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[Lorde]

My teammates never seem to want to use my teleporter. They'll die, but just not use it for some reason, so it stays at like 2 charges for like half of the match. And then when we need a teleporter to get everyone to the point asap since the enemy team's taking it, I don't have my ult ready because nobody would use my teleporter and it only just ran out of charges

 

[Burgundy]

"Sophia with Raudrraven +, Bonfire, Tri Adept, Swordbreaker. Amazing coverage against swords, anything green, and anything colorless. Low speed doesn't matter when she's engaging any of these types. Sure, she's still weak to blues but you probably shouldn't be engaging blues with her anyway."

I found this on reddit and it looks really fun to use. Someome needs to take this game away from me before I do something stupid like this. But Takumi does 0 damage to ha with this set and I really want it even if it's just to see that. Don't really understand the Bonfire part though, maybe it was a typo or somethin

Damnit ever since I saw this yesterday I've really wanted to do it. I think I will. It'll be a good feeling to train a 2 Star all the way up to 5 Stars. Plus Sophia is a cutie.

Spoiler

...I say I will but I have no idea where I'm gonna get those skills. Specifically Rausrraven+. I can give her Raudrraven from Henry, but to get RRaven+ I'd need to boost him to 5 Stars.
I can get her Swordbreaker 3 from a 4 Star Abel I've had forever. Highest Triangle Adept I have is 1 from a 3 Star Selena, but I can boost her to 4 Stars and get 2
I have both m!Robin and Adult Tiki for Bonfire but there's no way I'm giving up Robin for Sophia and I'm reluctant to give up my Adult Tiki cause she's +3, and I'd have to boost her to 4 Stars for Bonfire as well. But like you said idk what the point of Bonfire is. She can probably just keep Dragon Fang.

 

[Ffamran]

I did it. I finally got Sophia to level 40. Ganondammit, that was grueling. Her stupid attack bane and naturally low speed was annoying as all hell. So many times where if she had her normal attack, she'd probably be able to one-shot or finish off an opponent after someone softens them up. Nope, she gets them down to 1 HP or needs 2 people to soften them up and by that point, the opponent would have been dead. The weirdest thing is that apparently, Sophia was a fake-Est archetype in Binding Blade. She appears late at a low level, but ends up as average at best compared to units like Est, Myrrh, Nino, etc.

Spoiler: Possible Binding Blade plot point spoilers

I don't know how spoiler-y this is, but apparently Sophia can also heal. Meanwhile, in Heroes, she has no healing skills whatsoever. They could have given her Breath of Life instead of Fortify Res. Maybe it was such an irrelevant skill in Binding Blade that it's irrelevant in Heroes too.

And Oboro is level 40 now too! Yay... except I have to give her Drag Back if I want to beat Lunatic Navarre. I'm going to assume using Eirika as the drag backer won't work even with Sophia around. Now is the question of whether do I give her Brave Lance or Killer Lance since Donnel and Gwendolyn are the only common units with Drag Back.

Arthur and Sully are close to level 40 now. Arthur's really good in singleplayer. I hope he becomes a key player in a future Grand Hero Battle which would basically mean Narcian would too. Perhaps Xander's which I hope actually has his retainers Laslow and Peri as enemy units. It would be really cool.

 

[Lorde]

I want to make a flier emblem team

the sad thing is that i don't have hinoka, caeda, minerva, cordelia, easter camilla, etc.

basically, all i have is palla, shanna, est, florina, cherche, belka, narcian, and michalis

i guess i'll just train up my +spd -hp palla and my narcian and just wait for rng to bless me with better fliers for the rest of my team

 

[Ffamran]

I want to make a flier emblem team

the sad thing is that i don't have hinoka, caeda, minerva, cordelia, easter camilla, etc.

basically, all i have is palla, shanna, est, florina, cherche, belka, narcian, and michalis

i guess i'll just train up my +spd -hp palla and my narcian and just wait for rng to bless me with better fliers for the rest of my team

Do you not have a Subaki or rather, spare Subakis? A Michalis build I saw that someone said was either degenerate or disgusting was Michalis with Bonfire and Quick Riposte -- QR3 is a 5*-only skill found that only Klein, Leo, and Subaki have. Michalis has the second-highest defense of the axe flyers at 35 after Beruka's/Belka's average 37 while also having the second highest attack at 34 under Cherche's 38. In a way, you could say he's a Cherche who traded attack and HP for defense, resistance, and 1 more speed. That's still a strong unit. If you can get him to a 5*, then you also have a 16 MT Killer Axe through Hauteclare dropping Bonfire down to a 2 cooldown or if you want, Ignis to a 3 cooldown. With his speed, he won't be able to double much, but with his bulk, he can make use of Quick Riposte like Subaki can -- explains why Mkv loves using him against the sword units in the GHB battles -- since he probably won't take much damage against any lance units or possibly even axe units. I'll have to look into this on Serenes Forest to get the full details, but yeah, it's a very strong defensive axe flyer build using a unit that was essentially free.

Spoiler: Flyers I've used and owned

Beruka/Belka is weird. Someone asked about a build for her and someone replied that she works well with a flyer team since she can get much needed offensive buffs from Goad, Hone, and Ward Flyers which by default is Palla, Hinoka, and Minerva respectively. Otherwise, she will be bulky, but might not be able to do much damage since her attack and speed are lowest of the axe flyers.

Cherche hits hard, so if you have a spare Brave Axe, slap that onto her if you want a very offensive axe flyer. She has the second highest base attack in the game under Effie and even with attack bane, still has 1 more attack over Michalis. If you want a more well-rounded one, then Cherche with an Emerald, Killer, or Silver Axe. She can use Bonfire and Quick Riposte as well, but keep in mind her slightly lower defense at 32 if average compared to Michalis and Beruka.

Beruka/Belka is weird. Someone asked about a build for her and someone replied that she works well with a flyer team since she can get much needed offensive buffs from and flyer with Goad, Hone, and Ward Flyers which by default is Palla, Hinoka, and Minerva respectively. Otherwise, she will be bulky, but might not be able to do much damage since her attack and speed are lowest of the axe flyers.

I remember using Est before and she hits hard. That's pretty much it. Get rid of her Heavy Lance to make use of her 35 base attack. Yeah, she's that strong and her speed is pretty decent.

Palla's probably going to be the support unit since she's the common unit with Goad Flyers. So, she's going to be the crux of your team unless you pass that onto someone else. She is still a good unit, though, especially considering she's the only other sword flyer. Palla has higher attack, defense, and HP than Caeda who has higher speed and resistance. So, she's an all-arounder. Speaking of whom, Caeda has the lowest attack of all the flyers at 25 if average under Beruka's 27. If you summon Caeda one day, then get rid of her Armorslayer for a Ruby or Silver Sword -- Silver Sword plus Triangle Adept would do a lot of damage, but that means her A-slot is locked and she'd be specifically for green units -- and give her Glacies or Iceberg to make use of her high resistance.

Shanna is good. The one issue is that she's kind of built around her Desperation skill which lets her double immediately if her HP is below the threshold and she's at least 5 speed above her opponent. This can be dangerous, but very powerful. So, a glass cannon.

Subaki is good, especially if you have an attack boon one which fixes the main issue of him and that's low damage which is fair considering his high, all-around good stats. -Atk is basically a dead Subaki -- use him for Quick Riposte fodder on units with high defense and/or resistance, average to low speed, or are Brave weapon users like Draug (Brave), Gwendolyn, or even Robin. Hopefully it's not a defense or speed bane one since those are his other crucial stats, especially defense since that's what drives his Quick Riposte. So, +Atk, -Res and +Atk, -HP are fine. Maybe -Spd since if you're primarily using him for defense, then you are just putting him there to counterattack rather than needing him to double naturally.

Spoiler: Flyers I haven't used or owned

Florina... I don't know what they did to her in this game. In Blazing Sword, she's supposed to be really fast, but her constitution, a stat no longer in recent FE games, was low, so there's no reason why she has a Heavy Lance. She should have been the Silver Lance flyer and her shtick should have been having high speed and resistance for average to poor attack, defense, and HP. But nope. I've never summoned a Florina outside of re-rolls, but she doesn't seem that great. Est's stats are similar and I'd say better than Florina's. Hey, at least Florina can give you a full set of Darting Blow as a 4*... Poor girl.

I've never used Narcian, but I figure he'd be like a flying Arthur. A very specific unit which can be really good. Case in point: Subaki. He's your very specific anti-lance unit who is fairly bulky as well. Oh, and he has a god-tier critical health portrait. That face.

I hope that helped in some way.

 

[Lil Puddin]

My teammates never seem to want to use my teleporter. They'll die, but just not use it for some reason, so it stays at like 2 charges for like half of the match. And then when we need a teleporter to get everyone to the point asap since the enemy team's taking it, I don't have my ult ready because nobody would use my teleporter and it only just ran out of charges

It's the smarter option to not take it unless there's dire need to. Kinda like how there's no point to get a 3man rez if you just wiped the enemy team. Heroes with movement options generally are not supposed to take the Tele too unless there's a battle going on.

But that might cause issues down the line. It's smarter to NOT take it. But if they have an enemy who constantly goes for the Tele it would be better to just spam taking it instead. Lame double edged swords. RIP

I want to make a flier emblem team

the sad thing is that i don't have hinoka, caeda, minerva, cordelia, easter camilla, etc.

basically, all i have is palla, shanna, est, florina, cherche, belka, narcian, and michalis

i guess i'll just train up my +spd -hp palla and my narcian and just wait for rng to bless me with better fliers for the rest of my team

That's a decent Palla and Narcian isn't too bad. Shanna, Cherche, and Michalis are also very good to pick from. But Shanna is the only one with stiff competition, since there's Hinoka or Cordelia to compete with.

 

[Cress!]

@ anyone that was also legitimately interested in the Raudraven Sophia set, it isn't that great actually. Because Sanaki.
Sanaki has higher Attack (more damage) and Resistance (so Iceberg does a nice chunk more as well). Her other stats are also a bit more favorable, and she gets Triangle Adept naturally so you don't need to inherit it.
So rip Sophia again, back to being completely outclassed. Just use that set, but replace Sophia with Sanaki and Bonfire with Iceberg.

 

[Nammy12]

So I played fg for the first time in a year or so.
It was actually pretty enjoyable.
I basically just found players that beat me and grinded out matches with them.
I think I spent like 4 hours between only 3 different opponents.

Things that make me cry at night:
-Diddy Kong
-trying to land with Ike
-Diddy Kong's fair
-trying to get off the ledge with Ike
-Diddy Kong's dtilt
-Ike's frame data
-Diddy Kong's banana
-people finally realizing how **** Ike's recovery is and actually going for edgeguards **** counter

edit
I saw your name in theater today.
good movie.

 

[McKnightlíght]

So I played fg for the first time in a year or so.
It was actually pretty enjoyable.
I basically just found players that beat me and grinded out matches with them.
I think I spent like 4 hours between only 3 different opponents.

Things that make me cry at night:
-Diddy Kong
-trying to land with Ike
-Diddy Kong's fair
-trying to get off the ledge with Ike
-Diddy Kong's dtilt
-Ike's frame data
-Diddy Kong's banana
-people finally realizing how **** Ike's recovery is and actually going for edgeguards **** counter

Th-thank you for saying what's always been on my mind.

 

[Nammy12]

Th-thank you for saying what's always been on my mind.

hello darkness my old friend

 

[Lil Puddin]

These are the perfect amount of good and cringe and I appreciate that.

So I played fg for the first time in a year or so.
It was actually pretty enjoyable.
I basically just found players that beat me and grinded out matches with them.
I think I spent like 4 hours between only 3 different opponents.

Things that make me cry at night:
-Diddy Kong
-trying to land with Ike
-Diddy Kong's fair
-trying to get off the ledge with Ike
-Diddy Kong's dtilt
-Ike's frame data
-Diddy Kong's banana
-people finally realizing how **** Ike's recovery is and actually going for edgeguards **** counter

edit
I saw your name in theater today.
good movie.

Great, now I have to give FG a try later just to see if it's as bad as I left it.

I know one thing will remain the same, though. Me IRL after fighting the same character forever in a row:

 

[EODM07]

Morning girls. How's everyone doing?

My right shoulder suddenly started hurting last night, so I've put some lotion on it to ease it and take away the pain. Which is doing the job, also catching up on FOW's Stream.

Spoiler: Yuri pic of the day~

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

Man, all those Ike buffs and he still struggles so hard getting off the edge. Then again, Diddy's banana is really good for dominating neutral, so I suppose it is part of the pain.

 

[EODM07]

hello darkness my old friend

That's exactly how I feel whenever I watch/fight a Sheik. D:

 

[Lorde]

Spoiler

Literally the only unit I didn't want from that focus banner

He's also +attack -speed, meaning he's basically useless

 

[EODM07]

So I've gotten to watching Episode 14 of My Hero Academia (The pilot of Season 2).

It was a slower paced episode, but it felt like it was needed to give some more characters some more development and give more world building. Even though some parts of it were flashbacks. :V

 

[Antonykun]

Spoiler

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Literally the only unit I didn't want from that focus banner

He's also +attack -speed, meaning he's basically useless

Brave Axe Brave Axe

I played some smash yesterday with my friends and i got my cloud main friend to make a verbal essay on how broken bowser is

i was all like:

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[RosalinA]

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DON'T GET ALERTS FOR 3 DAYS! THIS! IS! WHAT! HAPPENS!

 

[Burgundy]

Spoiler

View attachment 127754

Literally the only unit I didn't want from that focus banner

He's also +attack -speed, meaning he's basically useless

Hey! Kill me

@ anyone that was also legitimately interested in the Raudraven Sophia set, it isn't that great actually. Because Sanaki.
Sanaki has higher Attack (more damage) and Resistance (so Iceberg does a nice chunk more as well). Her other stats are also a bit more favorable, and she gets Triangle Adept naturally so you don't need to inherit it.
So rip Sophia again, back to being completely outclassed. Just use that set, but replace Sophia with Sanaki and Bonfire with Iceberg.

That requires me actually getting a Sanaki, so I think I'll stick to Sophia.

 

[Y2Kay]

I got Karel to lvl 40.

Turns out that he's +Atk/-Res I'm pretty sure that's good lol.

 

[Lorde]

I have 2 5* Karels

One is +attack -speed and the other is +speed -attack

I'm probs just going to use them both as fodder for the weapon

imo best nature for him is +speed -one of the defensive stats

 

[Ffamran]

Lorde , I found the Michalis build. Starts here after someone asked about what skills a 5* Michalis should get: https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/70033-skill-inheritance-discussion/&page=38.

Spoiler: Camilla and Beruka too

There is also a Camilla build on the previous page -- top of page 37, but you'll need to scroll down a bit since it's a large post split between 2 builds for Camilla. I remember people talking about Camilla and how with Skill Inheritance, she now has to compete with the other Wyvern Riders who are now much stronger because of their expanded options. For one, Cherche is arguably the best Brave Axe flyer because of her massive attack; Cherche's neutral base attack is 38 to Camilla's 30 and with attack boon, you're looking at 41 base attack for Cherche which with a Brave Axe+ puts her at 49 attack to an attack boon Camilla with 41. Brave weapons are more player phase unless you have a very tanky and high attack unit like Effie, Frederick, Gunter, and pretty sure Donnel and Oboro with Quick Riposte to abuse. It has to be both which explains why a proposed Draug build urges people to get rid of his Brave Sword since Draug only caps at 33 with attack boon.

And as a normal unit, Camilla's stats were compared to Minerva's who has similar-ish stats -- lower resistance for defense and HP and 1 more attack, defense, and speed. Minerva also comes with Life & Death which makes her even stronger as an offensive unit.

So, the response is from what I remember is to make Camilla a flying mage killer.

Also, Beruka build that was quite recent: https://serenesforest.net/forums/in...ce-discussion/&do=findComment&comment=4779660. Four posts down, is where one user mentions the whole if you're doing a flyer team, then Beruka is easier to work with, but if you don't then it's more difficult.

Burgundy , 2 Sophia builds: https://serenesforest.net/forums/in...ce-discussion/&do=findComment&comment=4767108.

Anyway, apparently one of Bunny Lucina's special quotes is "Bunny blast!". When I saw that, all I could think of was Terriermon from Digimon.

The other thing is that Lachesis has a personal weapon: the Earth Sword, which her daughter inherits. Man... really? There are a lot of sword units, but come on, her official art shows her wielding a sword while her daughter is the one wielding a staff.

 

[Lil Puddin]

So I gave FG a try for 2 hours.

My Zelda was kind of rusty, so I gave Peach a try and was like "So that's what happens when you play a viable character vs a non-viable one when you're rusty. OK then." I wrecked house with her. I played some Corrin too, a little Bayonetta against this guy using nothing but high tiers. He cycles through them all starting from S to mid-A on the wiki tier list. lmao why

I made a list of who I fought too, just to cut out any bias of me thinking there's too many high tier uses/the same characters in a row. And by "I made a list" I mean "made my BF keep track while he watched since he was just sitting there drinking my expensive coffee."

Player 1: ZSS Nair/Grab/Uair spam for days. 3 times. Left after she realized my low tier almost beat her 2 times (first match in months on FG). She was getting VERY testy when she noticed I was just DIing out of her ez combos. Like "HOW DARE THIS LOW TIER SURVIVE PAST 80%???!!!" 3rd time I beat her. Insta quit.

Spoiler: reenactment featuring diddy

Player 2: A GOOD DDD! Yay! Oops, 2nd/3rd match he went Metaknight/Diddy. I chose Bayo for the 3rd match and it was EZ.

Player 3: CAMPY B SPAM CLOUD 2 TIMES GET OUT

Player 4: ZSS again, but for 2 times. Also campy spam and ZSS things. LEAVE.

Player 5: Luigi, typical combo spammer until 100%, then goes for smash kills. Got more defensive as the matches went on. Das OK I guess. I lost the 4th match and he left ASAP. I WONDER WHY.

Player 6: This gorl swapped between Link, Pit, M!Corn, and Marth. Never won, but almost won. A lot of rolling is what did this gorl in, tbh. Though they used taunts and stuff so clearly this gorl was here for actual fun and not to stroke their Online Ego I guess. 10/10

Player 7: HELLO ZSS, GOOD BYE PATIENCE BYE FOREVER GORLS. Murdered her with Peesh.

Player 8: (Probably since i had BAN•ZELDA) Ganondork tries to woo Zelda w/ his bara muscles, but she's not having it because he doesn't have a luxurious mane, thicc thighs, and cool armor. He fights me 2 times then leaves.

Player 9: O SHEET IZ A PEESH WUDDUP GORL???!!! She put up a good fight, beat me the 1st time, I beat her, it went back and forth for 8 matches. We mirror matched for another 2 matches, but I won somehow. Hover Dair2stronk and Dthrow->Fair 2 gud.

Player 10: Ike tries to woo Zelda w/ his bara muscles, but it actually works and Zelda loses to Nair/Bair spam. RIP. Got very cocky, tho, probably bcuz all the testosterone. So I went Peesh and made him feel like a very un-bara Toad. RIP to him now.

Player 11: ZSS WTF - I assume Samus' Samuses are what draw people to her.

A majority of the players played like "pros" or like they watched combo videos. So I guess my theory holds out, that the game may be dying until The Switch SSB release and only the serious players remain. Or mostly serious. Unfortunately, that does nothing for them if they don't bother reading and just constantly go for the same thing - even with FG lag holding the other player down. Like. Srsly. I can't tell if it's one sided or if I'm just really slow most of the time.

I found it lame that my was meh, but was still good. I guess that's what happens when someone gets back to using a viable character. like Pessh. Since at the bare minimum they're usable while the other one - used to her full capacity only - is usable. cricricri

Spoiler

View attachment 127754

Literally the only unit I didn't want from that focus banner

He's also +attack -speed, meaning he's basically useless

Ye, but, like, he is the cutie with the bootie, so he will never be useless. :^)

I have 2 5* Karels

One is +attack -speed and the other is +speed -attack

I'm probs just going to use them both as fodder for the weapon

imo best nature for him is +speed -one of the defensive stats

Karel is the best sword fodder in the game ATM, since Moonbow exists. It'd probably just be better to throw his sword at another sword user and call it a day. Although, Xander and Better-Xander are coming sometime soon so they might take the 1st spot for swordie on most teams - assuming those people don't have Ryomas anyway. Not only is Camus better offensively (give him Darting Blow and watch him GO GO GOOOOO), but he's actually hotter. wtf IS unfair pls ban

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DON'T GET ALERTS FOR 3 DAYS! THIS! IS! WHAT! HAPPENS!

ur dedicatd 2 ur craft n das resperctabul

 

[EODM07]

I swear to god, why does Robo-Ky have such a godlike theme from Guilty Gear: XX #Reload!? Especially from the Korean Version.

So I gave FG a try for 2 hours.

My Zelda was kind of rusty, so I gave Peach a try and was like "So that's what happens when you play a viable character vs a non-viable one when you're rusty. OK then." I wrecked house with her. I played some Corrin too, a little Bayonetta against this guy using nothing but high tiers. He cycles through them all starting from S to mid-A on the wiki tier list. lmao why

I made a list of who I fought too, just to cut out any bias of me thinking there's too many high tier uses/the same characters in a row. And by "I made a list" I mean "made my BF keep track while he watched since he was just sitting there drinking my expensive coffee."

Player 1: ZSS Nair/Grab/Uair spam for days. 3 times. Left after she realized my low tier almost beat her 2 times (first match in months on FG). She was getting VERY testy when she noticed I was just DIing out of her ez combos. Like "HOW DARE THIS LOW TIER SURVIVE PAST 80%???!!!" 3rd time I beat her. Insta quit.

Spoiler: reenactment featuring diddy

Player 2: A GOOD DDD! Yay! Oops, 2nd/3rd match he went Metaknight/Diddy. I chose Bayo for the 3rd match and it was EZ.

Player 3: CAMPY B SPAM CLOUD 2 TIMES GET OUT

Player 4: ZSS again, but for 2 times. Also campy spam and ZSS things. LEAVE.

Player 5: Luigi, typical combo spammer until 100%, then goes for smash kills. Got more defensive as the matches went on. Das OK I guess. I lost the 4th match and he left ASAP. I WONDER WHY.

Player 6: This gorl swapped between Link, Pit, M!Corn, and Marth. Never won, but almost won. A lot of rolling is what did this gorl in, tbh. Though they used taunts and stuff so clearly this gorl was here for actual fun and not to stroke their Online Ego I guess. 10/10

Player 7: HELLO ZSS, GOOD BYE PATIENCE BYE FOREVER GORLS. Murdered her with Peesh.

Player 8: (Probably since i had BAN•ZELDA) Ganondork tries to woo Zelda w/ his bara muscles, but she's not having it because he doesn't have a luxurious mane, thicc thighs, and cool armor. He fights me 2 times then leaves.

Player 9: O SHEET IZ A PEESH WUDDUP GORL???!!! She put up a good fight, beat me the 1st time, I beat her, it went back and forth for 8 matches. We mirror matched for another 2 matches, but I won somehow. Hover Dair2stronk and Dthrow->Fair 2 gud.

Player 10: Ike tries to woo Zelda w/ his bara muscles, but it actually works and Zelda loses to Nair/Bair spam. RIP. Got very cocky, tho, probably bcuz all the testosterone. So I went Peesh and made him feel like a very un-bara Toad. RIP to him now.

Player 11: ZSS WTF - I assume Samus' Samuses are what draw people to her.

A majority of the players played like "pros" or like they watched combo videos. So I guess my theory holds out, that the game may be dying until The Switch SSB release and only the serious players remain. Or mostly serious. Unfortunately, that does nothing for them if they don't bother reading and just constantly go for the same thing - even with FG lag holding the other player down. Like. Srsly. I can't tell if it's one sided or if I'm just really slow most of the time.

I found it lame that my was meh, but was still good. I guess that's what happens when someone gets back to using a viable character. like Pessh. Since at the bare minimum they're usable while the other one - used to her full capacity only - is usable. cricricri

I know that feeling. When you face against trash on FG. I actually fought against a Cloud that only did FSmash and the occasional Neutral B.

And one guy who would roll 80% of the time with Little Mac. After beating him, I told him he needed to less the spam on his roll. He changed his tag to "ONLYAGAME". Boi, that's rich coming from someone who rolls like a bakery.

But I guess the best thing is to just ask for some friendlies instead. Since at least that way, we'll have actual feedback and comments on what to improve on.

 

[r_greening1]

A majority of the players played like "pros" or like they watched combo videos. So I guess my theory holds out, that the game may be dying until The Switch SSB release and only the serious players remain. Or mostly serious. Unfortunately, that does nothing for them if they don't bother reading and just constantly go for the same thing - even with FG lag holding the other player down. Like. Srsly. I can't tell if it's one sided or if I'm just really slow most of the time.

I don't think I understand what you're trying to say here. :\

 

[Ffamran]

Welp, I beat Lunatic Navarre with this modified strategy that basically has Tiki tank and destroy the thieves and Navarre: https://serenesforest.net/forums/in...-hero-battle-navarre/&page=11#comment-4778626. Did not have a 5* Tiki, but I had everyone else. Apparently, it was doable -- mathematically proven by the way -- with a 4* +Def, -Res Tiki. The only difference was that after the first turn, Navarre positioned himself above Tiki which I was told would happen. On the second turn, he didn't attack her; he attacked Sully.

Also, TV Tropes said that Spring Xander had a bunny under his hat which can be seen when he's at critical health. I checked and wow, he does. It's pink too! A horse with a carrot in its mouth and a rabbit under his hat. I kind of want to summon, but the chances of getting him is so slim let alone getting one with a decent boon/bane. That and my atrocious luck with blues and archers makes me not want to even try.

 

[Lil Puddin]

I don't think I understand what you're trying to say here. :\

1) The Wii U is "dying" as in all that's left are mostly "pro" players. Either that or the people who were even remotely casual moved to For Fun entirely, while leaving FG for the people who try to fight (or try too hard to fight lol).

2) They knew what to do when they finally got a combo going, but did not know what to do in neutral - because combo videos or pro matches do not teach you how to read opponents. They were screwed over because they couldn't read. So they played like pros (hence "pros") when they got a combo going, but that's it.

3) Lag/delay on my side, but not their side. Half the matches they were attacking VERY fast with perfect pivots/fast falls/etc. with the utmost consistency. Not sure if it's legit delay or I'm just really slow at pushing buttons. Or they somehow got used to the delay and input everything at the precise moment.

 

[Cress!]

Team Cordelia just hit 2 billion points!

...and Team Camilla is about to hit 10 billion points.

 

[Ffamran]

Team Cordelia just hit 2 billion points!

...and Team Camilla is about to hit 10 billion points.

Hey, at least we got the 10 billion reward in the bag. That's what matters, right?

 

[Cress!]

Hey, at least we got the 10 billion reward in the bag. That's what matters, right?

I'm just here for the feathers even though I still don't know who I want to get to 5 stars.

btw a friend of mine did a test stream of BotW earlier and now I'm annoyed that they can stream in 1080p fine but if I try to stream at even 240p my Elgato basically doesn't know what to do and instantly combusts.
Anyways I'm glad to see that the Switch version isn't free of the acid trip that is playing the Wii U version (check 32:15).

 

[Y2Kay]

How have you guys beaten the Lunatic Navarre quest?

 

[evmaxy54]

Lol FG is Tr4sh

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

Lol FG is Tr4sh

So I gave FG a try for 2 hours.

My Zelda was kind of rusty, so I gave Peach a try and was like "So that's what happens when you play a viable character vs a non-viable one when you're rusty. OK then." I wrecked house with her. I played some Corrin too, a little Bayonetta against this guy using nothing but high tiers. He cycles through them all starting from S to mid-A on the wiki tier list. lmao why

I made a list of who I fought too, just to cut out any bias of me thinking there's too many high tier uses/the same characters in a row. And by "I made a list" I mean "made my BF keep track while he watched since he was just sitting there drinking my expensive coffee."

Player 1: ZSS Nair/Grab/Uair spam for days. 3 times. Left after she realized my low tier almost beat her 2 times (first match in months on FG). She was getting VERY testy when she noticed I was just DIing out of her ez combos. Like "HOW DARE THIS LOW TIER SURVIVE PAST 80%???!!!" 3rd time I beat her. Insta quit.

Spoiler: reenactment featuring diddy

Player 2: A GOOD DDD! Yay! Oops, 2nd/3rd match he went Metaknight/Diddy. I chose Bayo for the 3rd match and it was EZ.

Player 3: CAMPY B SPAM CLOUD 2 TIMES GET OUT

Player 4: ZSS again, but for 2 times. Also campy spam and ZSS things. LEAVE.

Player 5: Luigi, typical combo spammer until 100%, then goes for smash kills. Got more defensive as the matches went on. Das OK I guess. I lost the 4th match and he left ASAP. I WONDER WHY.

Player 6: This gorl swapped between Link, Pit, M!Corn, and Marth. Never won, but almost won. A lot of rolling is what did this gorl in, tbh. Though they used taunts and stuff so clearly this gorl was here for actual fun and not to stroke their Online Ego I guess. 10/10

Player 7: HELLO ZSS, GOOD BYE PATIENCE BYE FOREVER GORLS. Murdered her with Peesh.

Player 8: (Probably since i had BAN•ZELDA) Ganondork tries to woo Zelda w/ his bara muscles, but she's not having it because he doesn't have a luxurious mane, thicc thighs, and cool armor. He fights me 2 times then leaves.

Player 9: O SHEET IZ A PEESH WUDDUP GORL???!!! She put up a good fight, beat me the 1st time, I beat her, it went back and forth for 8 matches. We mirror matched for another 2 matches, but I won somehow. Hover Dair2stronk and Dthrow->Fair 2 gud.

Player 10: Ike tries to woo Zelda w/ his bara muscles, but it actually works and Zelda loses to Nair/Bair spam. RIP. Got very cocky, tho, probably bcuz all the testosterone. So I went Peesh and made him feel like a very un-bara Toad. RIP to him now.

Player 11: ZSS WTF - I assume Samus' Samuses are what draw people to her.

A majority of the players played like "pros" or like they watched combo videos. So I guess my theory holds out, that the game may be dying until The Switch SSB release and only the serious players remain. Or mostly serious. Unfortunately, that does nothing for them if they don't bother reading and just constantly go for the same thing - even with FG lag holding the other player down. Like. Srsly. I can't tell if it's one sided or if I'm just really slow most of the time.

These two posts mean the exact same thing and that's highly amusing considering the differences in length.

 

[Y2Kay]

I feel like I should at least have a pocket Zelda

you know, just out of principle.

 

[RosalinA]

I feel like I should at least have a pocket Zelda

you know, just out of principle.

But the reason to have a pocket Zelda is to cover bad matchups so...

 

[Antonykun]

How have you guys beaten the Lunatic Navarre quest?

+

 

[RosalinA]

Spoiler: Match

I'm surprised ZeRo didn't tornado.

 

[Rickster]

Lil Puddin That video you linked made me find this gem

 

[Ffamran]

How have you guys beaten the Lunatic Navarre quest?

This.

Welp, I beat Lunatic Navarre with this modified strategy that basically has Tiki tank and destroy the thieves and Navarre: https://serenesforest.net/forums/in...-hero-battle-navarre/&page=11#comment-4778626. Did not have a 5* Tiki, but I had everyone else. Apparently, it was doable -- mathematically proven by the way -- with a 4* +Def, -Res Tiki. The only difference was that after the first turn, Navarre positioned himself above Tiki which I was told would happen. On the second turn, he didn't attack her; he attacked Sully.

I did not want to waste 225 SP to give Oboro Drag Back of all things to beat the damn map. Tiki getting Reciprocal Aid and Quick Riposte 1 -- didn't have enough for 2, but I'll get it later if and when I promote her or decide to go on a SP grind spree with her -- made sense for her since she's slow and tanky while Reciprocal Aid can be a very weird, but powerful tool.

Spoiler: Other strategies and Navarre

One strategy is to have Donnel or a blue unit -- the axe unit needs to be baited towards and away from your other units -- that can two round the Rogue Dagger thief and also has Drag Back so that they can be out of danger and also have a chance to attack again with a dancer. Some units like an average 4* Donnel can kill the thieves and Navarre in one round -- you need at least 44 total attack which Donnel makes up 38 of with his 33 base attack and 5 MT Brave Lance which allows him to hit twice per attack while a 4* Olivia gives the remaining 4 with Hone Attack 3. Basically, this strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEQ5L-I0OG4.

It's the simplest strategy in that if you kept and trained your special map units, you're pretty much ready to go. You don't need to give someone a Brave Lance, Drag Back, etc. meaning you don't need to use Inherit Skill. Alternatively, if you have other units like Hector, Kagero, etc. there are different strategies which are covered in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMYS83aZisg.

Serenes Forest has a thread on it too which could help. You have five hours left, but compared to Michalis, Narcian, and Ursula, Navarre's not really that great in that he has no access to unique skills unlike Michalis who has Iote's Shield, he also isn't a very unique unit unlike Narcian who is the only other Emerald Axe and Lancebreaker unit besides Arthur, Michalis again who has access to a personal weapon shared with his sister Minerva, and Ursula who is the only blue cavalry mage and the third playable cavalry mage who is not a healer. Navarre's kind of in between Fir and Lon'qu in terms of offense and defense, but compared to them, his offensive skills kind of sucks when it's a 5 cooldown AOE to Fir's 4 cooldown and Lon'qu's 3 cooldown single-target specials all of which is lowered by 1 if you use and should use their Killing Edge.

So, don't sweat it you can't beat it to get a 4* Navarre, but if you want to beat it for the sake of beating it, well, that might be a problem depending on your situation.

Pretty sure Beni did a write-up on this.

Edit: Yeah, Beni's write-up: https://smashboards.com/threads/zel...details-inside.344739/page-3176#post-21708729.

 

[Cress!]

Welp just got a google play card in hopes that the next new characters are gud. I've kinda just accepted that the spring units are pretty bad and having at least the husbandos as mementos is enough for me. I may try to train up Chrom later but I just finished Anna, I don't need to train another axe user right now.

Spoiler: Also this happened

Magic husbando on a horse AWAYYYYY

btw Puddin, I don't think that your Rein is +Atk. He has 40 attack now (including weapon) and is at level 37. +Atk Rein at level 40 has 44 attack including his weapon. And since you can't get +2 on level ups in this game... sorri.