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[Macchiato]

My insides tell me it cannot work

But it really depends if a footstool can happening faster than a DJ BAir. Which looks like a yes.

Obviously Dthrow, NAir, BAir isn't true because NAir has too much endlag, so even frame 6 BAir is just a tad too late. IDK how many frames late it is. If it's only like, 2-4 frames late, a faster, footstool option could be guaranteed, or at least harder to escape.

The footstool DAir part looks good though.

I wonder though if it would be too hard to pull off should the opponent DI out. Might be able to do the front NAir side variation off a run jump.

Something I hadn't thought a lot about is the fact that NAir's endlag is the real 'main' reason NAir doesn't chain into another aerial. Which begs the question of what could we be able to do to people off of a NAir if, for example, the FAF went from 51 to 45 or so.

I might even accept 19F landing lag if it was dropped to a lower FAF like that.

HmmmmT I guess most of us just complained about the landing lag when we didn't consider it's endlag. That's interesting, I'll try to lab it later to find out for sure because it looks possible but unlikely. I appriciate the information and response. Thanks sisT

 

[EODM07]

Since 1.1.4 might be the final patch that we'll get girls. What kind of changes do you all hope to see?

I know that I want some changes to Lucina, but seeing as that while damage buffs are good and all. I'd maybe like to see some small buffs given to her. Oh what am I saying? She's gonna get nothing but Damage Buffs. (Which is still good)

 

[Furret24]

Since 1.1.4 might be the final patch that we'll get girls. What kind of changes do you all hope to see?

I know that I want some changes to Lucina, but seeing as that while damage buffs are good and all. I'd maybe like to see some small buffs given to her. Oh what am I saying? She's gonna get nothing but Damage Buffs.

I'd like it if they removed the incredibly weak sourspot on Din Flare, or atleast made it smaller (or stronger). It'd also be nice if it didn't leave Zelda helpless after using it midair for some stupid reason.

 

[Ffamran]

That **** looks gross every time I see it.

For weird animation, I still question ZSS's jump.

Wait, really? I thought she used her staff. *goes to check* Oh. My. Hylia. She does! Oh, and for other animation stuff, look at Sheik when she jumps. Sheik crouches down and jumps not just by using her legs, but she also pushes herself up with her hands. It's both pretty and weird-looking. Anyway, guess where this pose comes from.
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It's part of ZSS's jump animation. Seriously... Seriously, developers, what kind of jump animation is this? It's not even her backwards jump animation which is a regular flip. Her backwards jump animation is just a backflip like most characters. This is an "arch her back and then snap it forward to somersault". I get that ZSS is supposed to be the gymnastics, athletic fighter *cough*Sheikisalreadyone*cough*, but what even is this? Oh, I'm going to arch my back - fanservice -, cover my hair - ponytail clips through thigh -, and then snap forward to do a somersault. Who even does this? Is this even physically possible!? Her double jump is also kind of stupid since she does this pose.

And then transitions to this pose. Girl, are we jumping or free-falling? At least her backwards double jump is just a regular backflip.

Y'know, I just realized that ZSS has Crimson Viper's jet heels and those bangles on her wrists might as well be the thunder gloves C. Viper has. Oh, but genius super soldier here doesn't even make use of them. What are those bangles even for? Accessories? You're a bounty hunter not a honey trap. Oh, and Falco's jump animation is beyond unnecessary: "I'm gonna jump and then twirl after the jump". At least you could justify Sheik's pre-launch as a way to get height, but twirling after the jump?

I like how I ended up ranting about ZSS's animations after responding to BJN39's note of Pally's Dair leg usage.

 

[Rizen]

When is the next patch/new DLC?

 

[EODM07]

When is the next patch/new DLC?

I'm predicting in the first week of February.

 

[Burgundy]

I'm predicting in the first week of February.

Oh please =w=
Though the general consensus around the internet is that it'll come on the 19th along with Fates and the Bayo 2 re-release

 

[wedl!!]

within the 14th-16th of February most likely. Same timeframe as all the other DLC.

 

[Antonykun]

Since 1.1.4 might be the final patch that we'll get girls. What kind of changes do you all hope to see?

I know that I want some changes to Lucina, but seeing as that while damage buffs are good and all. I'd maybe like to see some small buffs given to her. Oh what am I saying? She's gonna get nothing but Damage Buffs. (Which is still good)

Swordfighter getting large disjoints

 

[SBphiloz4]

TFW I found out that footstool combo ages ago but thought Zelda sucks too much to jab lock them afterwards. Guess I was wrong.

But wouldn't back hit Utilt to Nair be a better follow up after the lock? Maybe try doing another footstool Dair lock into Utilt -> Bair? We Lucas now gorls

Big D would also like to say that Dedede is much higher now on tier lists posted on Twitter because of his 49th placement at Genesis, beating out Pink Fresh and Mew2King and the like. :^)

Also someone wants to MM my main against his Zelda. I don't know if this will end well or not.

 

[FullMoon]

I feel like he doesn't insta-lose to rushdown and good frame data like a good chunk of the people in his tier with him. Doc's buffs have been traditionally undervalued and he was probably about where you have him on WiiU launch but the character has improved tremendously (kill confirms off of a throw on all fastfallers with Fair buffs, the buffs letting him kill stupidly early, and his USmash becoming the best USmash in the game period).

Is D-Throw -> F-Air really guaranteed on fastfallers? There's someone here in Brazil who mains Doc and when we played friendlies he never could land it on me.

 

[BJN39]

HmmmmT I guess most of us just complained about the landing lag when we didn't consider it's endlag. That's interesting, I'll try to lab it later to find out for sure because it looks possible but unlikely. I appriciate the information and response. Thanks sisT

Well, let's be clear that the move still has more landing lag than it should, still bad, and complaint worthy

But reducing the endlag would be a comparable decent buff to the move. The improvements cover completely different functions, though, so you'd be choosing one area to buff:

Landing lag buffs would help landing combos or FF/landing usage, while endlag buffs could help it in full aerial usage and NAir to ?? Combos. Both are good, either one of these would be a good buff... can has both plox.

 

[TTTTTsd]

Is D-Throw -> F-Air really guaranteed on fastfallers? There's someone here in Brazil who mains Doc and when we played friendlies he never could land it on me.

It is if you time it right. He probably messed it up but 2ManyCooks lands it consistently in tournament and even against good players like AnTi among others.

If it wasn't real we wouldn't be talking, but just watch Nairo vs. Esam if you must. He hits that a LOT because it works on Pika who has the right weight and fallspeed for it (i.e. most fastfallers)

 

[FullMoon]

It is if you time it right. He probably messed it up but 2ManyCooks lands it consistently in tournament and even against good players like AnTi among others.

If it wasn't real we wouldn't be talking, but just watch Nairo vs. Esam if you must. He hits that a LOT because it works on Pika who has the right weight and fallspeed for it (i.e. most fastfallers)

That's interesting, that guy considers Greninja to be a really terrible MU for Doc (and I didn't really help him think otherwise lol) but I guess having that kill confirm would help make it better

Amusingly he also plays Cloud.

 

[TTTTTsd]

That's interesting, that guy considers Greninja to be a really terrible MU for Doc (and I didn't really help him think otherwise lol) but I guess having that kill confirm would help make it better

Amusingly he also plays Cloud.

I don't think Greninja is that bad honestly. Doc has enough frame data and the best Cape of the Marios which makes Shuriken a lot easier to deal with in neutral because Doc will be shorthopping a lot. Not favorable but doesn't seem awful either IMO.

Blahblah edgeguards with Nado since Gren's Up+B doesn't project a hitbox (this is relevant, not massively game changing but important)

On the bright side you found Brazilian TTTTTsd I guess.

 

[EODM07]

On the bright side you found Brazilian TTTTTsd I guess.

Dammit, I was about to make that comment. D:

 

[buzzard]

Pretty reputable source

 

[FullMoon]

I don't think Greninja is that bad honestly. Doc has enough frame data and the best Cape of the Marios which makes Shuriken a lot easier to deal with in neutral because Doc will be shorthopping a lot. Not favorable but doesn't seem awful either IMO.

Blahblah edgeguards with Nado since Gren's Up+B doesn't project a hitbox (this is relevant, not massively game changing but important)

On the bright side you found Brazilian TTTTTsd I guess.

I don't really think it's a terrible MU either, I don't think there's MUs where Greninja has too big of an advantage other than Ganondorf and maybe Jigglypuff. It's good for Greninja because Doc's low mobility makes him much easier to keep out compared to Mario and he's easier to edgeguard even with Tornado factored in.

He only plays Cloud against me because he hates my Greninja and basically feeds on the fact I have no idea how to fight Cloud =V

 

[TTTTTsd]

I don't really think it's a terrible MU either, I don't think there's MUs where Greninja has too big of an advantage other than Ganondorf and maybe Jigglypuff. It's good for Greninja because Doc's low mobility makes him much easier to keep out compared to Mario and he's easier to edgeguard even with Tornado factored in.

He only plays Cloud against me because he hates my Greninja and basically feeds on the fact I have no idea how to fight Cloud =V

Yeah it's most def winnable.

Doc's only feasibly unrealistic MUs are (IMO)
- Sonic
- RosaLuma
- Maybe Ryu and/or Cloud, dunno about either.

 

[Furret]

...is that you bluecrow?

you know I'd complain a tier list being made at all
and call you a weeb

 

[Macchiato]

Anybody wanna play?

 

[EODM07]

Anybody wanna play?

I'm down for a few matches. Time to see how many mistakes I'll make.

 

[Macchiato]

I'm down for a few matches. Time to see how many mistakes I'll make.

mind hosting?

 

[SBphiloz4]

@evmaxy54 LOL THIS EVENTHUBS ARTICLE COVER PHOTO THO

 

[Rickster]

Gorls, we might have footstool combos now.

BJN39 is this actually true?

Just imagine all the other combo starters we could use after the reset instead of an LK...I'm going to start trying this out more.

I hope some random Zelda player somewhere does this on stream so everyone will freak out at Zelda doing something cool, lol.

 

[BJN39]

I hope some random Zelda player somewhere does this on stream so everyone will freak out at Zelda doing something cool, lol.

That's when we sweep in with BAN•ZELDA and kym BAN•ZELDA page links

 

[Lavani]

tfw zelda is a meme

 

[BJN39]

websearching BAN•ZELDA gives the kym page as the first result

BAN•ZELDA

 

[SBphiloz4]

BJN39 sisT stop using an avatar of a girl that looks like she came out from a hentai you filthy weeb :^)

 

[Kofu]

Look at these hands. Look at them. Look at how chubby they are. Look at his flappy hands. Nina's feet ain't got nothing on Falco's flappy hands.

Also, for more disproportional fun: Bayonetta.

I kind of like when characters' body parts enlarge cartoonishly for attacks. Only kind of, though, since it makes their range larger than it should be. Gotta love Wario's yaoi hands though.

Lavani all this talk makes me want you to test G&W's footstool ability out of DThrow, I know he can land the footstool but when I tested I couldn't get any followups aside from non-meteor DAir (which obviously didn't continue the lock). Only weak FAir and DAir lock (though DAir's landing hit probably screws stuff up). And Judge 2 but lol. Plz sensei, I trust your labbing more than mine.

 

[EODM07]

@evmaxy54 LOL THIS EVENTHUBS ARTICLE COVER PHOTO THO

You should've seen the video MVG posted with @CherubiKnighT and @Mew2King talking random thoughts. It was hilarious.

(Contains foul language)

 

[Ffamran]

I kind of like when characters' body parts enlarge cartoonishly for attacks. Only kind of, though, since it makes their range larger than it should be. Gotta love Wario's yaoi hands though.

Except Falco's hands start off as cartoonishly large. Then you have Fox whose legs grow and his bulbous boots become even more bulbous.

 

[Lavani]

Lavani all this talk makes me want you to test G&W's footstool ability out of DThrow, I know he can land the footstool but when I tested I couldn't get any followups aside from non-meteor DAir (which obviously didn't continue the lock). Only weak FAir and DAir lock (though DAir's landing hit probably screws stuff up). And Judge 2 but lol. Plz sensei, I trust your labbing more than mine.

maybe later i'm playing hyrule warriors

Gotta love Wario's yaoi hands though.

christ

I'm going to lose it every time a wario utilts now

 

[EODM07]

I'm curious if Lucina has any Footstool combos or not.

Since I know a sweetspot DAir can jab lock at low percents. And that she lost her ability to jab lock from FAir > Jab due to Sakurai readjusting the angle of them.

Btw, sorry to ask. But can someone help make my avatar have a transparent background? I was too lazy and just used one of the colours from the Smashboards Black palette.

 

[Kofu]

christ

I'm going to lose it every time a wario utilts now

All according to keikaku*!

*keikaku means plan

 

[BJN39]

BJN39 sisT stop using an avatar of a girl that looks like she came out from a hentai you filthy weeb :^)

oh whaT a coincidence!

My masterpiece is ready


no one will suspecT that I'm actually a Zelda main!

 

[Ffamran]

oh whaT a coincidence!

My masterpiece is ready


no one will suspecT that I'm actually a Zelda main!

Is... Is that a banana?

 

[BJN39]

Is... Is that a banana?

Cheeky, especially coming from an endangered species

 

[Koiba]

I personally thought it was a macoroni with ketchup tbh

 

[Y2Kay]

Except Falco's hands start off as cartoonishly large. Then you have Fox whose legs grow and his bulbous boots become even more bulbous.

I though Falco's hands where cartoonishly big because the double as wings fFAMran

i'm calling you fFAMran from now on btw