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[Burgundy]

How have you guys beaten the Lunatic Navarre quest?

Lorde , I found the Michalis build. Starts here after someone asked about what skills a 5* Michalis should get: https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/70033-skill-inheritance-discussion/&page=38.

Spoiler: Camilla and Beruka too

There is also a Camilla build on the previous page -- top of page 37, but you'll need to scroll down a bit since it's a large post split between 2 builds for Camilla. I remember people talking about Camilla and how with Skill Inheritance, she now has to compete with the other Wyvern Riders who are now much stronger because of their expanded options. For one, Cherche is arguably the best Brave Axe flyer because of her massive attack; Cherche's neutral base attack is 38 to Camilla's 30 and with attack boon, you're looking at 41 base attack for Cherche which with a Brave Axe+ puts her at 49 attack to an attack boon Camilla with 41. Brave weapons are more player phase unless you have a very tanky and high attack unit like Effie, Frederick, Gunter, and pretty sure Donnel and Oboro with Quick Riposte to abuse. It has to be both which explains why a proposed Draug build urges people to get rid of his Brave Sword since Draug only caps at 33 with attack boon.

And as a normal unit, Camilla's stats were compared to Minerva's who has similar-ish stats -- lower resistance for defense and HP and 1 more attack, defense, and speed. Minerva also comes with Life & Death which makes her even stronger as an offensive unit.

So, the response is from what I remember is to make Camilla a flying mage killer.

Also, Beruka build that was quite recent: https://serenesforest.net/forums/in...ce-discussion/&do=findComment&comment=4779660. Four posts down, is where one user mentions the whole if you're doing a flyer team, then Beruka is easier to work with, but if you don't then it's more difficult.

Burgundy , 2 Sophia builds: https://serenesforest.net/forums/in...ce-discussion/&do=findComment&comment=4767108.

Anyway, apparently one of Bunny Lucina's special quotes is "Bunny blast!". When I saw that, all I could think of was Terriermon from Digimon.

The other thing is that Lachesis has a personal weapon: the Earth Sword, which her daughter inherits. Man... really? There are a lot of sword units, but come on, her official art shows her wielding a sword while her daughter is the one wielding a staff.

Hmm...I like that second one. I've had a lot of success with my m!Robin, so a red version sounds cool.
And I 100% would sack nasty Tharja for sweet lil Sophia. I've already considered deleTing Bunny Camilla to give my f!Robin Green Egg+ for funsies.

 

[Ffamran]

ARE YOU SERIOUS!? Someone downgraded their Kagero to a Steel Dagger! She starts out with a Poison Dagger! It's effective on like 80% of the freaking cast! If you're not going against infantry, then use a different unit! Don't... Ugh... Cress, your Anna is going to do all of the work now.

 

[Lil Puddin]

I'm just here for the feathers even though I still don't know who I want to get to 5 stars.

btw a friend of mine did a test stream of BotW earlier and now I'm annoyed that they can stream in 1080p fine but if I try to stream at even 240p my Elgato basically doesn't know what to do and instantly combusts.
Anyways I'm glad to see that the Switch version isn't free of the acid trip that is playing the Wii U version (check 32:15).

Why not work on Sharena or Al? They will all be used for The Arena and they're all good units when geared properly.

After I get done my horsie gorls, which is pretty soon, I will work on Alphonse, Sharena, and then Anna. I normally would work on the axe user first because I love axes, but I already have Husbando Hector and Waifu Frederick as my axe nukers soooooooooooo Anna's gotta go last.

How have you guys beaten the Lunatic Navarre quest?

Spoiler: From the Askr Times

These two posts mean the exact same thing and that's highly amusing considering the differences in length.

 

[Lorde]

Karel is the best sword fodder in the game ATM, since Moonbow exists. It'd probably just be better to throw his sword at another sword user and call it a day. Although, Xander and Better-Xander are coming sometime soon so they might take the 1st spot for swordie on most teams - assuming those people don't have Ryomas anyway. Not only is Camus better offensively (give him Darting Blow and watch him GO GO GOOOOO), but he's actually hotter. wtf IS unfair pls ban

They're both supposed to be Grand Hero battles, right? Both of them seem terrifying. I'm definitely going to save up my feathers to upgrade them.

And how dare you say that irrelevanT gorl is hotter than Marx?? Marx is bae and you just don't know it yet

 

[Lil Puddin]

Karel is the best sword fodder in the game ATM, since Moonbow exists. It'd probably just be better to throw his sword at another sword user and call it a day. Although, Xander and Better-Xander are coming sometime soon so they might take the 1st spot for swordie on most teams - assuming those people don't have Ryomas anyway. Not only is Camus better offensively (give him Darting Blow and watch him GO GO GOOOOO), but he's actually hotter. wtf IS unfair pls ban

They're both supposed to be Grand Hero battles, right? Both of them seem terrifying. I'm definitely going to save up my feathers to upgrade them.

And how dare you say that irrelevanT gorl is hotter than Marx?? Marx is bae and you just don't know it yet

TBH I didn't know Other-Xander existed until I saw the picture. Xander WILL be a GHB but I do not know about Camus. It'd make sense for him to be a summon unit, just to give us more high profile/really good summons.

And yea, Xander normally is the hottest Fates bro. But not in FEH. They really messed up his face or maybe it's just the angle. Artwork they should've used:

Spoiler: BJN say not for the children

 

[RosalinA]

TBH I didn't know Other-Xander existed until I saw the picture. Xander WILL be a GHB but I do not know about Camus. It'd make sense for him to be a summon unit, just to give us more high profile/really good summons.

And yea, Xander normally is the hottest Fates bro. But not in FEH. They really messed up his face or maybe it's just the angle. Artwork they should've used:

I swear one day a random mod will come in and just ban you or something because you will just Quintuple post a page of these things.

 

[Lorde]

TBH I didn't know Other-Xander existed until I saw the picture. Xander WILL be a GHB but I do not know about Camus. It'd make sense for him to be a summon unit, just to give us more high profile/really good summons.

And yea, Xander normally is the hottest Fates bro. But not in FEH. They really messed up his face or maybe it's just the angle. Artwork they should've used:

Yeah, I've never head of Camus either.

Marx's face looks fine to me in the FE:H artwork. If anything, Camus' face looks kinda strange to me.

Swimsuit Marx from that one beach DLC mission is GOAT

Spoiler

 

[Ffamran]

I swear one day a random mod will come in and just ban you or something because you will just Quintuple post a page of these things.

Meanwhile, I'm watching this all unfold.

Anyway, what's weird about Camus is that while he probably will be a Grand Hero Battle unit like all of the non-playable units and Navarre who for some reason was special enough to not be a summonable unit, Camus will come after everyone. The last listed GHB unit is Lloyd, another member of the Four Fangs and the wielder of the Regal Blade -- basically a stronger Silver Sword since it has no effects, but he does use Light Brand which is a magical sword that could justify Distant Counter on him -- in Blazing Sword. Lloyd is not actually in the game yet -- he's probably going to kickstart the next chapter of Heroes' plot --, but Camus is.

 

[Cress!]

Cress, your Anna is going to do all of the work now.

Your Selena is putting in work so ty. I battled a team of 2 Camillas and a Raven, so I just threw your Selena into the mess and watched everyone die while she took 0 damage. It's fun watching a retainer kill their liege. Twice.

And there's just a lot of Camillas in general so she helps a lot.

 

[Burgundy]

FIRST TIME I BUY ORBS AND IT FINALLY HAPPENED THIS GAME IS RIGGED

Spoiler: THE ONE AND ONLY

BUNNY BOY CHROM IS MINE

 

[Ffamran]

Your Selena is putting in work so ty. I battled a team of 2 Camillas and a Raven, so I just threw your Selena into the mess and watched everyone die while she took 0 damage. It's fun watching a retainer kill their liege. Twice.

And there's just a lot of Camillas in general so she helps a lot.

You should watch her decimate Hector. It's hilarious seeing a skinny red-headed tsundere destroy an armored badass.

Shame that her attack sucks, though. One day, I'll get one with +Atk, but for now, this +Def one will tank everything except for blues which is to be expected.

 

[Burgundy]

My Chrom is +HP/-Res, which is just fine for me. I saw a set that the #4 person on the gauntlet leaderboards was using which is basically all about healing. Noontime, Renewal 3, and Hone Atk 3 for extra buffs. I'll have to wait to get Renewal 3 but it looks like a build I wanna make :D

 

[Antonykun]

ok first person who gives me a drawing idea will have me draw it
(probably won't post it until tomorrow tho)

 

[Cress!]

Finished at rank #967, just barely got the 2,500 feathers. Also ranked in the 10,000-30,000 zone for overall score, so I'm expecting a ton more feathers after round 3.

ok first person who gives me a drawing idea will have me draw it
(probably won't post it until tomorrow tho)

Sheik banning Zelda.

 

[Ffamran]

Hmm, I feel like I should level up the 1* special map units instead of the ones I already have that are 3*. Reason being is that some 3* have good skills off the bat I could use -- mostly because they have "less" skills like Donnel. That and I can give them a massive head start if I want to like Stahl had almost enough for a Ruby Sword or both Swap and Obstruct 1.

Man, I need to get rid of a ton units. 134 and I'd say about 30 of them are duplicates. Should just promote that Tiki and give Subaki Bonfire, get rid of that +Def, -HP? 4* Frederick to get Luna for Sully?, -Atk, +Def Barst is probably going to be sacked to the +Atk, -Res Frederick I decided to train while the other Barst has +Atk, -Def is replacing him since this one will do mad damage, and etc... What the hell am I going to do with these Azamas, Lissas, and Wrys!?

Edit: What was that calculator that was linked a while back? Might want to look into that to decide on a special for Sully.

 

[Cress!]

Edit: What was that calculator that was linked a while back? Might want to look into that to decide on a special for Sully.

Boop
Honestly it looks like another "slap on Moonbow gg", her defensive stats aren't really high enough for Bonfire/Iceberg, but you could use Draconic Aura I guess? Moonbow just seems the most reliable.

 

[Ffamran]

Boop
Honestly it looks like another "slap on Moonbow gg", her defensive stats aren't really high enough for Bonfire/Iceberg, but you could use Draconic Aura I guess? Moonbow just seems the most reliable.

I only have 2 Moonbow sources and that's one Odin and Palla. Meanwhile, about 4 Luna sources. I think I want to save Odin to give Tomebreaker to Ursula or maybe Micaiah if she does indeed show up as a blue mage without Tomebreaker. Probably not M!Robin who got screwed with -Atk, so I'll wait on that and giving him Tomebreaker makes him the same as F!Robin which is pointless not to mention both have not so great resistance.

Aura would work since I have 2 spare Corrins, but it might be better to give them to Sharena and other units with high attack, but average to low defenses.

Edit: Page steal! In honor of our overlady Camilla.

I think I might join team Minerva because there might be less people there, so less competition for feathers.

 

[Lil Puddin]

I only have 2 Moonbow sources and that's one Odin and Palla. Meanwhile, about 4 Luna sources. I think I want to save Odin to give Tomebreaker to Ursula or maybe Micaiah if she does indeed show up as a blue mage without Tomebreaker. Probably not M!Robin who got screwed with -Atk, so I'll wait on that and giving him Tomebreaker makes him the same as F!Robin which is pointless not to mention both have not so great resistance.

Aura would work since I have 2 spare Corrins, but it might be better to give them to Sharena and other units with high attack, but average to low defenses.

Edit: Page steal! In honor of our overlady Camilla.

I think I might join team Minerva because there might be less people there, so less competition for feathers.

Joke's on you. You voted for a purple haired gourd.

Also found this

Spoiler: help Corrin right now

 

[EODM07]

Afternoon girls. How's everyone doing?

Working on identifying materials for my design and what online resources to use for it. Along with mentioning on how they will be shaped, joined, etc. And have to do rough sketches involving them as well.

Spoiler: Yuri pic of the day~

 

[Y2Kay]

yeah this basically how it's gonna end

 

[Ffamran]

Joke's on you. You voted for a purple haired gourd.

Also found this

Spoiler: help Corrin right now

There was no voting. There was only usurpation. Oh, and I joined the red dragoon. She was not the red dragoon I expected. Also, gourds are cute.

Seriously though, I need to play Legend of the Dragoon one day. I had it, I sold it as a dumb kid who did not understand anything about RPGs, and I only have a copy of the manual left. Meh.

 

[EODM07]

I completely forgot about this video:

Chrom: Final answer!? *Stabbed* FINAL ANSWER JA NEI!

 

[Ffamran]

Just remembered something, for those of you who have Breath of the Wild, are there different moves in the game? In Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, and maybe Wind Waker -- also Skyward Sword, but that's for different reasons --, when attacking, you can hold in a direction to make Link do different attacks. So, if you hold forward, Link does a series of thrusts, but if you hold back, he does a different set of slashes and if you don't hold the stick in any direction, he does his standard set of attacks.

 

[EODM07]

Just remembered something, for those of you who have Breath of the Wild, are there different moves in the game? In Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, and maybe Wind Waker -- also Skyward Sword, but that's for different reasons --, when attacking, you can hold in a direction to make Link do different attacks. So, if you hold forward, Link does a series of thrusts, but if you hold back, he does a different set of slashes and if you don't hold the stick in any direction, he does his standard set of attacks.

I don't really know. The ones I only know of is that holding down the Attack Button will make Link either swing a longsword/spear around him which also allows him to cut grass more quickly then with the normal Spin Attack with a sword/club. I could be wrong and there is actual moves for Link like you mentioned. But I do know he has a helm splitter.

 

[Lorde]

i would honestly murder someone for a decent hinoka

 

[Lil Puddin]

i would honestly murder someone for a decent hinoka

Cordelia is the better Hinoka. :^)

 

[Lorde]

Cordelia is the better Hinoka. :^)

Their stats are super similar (Hinoka is slightly bulkier overall, but Cordelia has 3 more speed not factoring in Hinoka's Brave Lance and 1 more res), so it seems to me that they're mostly interchangeable

But considering I want to make a Flier Emblem team, Hinoka is basically required since she's the only unit with Hone Fliers

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

 

[RosalinA]

Not one of the Lucina ones?

 

[Lil Puddin]

Their stats are super similar (Hinoka is slightly bulkier overall, but Cordelia has 3 more speed not factoring in Hinoka's Brave Lance and 1 more res), so it seems to me that they're mostly interchangeable

But considering I want to make a Flier Emblem team, Hinoka is basically required since she's the only unit with Hone Fliers

Oh, you said GOOD Hinoka so I thought you had one already but she had super bad stats. oops

But they are mostly interchangeable, like you said. The only thing is they both die to the same things at the same rate, so you may as well just take +3 speed and naturally obtained Triangle Adept if you HAVE to. Cordelia is also an easier character to get, so you can get a +ATK/-RES or something much easier.

 

[Lorde]

Spoiler

SPEAK OF THE DEVIL

I'm so excited, though

She's +res -hp, which isn't great, but I don't care because it doesn't mess up her attack or anything

I still want Caeda and Cordelia, though

 

[Y2Kay]

TFW u summon on the wyvern riders banner and get Arthur.

 

[Lorde]

Did I ever tell you gorls that the first unit I ever summoned in this game was a +atk -spd 5* Camilla? tbh I thought everybody was guaranteed a 5* unit for their first summon

 

[Ffamran]

But considering I want to make a Flier Emblem team, Hinoka is basically required since she's the only unit with Hone Fliers

You just made me realize how making a flying team is one of the most difficult compared to armors and cavalry. It's second to dragons since only Ninian has a dragon support skill at the moment which could also make it incredibly easy if you have a Ninian and feel one Fortify Dragons is enough. Otherwise, you'd have to sack an adorable ice dragon(s).

Of the flyer support skills, 2 of them are locked behind 5*-only units: Hinoka and Minerva. Only 1, Goad Flyers, is available through a 3* to 4*: Palla. It's also 3 out of 15 total flyers.

The easiest might be the knights as only 2 have no armor support skills: Effie and I'm pretty sure Zephiel doesn't have one. Draug has Ward Armor, Gwendolyn has Hone Armor, Hector has Goad Armor, and Sheena has Fortify Armor. Of those 4, 2 come as 3* to 4* and Draug was given away free through a Blazing Shadows quest. So, 1 out of 6 summonable knights will not have an armor support skill and 2 out of 7 are free units if you happen to get them of course. The only difficult thing I see is that the axe knights are the rarest, but at times, you can get away with that or if you re-rolled to get either Hector or Sheena, then that is a moot point since you'd have an axe knight and both are either good to amazing/game-breaking -- as he should since Hector is that badass.

Cavalry is probably the next easiest since there's more of them which means more variety, but of the support skills, you only need Eliwood, Gunter, and Jagen who are all available as 3* to 4* units with a 5* focus for Eliwood in the recent past and Gunter as a free unit. So, while there are 19 currently available cavalry units and only 3 have cavalry support skills, they come in all flavors covering all colors and physical and magic with ranged physical as a definite in the future. Also, 3 are free units: Cecilia, Gunter, Stahl, and Ursula, so there's that too.

TFW u summon on the wyvern riders banner and get Arthur.

B-but JUSTICE!

Also, the only summonable unit with access to an Emerald Axe and Lancebreaker that you could give to other units...

Fun fact: of the current gem weapon users, Arthur and Hinata have, as 5* units, the highest base attack at 32 neutral attack, followed by Azura, Palla, and Stahl at 31, Narcian at 29, Sully at 26, and dead last is Subaki at 25. So, if you really, really hate lance units, then use Arthur against them or give his Emerald Axe and Lancebreaker to Cherche and Frederick for over-killing time -- both would be better Brave Axe abusers, though -- or Lancebreaker to someone like Michalis who really should be using his defense to abuse Quick Riposte.

Quick Edit: Just thought of this, but there was never an armored mage, was there? Would be cool, but perhaps crippling because they would have terrible movement and can't attack at close range in Heroes. A Golbez-like mage... This needs to happen in a future FE game if it hasn't already since I don't know much about the old games.

Edit: @Chainz, if that Arthur has +Atk, then you would have a monstrous lance killer. The second Arthur I summoned was a 4* with +Atk, -Res. It's overkill what he does to lance units. Overkill is a damn good guarantee against lance units compared to will kill.

 

[Lorde]

You just made me realize how making a flying team is one of the most difficult compared to armors and cavalry. It's second to dragons since only Ninian has a dragon support skill at the moment which could also make it incredibly easy if you have a Ninian and feel one Fortify Dragons is enough. Otherwise, you'd have to sack an adorable ice dragon(s).

Of the flyer support skills, 2 of them are locked behind 5*-only units: Hinoka and Minerva while only 1, Goad Flyers, is available through a 3* to 4*: Palla. It's also 3 out of 15 total flyers.

Caeda also has a similiar skill to Minerva's in that it buffs flying units' def/res, except Caeda's gives +6 instead of +4, but Caeda's is only for adjacent allies and Minerva's is for allies in 2 range

 

[Ffamran]

Caeda also has a similiar skill to Minerva's in that it buffs flying units' def/res, except Caeda's gives +6 instead of +4, but Caeda's is only for adjacent allies and Minerva's is for allies in 2 range

Oh yeah, so that explain who has the missing piece to fill in all 4 support skills. And I didn't know that Reinhardt is the only one with Fortify Cavalry and that Olwen also has Ward Cavalry alongside Eliwood which would mean there are 5 cavalry units who have those skills with 1 being a 5*-only.

 

[Buddhahobo]

You just made me realize how making a flying team is one of the most difficult compared to armors and cavalry. It's second to dragons since only Ninian has a dragon support skill at the moment which could also make it incredibly easy if you have a Ninian and feel one Fortify Dragons is enough. Otherwise, you'd have to sack an adorable ice dragon(s).

I mean, Armor still gets the short end of the stick. Investing with SI is mandatory to fix their mobility, and good luck getting Hector who you need to just not be massacred by magic or dragons.

Flier Emblem wasn't really viable until Michalis (Iote's Shield) and Playboy Camilla (Only magic and only ranged flier) were released.

Calvary imo is easiest because most of the units you need for it were free (Gunter, Cecilia, Ursula) or are going to be free (Xander, Camus). You can basically play Calvary Emblem without spending an orb.

Caeda also has a similiar skill to Minerva's in that it buffs flying units' def/res, except Caeda's gives +6 instead of +4, but Caeda's is only for adjacent allies and Minerva's is for allies in 2 range

I like Minerva and Palla's aura skills better than Caeda's tbh, but that might be because Caeda isn't very good for a 5*-only unit.

 

[Cress!]

Calvary imo is easiest because most of the units you need for it were free (Gunter, Cecilia, Ursula) or are going to be free (Xander, Camus). You can basically play Calvary Emblem without spending an orb.

I'd say it's also easy to play since it's the hardest to counter. Fliers of course are weak to arrows/Merric unless they have Iote's Shield, but that takes up a skill slot and only 2 units max can have it. Armored... have a ton of problems. Only 1 range physical damage, 1 movement, weak to Heavy Lances, generally low Res, yeah, not the best Movement Emblem team. Cavalry is weak to... the Wolf spells. Without inheritance, only Raigh, Ursula, and F!Robin have access to them, and 2 of those units are limited time ones. The Wolf spells are also kinda weak in general against anything not-cavalry.
Cavalry also has the most and best variety; there's plenty of units with both physical and magic damage across all 3 colors. Fliers as you said have only 1 magic user (which is prolly going to be a seasonal unit as well), and Armored have no magic users. Cavalry is also the only 1 of the 3 that has healers but healers aren't really the best right now, but still, options!

 

[Lorde]

would removing the stupid "atk-res/2" thing be enough to make healers viable?

 

[Buddhahobo]

would removing the stupid "atk-re)/2" thing be enough to make healers viable?

Yes, albeit unevenly. Defensive healers like Azama and Lissa will appreciate doing twice as much damage on top of their debuffs / Absorb might actually be a worthwhile skill, but I'd say Elise, and by extension Calvary Emblem, would benefit the most.

The strongest offensive healing spell is Assault with a MT of 10, which is a point less than a Silver Sword.

Elise ties for highest ATK out of the Clerics with Lachesis and Lucius (32), and has a good speed at 32. 42 colorless ATK is nothing to sneeze at. Add in Calvary skill support to augment her damage and speed and your healer now doubles and kills a good portion of the game when not healing herself and another unit for 15+ HP.

Gravity + Draw Back shenanigans would be more viable, too.

So...Horse Clerics get a massive buff when surrounded by other horses, but the low MT of healing offensive spells and their special skills only proccing off of healing keeps them from ever being too viable or horse clerics from being OP.

I'm more hoping the new game modes they announced will be more suited for them; sounds like one of them is a multi-battle gauntlet type mode where sustainability will be a major priority.