury 3 or something to make up for the atk bane

edit: nvm he's not even +spd
that means he'll get sacrificed to Palla or something
 
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Yeah that's what's discouraging me from poofing him. Who would like Wo Dao + though?
Selena. Wo Dao+ and Moonbow are her saving graces to her low base attack.

Otherwise, but you'll need to look into this a bit more, units who can pull off the Wall of Fire/Ice and Sharp Things that are sword units since Killing Edge and Bonfire is a bit inferior, but not as inferior as Killer Axe and Bonfire to Hauteclare and Bonfire. Killer Bow and Lance are safe... for now.
 
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Btw Lorde Lorde , how's Yooka Laylee?

Since I've heard mixed opinions about it. Tom Fawkes and The Completionist love it, but Dunkey thinks it's not that good. What're your thoughts about it?
 

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Yeah. I didn't know Plup had a Luigi.

I guess I'm mainly disappointed by how the results of Grand Finals went for Smash 4. But who knows, we might see some hype stuff happen at the next major.
Now that I think about it, when is the next major? The next event I know of is Greninja Saga, and that's the 20th of May...
Welp, looks like we'll be waiting for a while.
 

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I got Setsuna! But she's -Atk, +Res. Game... why? ;_;

Huh, apparently I can't upload images. Whatever. The others are in the below spoiler.

Arthur is +HP, -Spd. Skill fodder.

Barst is +HP, -Def. Meh, Brave Axe and Reposition fodder. Hmm... Maybe Niles and Virion would want Reposition.

Matthew is +Def, -HP. Eh... Yeah... Reciprocal Aid or Home Speed fodder.

Palla is +Def, -HP, the same as my first Palla who is also a 4*. I guess I'll use her for Goad Fliers or something...

Edit: Aw yeah! Page steal. It shall be dedicated to the derpy archer that has eluded me for so long.
 
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I somehow managed 3 defense wins -- the most I've seen -- with my rag-tag arena defense team of Selena, F!Corrin, Oboro, and F!Robin. Only Oboro has an inherited skill. None of them are 5* either. What is going on? I assembled them haphazardly; need a red, blue, green, and I guess another one can be blue.
Arena pits you up against similar teams, so the people that lost to your team were (for the most part) similar to yours in terms of stars, level, inherited skills, etc.

For arena defense, you don't really want a balanced team. Go full-on cheese for some good wins.
Yeah that's what's discouraging me from poofing him. Who would like Wo Dao + though?
Any fast sword user that doesn't have a legendary weapon. Most notable one I can think of is Hana.
 

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Arena pits you up against similar teams, so the people that lost to your team were (for the most part) similar to yours in terms of stars, level, inherited skills, etc.

For arena defense, you don't really want a balanced team. Go full-on cheese for some good wins.

Any fast sword user that doesn't have a legendary weapon. Most notable one I can think of is Hana.
Well, I guess I cheesed it with high defense units. :p

Hana might prefer Brave Sword and Escutcheon for survival by being incredibly offensive, though. Same with Lon'qu and Navarre.

Anyway, screw it. Setsuna is getting Luna to make up for her crap attack now. I will make Setsuna (and Rebecca) the best that I can. Speaking of which, Rebecca sounds like she's from Minnesota, Wisconsin, whatever Midwest state for some reason. Stereotype aside, one of her poke quotes has her saying "don't you know it" and it sounds so Midwestern-y to me.
 

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Well I already have 5 Star Marth and Corrin, so I dunno if I'd really need to invest in more sword units. Selena and Hana aren't all that interesting to me, I'd sooner just give someone else their skills
 
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Burgundy Burgundy , if you want, I can ask on Serene's Forest for you.
That'd be nice
Oh, and I also have both 3 and 4 Star Navarre. I'd only get up to Desperation 2 though.
Either way, I'm gonna focus on getting him Darting Blow first
 

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That'd be nice
Oh, and I also have both 3 and 4 Star Navarre. I'd only get up to Desperation 2 though.
Either way, I'm gonna focus on getting him Darting Blow first
I'm gonna have to wait since I don't want to double post there.

Do you have a spare 3* Shanna, though? It'll cost 2k feathers, but you'll get a full set of Desperation. Desperation is useful on high speed, low defenses units like Gaius, Hana, Lon'qu, Lucina, Navarre, Raven, and Shanna. It won't work if you can't double in the first place. Corrin of them for that matter, are pretty balanced with F!Corrin being physically tankier. You could use Ardent Sacrifice or Reciprocal Aid to drop down to Desperation's threshold, though, which can bypass needing to take as much damage or taking damage in general.

Edit: Setsuna is hilarious.
 
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wouldn't it be brown plaid if it were a sherlock homage, though?
Brown wouldn't really look nice in the initial black dress though, and the plaid + the inexplicable hat is probably enough.

It's equally possible to deliberately looking like a flying squirrel, is what I'm saying. It's that kind of show.

Selena. Wo Dao+ and Moonbow are her saving graces to her low base attack.
That's what I'm planning on doing with a Selena at some point.

Though I'd argue her saving grace for her low base attack is literally everything else about her. Great defenses on both sides along with her 32 speed, and laughs in the face of every green unit currently in the game, and probably ever to be released.

Throw a Selena with desperation 3 on her at a team of 4 Hectors and I don't think she'll even be damaged enough to activate it by the time she's cleaned house.

Yeah that's what's discouraging me from poofing him. Who would like Wo Dao + though?
You can think of it basically as a better Killing Edge. So anyone who you would want to have one of those.

I guess I'm mainly disappointed by how the results of Grand Finals went for Smash 4. But who knows, we might see some hype stuff happen at the next major.
Smash 4 is better when Zero doesn't enter (Pound) or just drowns early on (Civil War), to be honest. ESAM, Captain Zack, Raito, Scatt, and Dabuz were fun to watch though.

Now that I think about it, when is the next major? The next event I know of is Greninja Saga, and that's the 20th of May...
Welp, looks like we'll be waiting for a while.
More like waiting about a week.

Dreamhack Austin, April 28th-30th for both.
Umebura Japan in Tokyo, it's being cosponsored with MVG League and will have an english commentary stream, May 6th-7th, Wii U.
Royal Flush in New Jersey, May 12-14th for both.

It is Smash after all. Weekly majors and corresponding player burnout is more our problems. Honestly, I can't remember the last time there was more than three weeks between some two major events in the US, and those typically involved big events elsewhere in Europe or something in the interim. In Smash 4 you lose the European scenes but gain the Mexican and Japanese scenes, so it functions basically the same.
 
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That's what I'm planning on doing with a Selena at some point.

Though I'd argue her saving grace for her low base attack is literally everything else about her. Great defenses on both sides along with her 32 speed, and laughs in the face of every green unit currently in the game, and probably ever to be released.

Throw a Selena with desperation 3 on her at a team of 4 Hectors and I don't think she'll even be damaged enough to activate it by the time she's cleaned house.

You can think of it basically as a better Killing Edge. So anyone who you would want to have one of those.
I meant specifically that those would save her attack. Her other stats spread are arguably one of the best which Eirika, Subaki, and others share usually at the cost of low attack which they (can) overcome in some way. Flipside would be slow, but high other stats units who just need Quick Riposte or a -breaker skill to demolish everything like Michalis.

Just sucks that Killing Edge is pretty useless. Gonna give it to a Hinata, though to make him a Wall of Fire and Sharp Things. That and he's a samurai, so a Killing Edge would be appropriate.
 
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I'm gonna have to wait since I don't want to double post there.

Do you have a spare 3* Shanna, though? It'll cost 2k feathers, but you'll get a full set of Desperation. Desperation is useful on high speed, low defenses units like Gaius, Hana, Lon'qu, Lucina, Navarre, Raven, and Shanna. It won't work if you can't double in the first place. Corrin of them for that matter, are pretty balanced with F!Corrin being physically tankier. You could use Ardent Sacrifice or Reciprocal Aid to drop down to Desperation's threshold, though, which can bypass needing to take as much damage or taking damage in general.

Edit: Setsuna is hilarious.
According to my Hero Merit list I had a Shanna at some point. I probably sacrificed her for feathers. Male Corrin has amazing speed, with 45 speed after Yato and Darting Blow 3 buffs and a +Speed boon, so Desperation will work great with him
 

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Setsuna is hilarious.
have you seen the quadsuna set? it's very expensive to make, but it sounds like it'd be pretty good

the set is this: brave bow+, ardent sacrifice, moonbow, life and death 3, desperation 3, threaten spd 3

assuming neutral atk and spd, she gets 40 atk (including the brave bow+) and 37 spd, meaning she quads a lot of the cast, and the ones that she doesn't will have their spd lowered so she can quad the next turn (assuming she lives)

i'm sure you can also do some thing things with the new firesweep bow+
 
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More like waiting about a week.

Dreamhack Austin, April 28th-30th for both.
Umebura Japan in Tokyo, it's being cosponsored with MVG League and will have an english commentary stream, May 6th-7th, Wii U.
Royal Flush in New Jersey, May 12-14th for both.

It is Smash after all. Weekly majors and corresponding player burnout is more our problems. Honestly, I can't remember the last time there was more than three weeks between some two major events in the US, and those typically involved big events elsewhere in Europe or something in the interim. In Smash 4 you lose the European scenes but gain the Mexican and Japanese scenes, so it functions basically the same.
No joke, I was actually coming here to comment that I was wrong before because I was reminded of Dreamhack when I looked at Mang0 vs HBox from last year.
Also that's more almost 2 weeks rather than one week.
 

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So weird thing I just found out. Apparently Rhajat is in Heroes, and can be found in the Training Tower. Were the Grand Hero Battle characters like this? If no, then that's weird.

Edit: I looked around and that may just be a troll page. Hm :/

I hope they add more Awakening characters soon. Awakening is the only game I've played so I'd like to see more familiar characters. I'd love to see Yarne, Panne, and Flavia. i know there's already a bunch of Awakening characters, though, so I guess we'll have to wait
 
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yeah, that's just a fake page someone made

it's especially obvious since it's missing base stats, says she's a sword user but has a tome weapon, and her skills are the exact same as Tharja's

i really like the second generations in both awakening and fates, and i hope they add them eventually. honestly, i would kill for Mitama in Heroes because she's probably my favorite character from Fates
 

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have you seen the quadsuna set? it's very expensive to make, but it sounds like it'd be pretty good

the set is this: brave bow+, ardent sacrifice, moonbow, life and death 3, desperation 3, threaten spd 3

assuming neutral atk and spd, she gets 40 atk (including the brave bow+) and 37 spd, meaning she quads a lot of the cast, and the ones that she doesn't will have their spd lowered so she can quad the next turn (assuming she lives)

i'm sure you can also do some thing things with the new firesweep bow+
Yeah, I have and was promptly crushed by someone going in full detail about how +Atk or +Spd Jeorge, Klein, and Takumi do that build much better. And it was also when Firesweep Bow was speculated... Here's where my dreams were crushed: https://serenesforest.net/forums/in...ce-discussion/&do=findComment&comment=4791917.

Firesweep Bow would work with her if I had a Faye and an extra one at that. Then again, the others would probably be able to use Firesweep better...
 
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Yeah, I have and was promptly crushed by someone going in full detail about how +Atk or +Spd Jeorge, Klein, and Takumi do that build much better. And it was also when Firesweep Bow was speculated... Here's where my dreams were crushed: https://serenesforest.net/forums/in...ce-discussion/&do=findComment&comment=4791917.

Firesweep Bow would work with her if I had a Faye and an extra one at that. Then again, the others would probably be able to use Firesweep better...
that's interesting to know. i didn't think that quadsuna would be better than takumi, but it's sad that even with huge amounts of skill inheritance, setsuna is still bad

so, does the firesweep bow still allow the unit wielding it to double? all the in-game weapon description says is that "unit and enemies cannot use counterattacks," which makes it sound like the user can't double either.
 
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that's interesting to know. i didn't think that quadsuna would be better than takumi, but it's sad that even with huge amounts of skill inheritance, setsuna is still bad

so, does the firesweep bow still allow the unit wielding it to double? all the in-game weapon description says is that "unit and enemies cannot use counterattacks," which makes it sound like the user can't double either.
Well, one problem which Setsuna had in Fates, was that her good stat was speed. Everything else is either bad or average which compared to Takumi, made her an inferior archer both in Fates and Heroes. The other problem is that Takumi is arguably the best archer stat-wise and makes everyone else look like chumps. Jeorge and Klein compete for second-best, Gordin and Niles have their niches as physical and magical tanks with the addition of Faye as another magical tank who has her own default niche, not sure where Rebecca is, but I feel like she's like Virion, an average archer, and then there's Setsuna. Highest speed of the archers, but lowest HP, second lowest base attack, and because of how her defense and resistance are, overall low defenses. She can't take hits nor can she deal them.

She's kind of like Odin, except Odin has good all-around skills while Setsuna's are specific, but good. For one, during her banner, if Inherit Skill was a thing, an average 5* Virion would have outperformed her with an Assassin's Bow+ purely because he can kill the thieves. Setsuna cannot; she leaves them at low HP which means the sword cavalier is just going to warp in and kill her if you're not careful. Also, her lower defense and HP means she's going to be closer to death than Virion.

Basically, she is in the same boat as Beruka, Florina, Navarre, Odin, and to a lesser degree, Oboro where other units overshadow them in almost all builds they attempt. Maybe Gunter as well considering Frederick has better offense and defense at the cost of resistance which is similar to Jagen compared to Peri and kind of Hinoka who can't do much other than be another Cordelia. Skill Inheritance almost made Camilla pointless compared to Minerva, but Camilla's outstanding resistance saved her at the cost of being a very specific unit.

Yes, Firesweep Bow allows you to double which Faye might not be able to normally because of her 25 neutral speed. Here's a write-up on her which also has links to other units if you're interested: https://serenesforest.net/forums/in...heritance-discussion/&page=61#comment-4796691.
 
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Okay so this has been in my sub box all day and I've been a bit confused by the thumbnail. Now I just have to ask.
@Antonykun did you draw your profile picture, and how did this guy find it if you did?
 

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Burgundy Burgundy , is there any specific unit you'd want a Wo Dao+ on? The answer I got was that pretty much anyone without a legendary weapon would want Wo Dao+ because it's such a good weapon in general.
 

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Burgundy Burgundy , is there any specific unit you'd want a Wo Dao+ on? The answer I got was that pretty much anyone without a legendary weapon would want Wo Dao+ because it's such a good weapon in general.
No one in particular. My sword units at 4 Stars are:
Navarre, Fir, Eirika, 2 Hinatas, Eliwood, Caeda (not that great of a nature, I think it's +Res), and Palla.
My 3 Star swords are Navarre, Olivia, Hinata, Selena, and Draug.

Best guesses for picks would be Fir, Palla, Olivia, or Selena. But again, I'm not terribly interested in any of them, to be honest. Corrin is my 3rd 5 Star Sword unit, and my 4th 5 Star Red unit. I think I'll live without investing in another Sword user. Tbh I'm thinking about just keeping my Karel and hoping for Shanna, maybe give up one of my Navarre for Desperation 2

Edit: Palla is +HP/-Res, Selena is +Def/-Res. Can't check Fir or Olivia cause they're not level 1 or level 20, maybe kill level them and check tomorrow

Also, I got Florina to level 20 and promoted her. Before I deleTed her for skills, I checked her nature cause I was curious and
+Def/-Res. Ew. Ewewewew. DeleTe that heaux

Now I have Darting Blow 3, and so I'm thinking about whether to give Corrin Threaten Defence or Speed. Defence would help him hit harder, but Speed would let him double Lucina after one turn, if I'm not mistaken

Edit: Wow, seals are great. Corrin with the Speed +1 Seal puts him at 46 Speed after Yato and Darting Blow, which lets him double Life and Death 3 Speed Boon Lucina. I dunno how common that is but that's cool. I think that might make me lean towards Threaten Def.
 
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No one in particular. My sword units at 4 Stars are:
Navarre, Fir, Eirika, 2 Hinatas, Eliwood, Caeda (not that great of a nature, I think it's +Res), and Palla.
My 3 Star swords are Navarre, Olivia, Hinata, Selena, and Draug.

Best guesses for picks would be Fir, Palla, Olivia, or Selena. But again, I'm not terribly interested in any of them, to be honest. Corrin is my 3rd 5 Star Sword unit, and my 4th 5 Star Red unit. I think I'll live without investing in another Sword user. Tbh I'm thinking about just keeping my Karel and hoping for Shanna, maybe give up one of my Navarre for Desperation 2

Edit: Palla is +HP/-Res, Selena is +Def/-Res. Can't check Fir or Olivia cause they're not level 1 or level 20, maybe kill level them and check tomorrow

Also, I got Florina to level 20 and promoted her. Before I deleTed her for skills, I checked her nature cause I was curious and
+Def/-Res. Ew. Ewewewew. DeleTe that heaux

Now I have Darting Blow 3, and so I'm thinking about whether to give Corrin Threaten Defence or Speed. Defence would help him hit harder, but Speed would let him double Lucina after one turn, if I'm not mistaken

Edit: Wow, seals are great. Corrin with the Speed +1 Seal puts him at 46 Speed after Yato and Darting Blow, which lets him double Life and Death 3 Speed Boon Lucina. I dunno how common that is but that's cool. I think that might make me lean towards Threaten Def.
Okay, then you should probably save Wo Dao+ for someone else in the future and hope that you get a Shanna for Desperation since it seems like a waste to sack Navarre who is one, a GHB unit and two, is an alternate unit for Threaten Speed 3 to Selena who is the only other unit who can give a full set of that.

I don't know if I should give Oboro a Killer Lance+ or not... That's going to be 26k feathers -- I only have 36k -- since I'd need to get a Gwendolyn up to 5* and a Stahl and a Subaki up to 4* as well for Def +3 and Quick Riposte 2. 46k if I wanted Quick Riposte 3... 24k if I decided to sack Catria who I'd rather not since she's the only one who can give a full set of Armored Blow and I only have 2 who have decent boon/bane. 22k feathers if I decide to give F!Robin Gronnraven+ since M!Robin had to have -Atk and it seems like a waste to only grab Gronnraven for a level 40 4* unit. So many feathers... I think I'm just going to give Felicia Seal Speed 3 from a promoted 2* to 4* Virion. That's 2.2k feathers and I already spent 0.2k feathers... 147 units... Oh, and I'm a little pissed that Barst had to show up when I just used 4* Barst to give Frederick Brave Axe and Reposition. I could have used that Spur Attack 3 on someone!
 
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