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Greninja's autocancel window is one of the largest out there for an aerial (frames 1-12 and all frames after frame 40)

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It's decent but like, the first part is only helpful as a fake out or if you miss your timing. The second autocancel activates 23 frames after the hitbox ends which I'd guess is pretty average. The closest move comparison I can find is Toon Link's FAir, which ends on frame 15 and autocancels on frame 51 (but has a FAF of 39 so, apples and oranges I guess?) FWIW Game & Watch's BAir autocancels all frames until the hitbox comes out (frames 1-9) and from 38 on (only 17 frames after the final hitbox but it's multihit).

Sorry, I'm just not real impressed by its autocancels. They're not bad but it seems kind of average.
 
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am i the only one who thinks that the legendary skins in overwatch are massively overrated?

i prefer the blue and purple tier skins 9 times out of 10 because i love the original character designs so much

like, the only legendary skins i actually use are the summer games ones, plus yeti hunter mei, mechaqueen/raptorion pharah, and sharkbait roadhog. i barely ever select the others (and some of them i've never used. looking at you, all of zarya's other two disgusting legendaries)

some of the best skins in the game are blue/purple tier (like ascendant zenyatta, all of widow's purple tier, and turquoise ana)

basically, the skins are the best part of the game and i really want a halloween event soon, so i can get some new skins for my favorite gorls
I don't care that much for the Legendary skins myself, the only ones I really like are Plague Doctor Reaper and Fool Junkrat.

Genji's Nihon skin tho, I'm so glad I got it. Wish I could've gotten Mercy's summer games skin too but oh well.
 

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am i the only one who thinks that the legendary skins in overwatch are massively overrated?

i prefer the blue and purple tier skins 9 times out of 10 because i love the original character designs so much

like, the only legendary skins i actually use are the summer games ones, plus yeti hunter mei, mechaqueen/raptorion pharah, and sharkbait roadhog. i barely ever select the others (and some of them i've never used. looking at you, all of zarya's other two disgusting legendaries)

some of the best skins in the game are blue/purple tier (like ascendant zenyatta, all of widow's purple tier, and turquoise ana)

basically, the skins are the best part of the game and i really want a halloween event soon, so i can get some new skins for my favorite gorls
Mercy has imo the worst Legendary skins in the game, I really hope witch Mercy ends up looking usable (if it even happens). I cringe a bit whenever I see someone using one of her Legendaries.
Most of the legendary skins are just meh but I could see how people like them.
Also Cybergoth Zarya>both Olympic Zarya skins. Industrial Zarya is possibly the worst skin in the game tho
 

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greninja still commits hard to all of his aerials

like, fair has 23 frames of ending lag before the autocancel, nair has 24, and bair and uair have 19 (dair's is better, but doesn't really matter because it's a stall-then fall, so you usually don't autocancel it). the fafs are pretty garbage overall, too

not to say that his fair is bad, but i'd rather have a move autocancel quickly after the hitbox ends than a big window before the hitbox actually comes out

some characters have really dumb autocancels, like sheik's nair/cloud's dair autocanceling on the frame after the hitbox ends, sheik's fair having only 4 frames of ending lag before the autocancel, peach's dair having only 7 frames of endlag, diddy's fair having 10, etc.

i honestly think that greninja committing so hard to all of his aerials is the biggest thing holding him back. i get that it's for the the sake of balance and all of that, but it makes the character feel unwieldy. you could combo with his aerials for days if they didn't have so much endlag
Greninja shouldn't be commiting to a Forward Air, if he is then he or she is using the attack wrong.

It's much more useful as a whiff punish. Something to use when your opponents whiffs an attack. If you have good movement and footsies play you'll be able to land it pretty consistently.

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Gen 4 was kinda garbo until Platinum so no loss there (Diamond and Pearl were boring). Platinum has a nice Dex and decent pacing. I really like Black and White, though. Haven't played Black or White 2, however. The protagonists were terribly designed IMO. Plus it wasn't available to me when it came out and I'm kinda iffy on a lot of what they did so :drshrug:
I just started playing Black 2 after years of being iffy on it. It's been great so far, there's lots of improvements, and I'm definitely enjoying it more than X/Y. :4greninja:The protagonists are pretty bad looking (especially the guy omg), but their overworld sprites look kinda cute so you can maybe get used to it.
 

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I don't care that much for the Legendary skins myself, the only ones I really like are Plague Doctor Reaper and Fool Junkrat.

Genji's Nihon skin tho, I'm so glad I got it. Wish I could've gotten Mercy's summer games skin too but oh well.
I like Reaper's Wight and Royal skins a lot, but I don't mind the 2 mexican ones. Junkrat probably has my least favorite skins in the game. None of them are really that great to me, so I just use the jailbird one because I like the color white

Genji's Nihon is his best skin by far, and definitely one of the better ones in the game. Eidgenossin is really good, and I use it most of the time with Mercy. I like to use Cobalt sometimes, too.

Mercy has imo the worst Legendary skins in the game, I really hope witch Mercy ends up looking usable (if it even happens). I cringe a bit whenever I see someone using one of her Legendaries.
Most of the legendary skins are just meh but I could see how people like them.
Also Cybergoth Zarya>both Olympic Zarya skins. Industrial Zarya is possibly the worst skin in the game tho
The two valkyrie Mercy skins are good. Sure, they're not as good as her purple tier ones, but they're not trash. I used to use Sigrun before Eidgenossin was a thing. The two edgy skins are absolute garbage, though. Really, aside from those two, Mercy's skins are pretty good.

tbh all of Zarya's skins are pretty bad. The legendary winter coat ones are ugly and the glasses make her look like a mole. The goth ones are a crime against nature and need to be eradicated (I used to use Cybergoth ironically because it's basically the worst skin in the game, bar none). The Summer Games ones aren't great, but they're better than the other legendaries. Her best skin is Dawn imo, followed by Midnight and then the Summer Games ones.

Best overall skins in the game probably goes to like, Zenyatta and Symmetra. Reinhardt's are pretty decent, too
 
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Pharah's blue skins are godly
this

aside from security chief and thunderbird (the weapon is absolutely disgusting and doesn't really go with the rest of the skin), pharah's skins are really good

amethyst is gorgeous, and i really like the two robot skins. it's a shame the helmet for them is garbage
 
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I just started playing Black 2 after years of being iffy on it. It's been great so far, there's lots of improvements, and I'm definitely enjoying it more than X/Y. :4greninja:The protagonists are pretty bad looking (especially the guy omg), but their overworld sprites look kinda cute so you can maybe get used to it.
I'll probably end up playing one of them at some point. I really like Unova, so... yeah. They don't seem like bad games, but how they implemented a few features seems odd to me.
 

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I'll probably end up playing one of them at some point. I really like Unova, so... yeah. They don't seem like bad games, but how they implemented a few features seems odd to me.
Which features are you talking about? Cause if it's Join Avenue, then I don't really get it either...
 

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On the topic of Greninja's fair, my first impression of it would be that it's pretty bad from it's startup lag. But I've faced a fair number of skilled Greninjas who know what they were doing, and they convinced me otherwise.

It's a far cry from, say, Mewtwo's or Sheik's fairs, but it sure as heck gets me a lot more than Dedede's F-smash. Greninja's great mobility and jump height compliment it well.

On the topic of Gen 5, B/W where my favorite games. The difficulty is handled pretty well, imo. You actually see enemy gym leaders or rivals using set up moves rather effectively. The 8th gyms DD Haxorus and Cheren's Coil Serperior get me every time. But I don't feel like it really forces you to grind like some old games, nor does it make it too easy with a broken Exp.Share like X/Y did.
 
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Which features are you talking about? Cause if it's Join Avenue, then I don't really get it either...
It's largely the new forms, which have nothing to do with gameplay. IDK what the Therian forms really are (though they do at least make Tornadus and Thundurus more distinct) and while I get the concepts behind Kyurem's fusions, they look terrible. There's also the new Pokémon in the Dex, which, while important for flavor, takes away some of made Unova special. Plus the implementation of the difficulty settings is objectively bad.

They're minor nitpicks and the games are probably good. I'll get around to them eventually.
 

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I agree with Lorde Lorde about Trashmouse's skin selection. It's like Blizzard is afraid of making him look cute.

Tho shame on Cress! Cress! !!! Mama Mercy looks fly in everything. TBH, I like the blue wings skin because it makes her shimmery and amazing. Her Valkyrie skins would look better with real looking angel wings instead of the glowy standard one. I'd probably like her Summer Games skin more if she had red wings, too.
 

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Gen 5 was one of the bests and the fact that some people still hate it cause of the Pokémon designs annoys me to no end
 

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Gen 5 was one of the bests and the fact that some people still hate it cause of the Pokémon designs annoys me to no end
Gen 5's Pokémon designs are overall very good. I really don't understand most of the complaints.

If anyone wants to play some matches I'd be down!
 

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It's largely the new forms, which have nothing to do with gameplay. IDK what the Therian forms really are (though they do at least make Tornadus and Thundurus more distinct) and while I get the concepts behind Kyurem's fusions, they look terrible. There's also the new Pokémon in the Dex, which, while important for flavor, takes away some of made Unova special. Plus the implementation of the difficulty settings is objectively bad.

They're minor nitpicks and the games are probably good. I'll get around to them eventually.
I think Therian Formes are supposed to be the original forms of the cloud trio? I think someone at Game Freak just wanted an excuse to redesign them because the game doesn't really explain it. Can't relate about the Kyurem forms though, Black Kyruem looks excellent in my eyes. And yeah, those difficulty settings make no sense whatsoever. Might as well pretend they don't exist. But all that really is just small side stuff compared to what you actually experience when playing.
 

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Here's a tier list of how smart I think Smash 4 characters are. It's largely based on speculation from their games.

A
:4link:/:4tlink::4fox::4ganondorf::4villager::4zelda:/:4sheik::4zss:/:4samus::4olimar:
All these characters have shown advanced strategy, puzzle solving or to be educated. Link stars in puzzle dungeon busters, Zelda and Ganon are leaders/strategists and Zelda is probably well educated, Villager is more of an economist and became mayor, Olimar is an explorer and scientist, Samus and Fox show military strategy/knowledge, puzzle solving (Dinosaur Planet) and possibly futuristic mechanical knowledge.
B
:4bayonetta2::4cloud::4corrin::4myfriends::4lucas::4lucina::4marth::4metaknight::4mewtwo::4ness::4palutena::4robinm::rosalina::4feroy::4ryu::4wiifit::4falco:
Smart but not anything particularly special. I'm assuming psychic power =/= intelligence but might take skill to control/learn. Fire Emblem characters might be a tier up since they were in war strategy games but I never played them. Palutena may be a goddess but she's never actually shown to be very clever. MK tried to conquer Dreamland but got nowhere. Rosa is hard to tell. Being skilled in magic like Bayo and Cloud or disciplined like WFT and Ryu may be signs of intelligence. TBH several of these characters could be A tier but I'm not sure enough. A few like Cloud and WFT could also be in C.
C
:4falcon::4drmario:/:4mario::4littlemac::4luigi::4darkpit::4peach::4pit::4wario:
Average human intelligence. Mario does not have a doctorate and throws pills at everything.
D
:4lucario::4bowserjr::4dedede::4bowser::4pacman::4sonic::4larry: (Koopalings):4diddy::4dk::4yoshi:
These characters can talk but are sub-par to humans.
E
:4charizard::4duckhunt::4greninja::4jigglypuff::4kirby::4pikachu:
Animals and/or babies. IDK how smart Greninja is.


Robot tier
:4gaw::4rob::4megaman:
I have no idea tier
:4shulk:

Feel free to comment, disagree, etc.
If anyone wants to play some matches I'd be down!
I'll play.
 
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Here's a tier list of how smart I think Smash 4 characters are. It's largely based on speculation from their games.

A
:4link:/:4tlink::4fox::4ganondorf::4villager::4zelda:/:4sheik::4zss:/:4samus::4olimar:
All these characters have shown advanced strategy, puzzle solving or to be educated. Link stars in puzzle dungeon busters, Zelda and Ganon are leaders/strategists and Zelda is probably well educated, Villager is more of an economist and became mayor, Olimar is an explorer and scientist, Samus and Fox show military strategy/knowledge, puzzle solving (Dinosaur Planet) and possibly futuristic mechanical knowledge.
B
:4bayonetta2::4cloud::4corrin::4myfriends::4lucas::4lucina::4marth::4metaknight::4mewtwo::4ness::4palutena::4robinm::rosalina::4feroy::4ryu::4wiifit::4falco:
Smart but not anything particularly special. I'm assuming psychic power =/= intelligence but might take skill to control/learn. Fire Emblem characters might be a tier up since they were in war strategy games but I never played them. Palutena may be a goddess but she's never actually shown to be very clever. MK tried to conquer Dreamland but got nowhere. Rosa is hard to tell. Being skilled in magic like Bayo and Cloud or disciplined like WFT and Ryu may be signs of intelligence. TBH several of these characters could be A tier but I'm not sure enough. A few like Cloud and WFT could also be in C.
C
:4falcon::4drmario:/:4mario::4littlemac::4luigi::4darkpit::4peach::4pit::4wario:
Average human intelligence. Mario does not have a doctorate and throws pills at everything.
D
:4lucario::4bowserjr::4dedede::4bowser::4pacman::4sonic::4larry: (Koopalings):4diddy::4dk::4yoshi:
These characters can talk but are sub-par to humans.
E
:4charizard::4duckhunt::4greninja::4jigglypuff::4kirby::4pikachu:
Animals and/or babies. IDK how smart Greninja is.


Robot tier
:4gaw::4rob::4megaman:
I have no idea tier
:4shulk:

Feel free to comment, disagree, etc.

I'll play.
Getting online!
 

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Don't worry about SDing if I mess up unless it's something like a Tatsumaki in the wrong direction. Still getting used to his physics.
 

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This song is super chill. I really could listen to more of it.
Luck of the draw, I guess. Seems like The Black Skirts are just a chill, mellow type of band. Love Shine's mellow too. I think this is the first Korean band I'd want to follow.

Can I get some advice? If I was to buy a new PC that works for games like Dark Souls 3 but is inexpensive, what would you recommend? Specs, memory, etc? Any good controllers that work with PCs? Price range? Thanks.
Please try and build a PC since you get to choose your own parts and not have to deal with bloatware, assembly labor costs, and stuff. Anyway, bruh, ya gonna need to be specific. Do you mean like 600 USD inexpensive or 1000 USD "inexpensive" or 300 USD inexpensive. Also, some other conditions like are you doing anything else e.g. animation, audio, modeling, video editing, etc., location -- options, prices, retailers, etc. will vary along with maybe not having a closed case in a hot area --, are you overclocking or want to overclock, what settings are you aiming for i.e. maxed setting at 4K or 60 FPS at reasonably high settings at 1080p, and some other stuff I don't remember that people tend to ask... Eh... https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...d-recommendations-please-read-before-posting/.

Three more things: most budgets do not include the OS which is usually around 100 USD, so if a build is 700 USD, it's probably 800 USD. You can get OS, Windows, for less, through various legal means like some colleges give discounts, especially if you're in computer engineering and science.

Two, do not cheap out on a power supply unit (PSU). You really do not want to spend whatever money only to have the damn thing get fried because of a crap PSU. Fortunately, there are good, inexpensive PSUs like Corsair and EVGA make 40-ish USD PSUs.

Three, PCPartPicker can help with planning builds: https://pcpartpicker.com/, from searching for parts based on prices, reviews, and specs, figuring out what retailers sell what, and their forums. They also have a YouTube channel that does builds to guide you through the process with different builds -- you can always just look up how to build a PC for other guides. Do note that mail-in rebates are on by default.

Easy things: controllers. Pretty much anything since there are third-party support and ghetto solutions. Ideally, something that is supported would be anything like Xbox 360 and Xbox One controllers -- I think they're XInput, so anything XInput. There are other resources, but this one came to mind: http://www.pcgamer.com/the-best-controller-for-pc-gaming/.

CPUs... Yeah... You don't really have a choice because of AMD's decision with their previous generation of CPUs... If you want a good CPU, you're stuck with Intel's i5 and i7 CPUs. If you really, really don't have money, then it's still Intel i3's which is a bit problematic as more games use more than 2 cores. AMD can work at a very low budget like its APUs which offer relatively good graphics since it's a weird hybrid of CPU and GPU -- APUs are what the PS4 and Xbox One use in addition to a GPU --, but its CPUs are pretty much obsolete considering their new generation, AMD Zen, CPUs are about to come out next year. Still, it's not that bad... An i5 6500 runs about 200 USD and if you want to overclock which requires that the CPU is a "K", then the i5 6600K is around 230 USD.

Oh, and try to grab a CPU cooler. Why? Stock coolers tend to suck. They just do. Are they functional? Yes, well... not really for AMD's current CPUs which can run hot -- their APUs are fine... I think --, but they're not really ideal even for basic stuff like not being loud. Grab something like Cooler Master's Hyper Evo 212 which is like 20-30 bucks. Do note that depending on the case you choose, it might not fit, so you will have to look at alternatives which are around the price range.

Memory, RAM, 8GB usually, but 16GB has been affordable, so you could get 1 stick of 8GB and add in another later on. Make sure it's the correct type; don't buy DDR3 for a motherboard that only accepts DDR4. On the GPU end which has its own memory, 4GB is cutting it close now which is why people have been recommending that you don't buy Nvidia's GTX 1060 3GB card which while good, does get bottled necked at times because of its lower VRAM. Why it's not called the GTX 1050 Ti which is an entirely different card about to come out is beyond me... Then again, this is the same generation where AMD's fiasco of having an insufficient power port for their RX 480 -- still a good card despite that problem, not sure if non-reference designs have this problem --, Capcom including a rootkit for SFV's recent, but rollbacked update for PC players, Nvidia not having enough supply for their cards, Samsung, and a bunch of other dumb **** that's likely to continue as it always will.

I don't know what you're wanting for Dark Souls 3, but if you're looking to get maxed settings at 1080p, then an AMD R9 290 / 390 or Nvidia's GTX 970 would do the job: http://www.techspot.com/review/1162-dark-souls-3-benchmarks/page2.html. Dark Souls 3 has a frame cap, so you won't be getting anywhere above 60 FPS. As stuff gets released periodically, the benchmarks were made before the new AMD RX 400's and Nvidia GTX 1000's. Kind of a rule of thumb is that the next generation would be like this: AMD RX 480 <= R9 390 and Nvidia GTX 1060 <= GTX 970. Both of those GPU's are like 200 to 250 USD compared to past generations which were like 300 USD if I recall correctly. For 60 FPS and generally high settings at 1080p, they would probably do well in any game.

There is a problem where not all games scale well with GPUs. One game could run like absolute **** even with the latest and greatest GPUs like Nvidia's GTX 1080, about to be released? 1080 Ti, and "Titan whatever the hell they're calling it now" -- AMD hasn't released their newest power card yet -- while another runs so well that even something like a Nvidia GTX 950 would be fine. Some of it's depending on the game like open world games tend to be demanding on games while a more or they're really graphics-happy *cough*Crysis*cough* while games that want to target a large audience like DoTA 2, League of Legends, Overwatch, and Street Fighter V won't be as demanding, especially at lower settings -- SFV literally lets you drop to potato-level quality to ensure 60 FPS gameplay. There are always exceptions like Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain which is optimized very well despite being an open-world game -- it's not heavily populated, so there's that -- and aims for photo-realism or Capcom's Devil May Cry 4, DmC: Devil May Cry, and Dragon's Dogma where both manage to go +120 FPS with moderately-powered systems.

Storage... eh... do I really need to explain? HDDs tend to be cheaper and have higher capacity, but can be larger while SSDs tend to a bit more expensive -- they're becoming much more affordable nowadays --, but are much faster and come in different form factors if you really want them like M.2 which attach to the back of a motherboard. Ideally, having an SSD for a boot drive for your OS and games is nice since stuff loads faster, but as they're not as expensive compared to back then, you could just grab a 500GB SSD and call it a day instead of getting a 240-ishGB SSD and a 1TB HDD.

Cases and motherboards. One, cases will determine motherboard form factors. Makes sense since you can't stuff a big mobo into a small case or a case that isn't made for it -- there are small cases that can actually fit large mobos. From largest to smallest, it's generally ATX, mATX, and mini-ITX. Smaller ones will lose out on stuff like mini-ITX won't have as much RAM slots or PCI-e slots than mATX which won't have as much as ATX. It's not really that much of a problem, though. Cases will support multiple mobo form factors; so a case can support up to all three, another only supports mATX and mini-ITX, and then there are only mini-ITX cases. Generally, cases don't have to be expensive unless you want them to be. You can get a 40-ish USD case that's fine and not a piece of crap or you can shell out upwards to 300 USD for some wicked case. Just go with whatever features, size, or looks you want. Seriously, you can get a case like this that's about 60 USD: http://www.techspot.com/review/1062-silverstone-raven-rvz02/. Do look for reviews though. HardwareCanucks is a channel that goes over cases: https://www.youtube.com/user/HardwareCanucks/, if you want a visual aspect to it and not just texts and images.

Stuff to consider about cases, though, is air flow and silence. Good air flow means the components will be able to run cooler (as cool as the ambient temperature). For example, the Raven case I linked is entirely dependent on the CPU cooler and the GPU's cooler to cool itself while more common cases have case fans to help out not to mention being larger inside for air flow, but that being said, there are some cases that are simply restricted no matter how large. Silence, some people want their PCs to run as silent as possible which can result in restricted air flow and higher prices.

On motherboards, specifically, they're separated by platforms and generations; AMD's CPUs won't work on Intel motherboards and Intel's older generations of CPUs might not work on the newer ones. On Intel, specifically, they're also separated by motherboards that allow you to overclock and one's that won't; Z-boards are ones for overclocking while B- and H-boards aren't. So, if you grab an i3 or non-K i5 or i7, then don't get a Z-board, but if you do grab a K i5 or i7, then it might be wise to get a Z-board so you can overclock. AMD never really did this from what I know.

Power supply units. Easiest thing about them is they come in modular, semi-modular, and non... not modular. If they're modular, then that means wires are pluggable, so use what you need which can save space and help with cable management. If they're not, then all the wires are attached which can be a problem for smaller and/or more restrictive cases. Semi-modular sits between of having attachable wires and fixed wires. For wattage, make sure it's at least up to how much power is being drawn which PCPartPicker can show you, but there are calculators out there... I think NewEgg has one. Still, it's better to have some headroom, especially if you're looking to overclock. For efficiency rankings, try to get at least 80+ Bronze. More stuff on PSUs you can probably dig up and it's going to be better explained than by me. Also, PSUs do come in different form factors, but that's generally not going to be a problem; most cases use ATX PSUs.

Other stuff: liquid cooling, sound cards, monitors, VR, optical drives -- external is always an option --, wireless cards, headphones, eh. I'm not going into those. Techquickie: https://www.youtube.com/user/Techquickie, can help, but more in-depth discussion of those can be found like on LinusTechTips and its forums, PCGamer, PCPartPicker and its forums, TechSpot, Tom's Hardware, etc.

I should really be doing homework... >_>

Edit: PSU.
 
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Gonna use Ness for a bit. I liked him in Brawl but he's just never clicked with me in Smash 4.
GGs. IDK if the lag got worse at the end or I just couldn't get the timing back after Brawler (probably the latter) but I did terrible those last few. I could not time anything. Good Ryu/Ness.

PS Note to self, Link can't tether grab PKT2 lol. Edit, it's intangible, not armored, frames 1-9.

IMO Mewtwo probably goes +1 Ryu and Link might go even or +1. IDK how the heck G&W can hope to fight him.

Gunner has some things going for him but the guy in the CCI thread was seriously overrating him. At best Gunner is even with Ryu but it's probably more like -1 due to close stages.

Brawler is sort of a discount Ryu. He's slightly more mobile but has less reach, is slower and toned down moves compared to Ryu. His sideB is really good since it launches up even in the air. DownB sucks but it can sweetspot the ledge. Neutral B is very slow but good if the opponent isn't in a position to retaliate. UpB sucks.
 
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GGs. IDK if the lag got worse at the end or I just couldn't get the timing back after Brawler but I did terrible those last few. I could not time anything. Good Ryu/Ness.

PS Note to self, Link can't tether grab PKT2 lol.
I think the lag may have been a little worse but I think Ryu likes to fight in the same zone as Brawler and with generally better reward. Default Up-B is so bad lol, got spiked out of it.

Yeah I dunno what was up with your grab failing there. I know PKT2 has invincibility frames at the start but I thought you grabbed before they started! Oh well.

I need to lab the heck out of Ryu's command inputs, especially TSRK. I basically just started using him to try and get better at neutral but found him very enjoyable.
 

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I honestly don't get why people are looking forward to the patch tbh.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember a case when they decided to patch something in game and patch the characters with it.
 

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I think the lag may have been a little worse
It was probably a little that and me not adjusting to different characters at the end. It messes with my head trying to get all the different timings down. SSB4 can be hard to buffer with it's increased hit/shield stun.

PS I edited my last post.

Ffamran Ffamran I mean my current computer is a rock from 2005ish and IDK c*** about computers lol. I just need something that plays games and preforms other basic functions. Thanks for all the info but I'm a total noob about building computers.
 
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Back to the topic of Gen 5...

The people who whined about gen 5 designs were mostly just people who were salty they didn't get to use Charizard and Gyarados. All of the pokemon were new, so they didn't appeal to their nostalgia for gen 1. Then they deluded themselves into thinking it was because all of the new pokemon were uninspired and bad, and denied that nostalgia had any influence in their opinions. If you don't like gen 5 designs because they don't appeal to you nostalgia, that's fine, but it's irritating when you try to make everyone else hate them to, be it by calling them over-designed or cherry picking the few designs you think are silly(while ignoring all the silly Kanto designs to!).

As for Kyurem...that thing is as ugly as all living heck. But you know what? I think it's supposed to. Zekrom and Reshiram are majestic, remembered as heroic dragons. Kyurem, on the other hand, is forgotten and broken(literally). It's only remembered by the people of Kalos as some horrible monster. In a weird way, I actually kind of like it for being ugly.

That's no excuse for the therian forms, though. They're just ugly and stupid. I didn't like dragons with human faces when LoZ did it, and I didn't like it when Pokemon did it either.
 
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I know you said "mostly", but Charizard and Gyarados are among my least favorite gen 1s.

Gen 4 by far had the worst designs to me, with gen 5 having my second least-favorite, but the designs I did like from those generations are among my favorites (Volcarona, Cresselia, Lilligant, Chandelure).
 

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I hate carpet. I spotted a horrifying-looking earwig and hit it several times with the flat side of dustpan, but all I did was spook it a little because the carpet underneath it was way too soft. Now I've lost sight of it, and I'm way too scared to go to sleep.

I don't care if most earwigs can't actually hurt people. It's pincers were red. That's terrifying.
I know you said "mostly", but Charizard and Gyarados are among my least favorite gen 1s.
How dare you.
If you just didn't like Gyarados, that'd be fine. But Charizard? I won't stand for such insolence.
Gen 4 by far had the worst designs to me, with gen 5 having my second least-favorite, but the designs I did like from those generations are among my favorites (Volcarona, Cresselia, Lilligant, Chandelure).
...Seriously, though, I really don't mind if someone hates gen 5, just as long as they're mature about it. You don't even have to like a single pokemon, and I'll understand so long as you don't try to enforce your opinions on everyone else.

But if you don't like Squirtle, Ivysaur or Charizard you're pretty much dead to me.
 
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Morning girls. How's everyone doing? :4zelda:

Feeling under the weather now. Throat is a bit sore and my nose is stuffy, but I think I'll be fine, it's just a cold and I just have to remember Apollo's wise words. "You're going to be FINE!"

Also, it's my sister's birthday today, so I'll be going out for a meal in the evening.

 

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Back to the topic of Gen 5...

The people who whined about gen 5 designs were mostly just people who were salty they didn't get to use Charizard and Gyarados. All of the pokemon were new, so they didn't appeal to their nostalgia for gen 1. Then they deluded themselves into thinking it was because all of the new pokemon were uninspired and bad, and denied that nostalgia had any influence in their opinions. If you don't like gen 5 designs because they don't appeal to you nostalgia, that's fine, but it's irritating when you try to make everyone else hate them to, be it by calling them over-designed or cherry picking the few designs you think are silly(while ignoring all the silly Kanto designs to!).

As for Kyurem...that thing is as ugly as all living heck. But you know what? I think it's supposed to. Zekrom and Reshiram are majestic, remembered as heroic dragons. Kyurem, on the other hand, is forgotten and broken(literally). It's only remembered by the people of Kalos as some horrible monster. In a weird way, I actually kind of like it for being ugly.

That's no excuse for the therian forms, though. They're just ugly and stupid. I didn't like dragons with human faces when LoZ did it, and I didn't like it when Pokemon did it either.
I got Pokémon White when I was in middle school, and I hadn't had a Pokémon game in about 3 years since I didn't have a DS. But I finally got a 3DS for Christmas and I got White with it
I must have played through the game 3 or 4 times in a week during Christmas break lmao. I love all of the designs and the game will always be special to me.
So yeah I get a little salty when people act nostalgia blind lol
But if you don't like Squirtle, Ivysaur or Charizard you're pretty much dead to me.
Blaziken is the best ;0
Jk Squirtle and Ivysaur are pretty cool too
 
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Here's a tier list of how smart I think Smash 4 characters are. It's largely based on speculation from their games.

A
:4link:/:4tlink::4fox::4ganondorf::4villager::4zelda:/:4sheik::4zss:/:4samus::4olimar:
All these characters have shown advanced strategy, puzzle solving or to be educated. Link stars in puzzle dungeon busters, Zelda and Ganon are leaders/strategists and Zelda is probably well educated, Villager is more of an economist and became mayor, Olimar is an explorer and scientist, Samus and Fox show military strategy/knowledge, puzzle solving (Dinosaur Planet) and possibly futuristic mechanical knowledge.
B
:4bayonetta2::4cloud::4corrin::4myfriends::4lucas::4lucina::4marth::4metaknight::4mewtwo::4ness::4palutena::4robinm::rosalina::4feroy::4ryu::4wiifit::4falco:
Smart but not anything particularly special. I'm assuming psychic power =/= intelligence but might take skill to control/learn. Fire Emblem characters might be a tier up since they were in war strategy games but I never played them. Palutena may be a goddess but she's never actually shown to be very clever. MK tried to conquer Dreamland but got nowhere. Rosa is hard to tell. Being skilled in magic like Bayo and Cloud or disciplined like WFT and Ryu may be signs of intelligence. TBH several of these characters could be A tier but I'm not sure enough. A few like Cloud and WFT could also be in C.
C
:4falcon::4drmario:/:4mario::4littlemac::4luigi::4darkpit::4peach::4pit::4wario:
Average human intelligence. Mario does not have a doctorate and throws pills at everything.
D
:4lucario::4bowserjr::4dedede::4bowser::4pacman::4sonic::4larry: (Koopalings):4diddy::4dk::4yoshi:
These characters can talk but are sub-par to humans.
E
:4charizard::4duckhunt::4greninja::4jigglypuff::4kirby::4pikachu:
Animals and/or babies. IDK how smart Greninja is.


Robot tier
:4gaw::4rob::4megaman:
I have no idea tier
:4shulk:

Feel free to comment, disagree, etc.
Toon Link has never shown above average intelligence, only above average courage.

If being the mayor of a sleepy coastal town of ~a dozen animals counts as A, Roy, Marth, Robin, and Palutena should all be in A tier.

The first two are monarchs and philosopher kings, Robin was the mastermind behind the Ylisse war machine through multiple wars on two separate continents, and Palutena runs Heaven.

Ike was an incredibly accomplished Vanguard and mercenary group leader. Which, you know, involves a lot more economic know-how and logistics than Villager getting swindled by a talking tanuki for years on end. Or Fox McCloud managing a team of four (where most of the paperwork is probably Peppy's job) and just sending their bill to General Pepper.

If we can include anime feats, Mewtwo reversed engineered the cloning equipment that made him then mass produced it by combining it with Pokecenter technology, all from scratch (and a brainwashed Nurse Joy).

Corrin is sort of a colossal idiot, to be honest.

Lucina is definitely cunning and an amazing fighter, but she has a few screws loose given the world she grew up (but survived) in, where some parts of her personality were definitely...stunted, for lack of better phrase.

Bayonetta would have been considered one of the elite education-wise during her school days, though that was circa-1500 or so. Still, you had to be the best of the best to become an Umbran Sister, and even as a pariah she proved her worth to join the religious sisterhood. While she may not have all the knowledge one would want of modern day earth (unknown if she does), she certainly has above and beyond intelligence.

Of course Dr. Mario doesn't have a doctorate; he's a Doctor, he has a medical degree. Unless you can come up with a better medicine giving procedure when your clientele includes sentient bombs, bullets, and fire breathing dragons, don't knock what works.

If being a scientist and explorer counts as A, then Shulk should be next to Olimar.

Don't let the Kirby cartoon show color your opinion of King Dedede and Kirby; they should both be moved up, with Kirby still lesser.

Sonic is average intelligence with friends that have the real brains that let's him focus on what he does best, Bowser is a robotics genius and accomplished warlock.

3/10, your categories are all over the place that it's difficult to figure out how you're defining "intelligence".
 
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Toon Link has never shown above average intelligence, only above average courage.

If being the mayor of a sleepy coastal town of ~a dozen animals counts as A, Roy, Marth, Robin, and Palutena should all be in A tier.

The first two are monarchs and philosopher kings, Robin was the mastermind behind the Ylisse war machine through multiple wars on two separate continents, and Palutena runs Heaven.

Ike was an incredibly accomplished Vanguard and mercenary group leader. Which, you know, involves a lot more economic know-how and logistics than Villager getting swindled by a talking tanuki for years on end. Or Fox McCloud managing a team of four (where most of the paperwork is probably Peppy's job) and just sending their bill to General Pepper.

If we can include anime feats, Mewtwo reversed engineered the cloning equipment that made him then mass produced it by combining it with Pokecenter technology, all from scratch (and a brainwashed Nurse Joy).

Corrin is sort of a colossal idiot, to be honest.

Lucina is definitely cunning and an amazing fighter, but she has a few screws loose given the world she grew up (but survived) in, where some parts of her personality were definitely...stunted, for lack of better phrase.

Bayonetta would have been considered one of the elite education-wise during her school days, though that was circa-1500 or so. Still, you had to be the best of the best to become an Umbran Sister, and even as a pariah she proved her worth to join the religious sisterhood. While she may not have all the knowledge one would want of modern day earth (unknown if she does), she certainly has above and beyond intelligence.

Of course Dr. Mario doesn't have a doctorate; he's a Doctor, he has a medical degree. Unless you can come up with a better medicine giving procedure when your clientele includes sentient bombs, bullets, and fire breathing dragons, don't knock what works.

If being a scientist and explorer counts as A, then Shulk should be next to Olimar.

Don't let the Kirby cartoon show color your opinion of King Dedede and Kirby; they should both be moved up, with Kirby still lesser.

Sonic is average intelligence with friends that have the real brains that let's him focus on what he does best, Bowser is a robotics genius and accomplished warlock.

3/10, your categories are all over the place that it's difficult to figure out how you're defining "intelligence".
I included Link and TL as one character denoted by the /.

TBH IDK much about Pokemon anime but I did say several characters from B could be in A tier. This applies to FE characters and Bayo too.
The most strategy Palutena has shown is to throw Pit at the problem.
Fox has gone on solo puzzle solving ground missions like Starfox Adventures Dinosaur Planet and commanded operations in Starfox command.

Medical degree and doctorate are not conflicting terms and in many countries one must have a doctorate to have a medical degree. I admit that isn't always true though. Regardless, "Doctor" Mario doesn't have one. He's Mario with a white coat and stethoscope who runs around throwing pills at odd characters.

Shulk can be by Olimar. I never played his game.

No. DDD and Kirby are dumb.

No. Sonic is athletic but never showed anything near the level of human intelligence. Bowser has minions that build his c***. He's a buffoon. He doesn't have a better answer to anything than to punch it.
 
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