Buddhahobo
Smash Lord
It was antagonistic towards a group of people for who they main, and called all of them liars if they disagreed with him.
To be a Bayonetta main means you're lying if you say your character isn't the literally the best, saying he's one of the betters ones is a deliberate cop out on your part because of how obvious it is, and you're lying if you say you don't spend all day complaining about Sheik (what good, proper players play), specifically because you're hoping if you make enough of a tantrum Daddy Sakurai will take out the nerf hammer.
He went a wee bit more than "no one wants their own respective main to get nerfed".
By all means, yeah. If that's your impression that's totally a valid one.
Tournament results don't seem to agree with that, but that could just be the calm before the storm I suppose. Besides, he said he had data that definitely proved it, but didn't share it, and instead talked smack about Komokiri.
*shrugs* I mean, if he's gonna literally say "That's a fact!" and that he has the data to back it up, elaborating on something entirely different to what he said he had the data on instead is just changing the subject and hoping no one notices...kind of like what he says all Bayonetta mains do.
Many of the things he says about Bayonetta, people said about Diddy Kong (makes the game not fun, hurts the game, hurts the community, was pick up and win, braindead character, "killing Smash!!11!", etc) and he defended the character and that people just needed to get better.
A significant part of his argument is that when he turns around and says the same things about Bayonetta, they are specifically and solely applicable to her and no one else in the series. Ever. He literally brought up this particular huge flaw in his own video himself, then immediately attempts to dismiss it as irrelevant with no justification other than his say so.
It's equivalent to "Okay, but give me one good reason for X, but you can't mention A, B, C, or D". In which case...what was wrong with A, B, C, or D?
It was a poor argument. He could just as well not have mentioned Diddy Kong at all, and it would have been better for it imo if he hadn't gone out of his way to bring attention to it and open the door for the comparison.
So could most characters with Ladder Combos. And Sheik, depending on the character.
Like, I'm fine with a Sheik main having a bloated opinion of what's needed to properly player their mains. I'm fine with thinking Bayo needs some adjustments because even though she has a bunch more flaws than some other character, but she has that one mean right hook that could use some adjustments even if it means buffing her in other ways. I'm fine with people thinking that Pre-Patch Diddy was perfectly alright and with people who think just the opposite. I'm fine with him having an opinion that Bayonetta is the scum of the earth as long as he keeps it to himself, as I'm fine with the people who think the same about Jiggs, Icies, Spacies, Rosalina, Sonic, Diddy, Sheik, and probably just about every character at one time or another. You don't mudsling people for their mains is all.
But once he starting saying that this is the first time ever all of these things have ever been true, then we've got a problem. That's what I'm against here.
*shrugs*
I suppose so yeah.
*shrugs*
And a lot of the stuff you typed were things ZeRo didn't say.
It's not about comparing her to Sheik, as ZeRo isn't relating Bayo's "toxicity" to Sheik. He's stating, as he has always stated, that there was never anything wrong with Sheik, in the same way there was never anything wrong with Diddy, or any other character he's ever played, but golly gee that there Bayonetta tho.
I'm pretty sure the only thing she's one is the one where Komokiri used her.
And, I mean, wow, new people are joining a scene, picking or changing to a top tier, and doing better. That really isn't anything new? People do better when they change characters to a top tier. As we just ignoring that people did that with Sheik, and Diddy, and Sonic, and Cloud, and achieved the same thing?
He says he has all this data on the regional level of people changing character, you might want to sit down for this one, ..."getting Top 3 on some occasions". That's....somewhat underwhelming, to be frank, given all the doomsaying. Then he goes over how he's never in his life picked a main in any game because it was a top tier, but that found the character that was most fun to him (which, is, I assume from his first video on the subject to even now, why he's still adamant that there was nothing wrong with Pre-patch Diddy) and it just so happens each and every time that that character was the best in the game.
Okay, but why can't Bayonetta mains get that exact same allowance? They liked the character, they voted for her in the Smash Ballot, they main her now that she's won, they love that she's true to the source material, and then they find out she's a top tier. So what? Why is it bad for them and their wins undeserved but completely fine every time for ZeRo? Well, apparently because he "proved" that he wasn't carried by his character. Okay, but why does everyone have to pass a ZeRo proctored litmus test to prove your character doesn't carry you? Hazing is typically frowned upon in most communities.
Then he makes this bizarre moralistic declaration that he won't give into temptation and damn his immortal soul to the wiles of the demon spawned witch, for the good of the community and the pureness of his soul. A personal embellishment, but oddly appropriate given Bayonetta's source material. Like I said, middle section of the video was just a pretty hard turn to crazytown before doing a 180 for the closure section that wisely didn't mention much of the trip down south.
As for the video, I mean, Hard Men Giving Their Hard Ass Opinions And Making Hard Decisions While Hard doesn't magically turn salt into facts, whether that be Smash, Economics, or Politics. I don't really have a horse in this race outside of calling out faulty logic and mudslinging, so eh.
Yeah, I agree with his main take away in his closure of "Don't ban a character, because the concept of banning a character is stupid" to a degree, and obviously Bayonetta, a character worse than Sheik + others, is obviously beatable, but stating that immediately after being quite clear that the character in question has no redeemable attributes, every negative thing said about her is uniquely true only to her, is completely toxic, and if you play her you're what's wrong with Smash (because we sure haven't heard that one before), really just makes his "attempt" at a middle point ring hollow.
And holy **** did this get long. PMs if you want to continue?
This is hilarious.
Mmm, dem smexy, deep fried fish bits all up on that grill. Time to break out the tartar sauce and lemon juice.
??? the one who has better placings that bayo is even easier to learn and have more overturned moves, if bayo was that good, you would think top player would switch to her, but actually she is 2 months old and she is not placing better that 
