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[Trieste SP]

Nope and nobody knows if he has any end lag, animation, or special effects changes. For all we know, Falco has a Jojo pose during his idle animation now. Well, someone said his Bair has electricity effects on the Wii U... I'm sorry for your loss, Zelda.

That's a shame. I was hoping Falco would get some needed improvements since I still main him.

No changes to any melee moves. Reflector/Blaster shots have yet to be mined.

Ah, alright. Thanks for answering.

 

[kenniky]

@ Antonykun

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I just saw @ Shrokatii in our Australian stream chat

 

[Shrokatii]

I just saw @ Shrokatii in our Australian stream chat

the rosalina uair lol

 

[SBphiloz4]

Okay, there is a lot of things that Sakurai has done in this patch that are GOOD. Some low tiers got a lot of new tools that help them out just a little bit more, like Doc apparently has a different and bigger hitbox on his Usmash on the front than Mario to make him a bit different.

But there's also very questionable things like giving Yoshi's Bair spike properties. Falcon's Bair can trip in exchange for 1%. Luigi loses 1% on fair, but that makes it easier to link more fairs and also gets a stronger UpB as a reward. Finally, Sheik's Fair apparently does less damage but more knockback value, while retaining the same frame data (don't count me on this one though a top player from my region said this).


Thanks Sakurai. We love you and question you at the same time.

 

[Soul.]

wait did swordfighter get a side b buff wtf

 

[Macchiato]

OMG THEY BUFFED WIIFITS USMASH. THE FIFTH STRONGEST USMASH IN SMASH.

 

[Berserker.]

Sheik's f-air is still doodily-dumb (that and the character)

Not sure what I'd grade this patch. Some really nice buffs here and there (Shulk <3 and Robin), some buffs that don't really fix the issues of non-top tier characters (basically almost all the buffs in this patch), some other questionable decisions whether it'd be a character lacking buffs/getting unnecessary nerfs or a character lacking nerfs/getting unnecessary buffs....

Eh. 6/10. At least WFT is better now

 

[kenniky]

OMG THEY BUFFED WIIFITS USMASH. THE FIFTH STRONGEST USMASH IN SMASH.

wii fit's usmash was always stupid strong

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...ng_of_smash_attacks_that_kill_vertically_its/

 

[Macchiato]

Sheik's f-air is still doodily-dumb (that and the character)

Not sure what I'd grade this patch. Some really nice buffs here and there (Shulk <3 and Robin), some buffs that don't really fix the issues of non-top tier characters (basically almost all the buffs in this patch), some other questionable decisions whether it'd be a character lacking buffs/getting unnecessary nerfs or a character lacking nerfs/getting unnecessary buffs....

Eh. 6/10. At least WFT is better now

Idk, most of her moves got more range or more KB. They also fixed the grab problem. It can reasonably grab short characters.

 

[Antonykun]

@ Antonykun

BAN*SWORDFIGHTER

 

[KuroganeHammer]

the rosalina uair lol

21%

 

[Burgundy]

OMG THEY BUFFED WIIFITS USMASH. THE FIFTH STRONGEST USMASH IN SMASH.

You're so loud.

 

[Rizen]

Happy birthday @berserker00

 

[kenniky]

So funny thing: Little Mac's fully charged neutral B lasts LONGER.

Yeah.

More time to punish.

LOL

 

[Burgundy]

I'm loving Kirby's buffs ~ <3
Does anyone know if Mii Gunner got buffed/nerfed?

 

[BJN39]

Happy 1 day late birthday @berserker00 :D Obviously we're still partying here because Zorldo buffs, but we can make this your partly as well!

 

[LancerStaff]

Dunno if been answered before, but Dspecial is probably an article, so it's not in the files; Pit's rapid jab finisher got bigger. Dark Pit is unchanged apart from possibly articles.

Thanks... Still doesn't make any sense, unless Dark Pit is running off of Pit's data now.

Meh. I'll take the changes, regardless of how they work.

 

[Shrokatii]

Thanks... Still doesn't make any sense, unless Dark Pit is running off of Pit's data now.

Meh. I'll take the changes, regardless of how they work.

still no pummel fix lol

 

[kenniky]

I'm loving Kirby's buffs ~ <3
Does anyone know if Mii Gunner got buffed/nerfed?

Something got changed with uair but IDK what it is

 

[Cress!]

Something got changed with uair but IDK what it is

Last hit of uair does 1% more.

But I think missiles are quicker and homing missiles home in better now or something like that?

 

[Dee-SmashinBoss]

How do people know how strong their characters moves are?
Someone said WFTs is now the 5th strongest Usmash
And a Jiggs player said her bair was 4th strongest....how do you figure this out?
Is there a site?

Zelda's Utilt must be faster or something with increased Base Knockback? Now it doesn't combo as well
But does it kill earlier? It better.

 

[Ffamran]

I love how people are freaking out over Fox's jab change. He can still jab cancel like normal unlike Link whose jab cancel was butchered. Oh, and his Reflector has stronger knockback, so he can semi-spike with a frame 6 move. I don't see Fox going down or up; he's fine. As for Luigi... Really? Thanks for making him even stronger with somewhat increased end lag on his Fireball, developers... Meanwhile, Falco.

 

[Darktundra]

I wish down tilt got the three frame lag reduction that up tilt received

 

[kenniky]

How do people know how strong their characters moves are?
Someone said WFTs is now the 5th strongest Usmash
And a Jiggs player said her bair was 4th strongest....how do you figure this out?
Is there a site?

Zelda's Utilt must be faster or something with increased Base Knockback? Now it doesn't combo as well
But does it kill earlier? It better.

Zelda's utilt has the exact same knockback as before.

 

[Soul.]

>goes to pikachu boards
>ness matchup thread
>apparently 7-3 Ness

 

[FullMoon]

This patch was so good omg.

Both of my characters got some nice buffs.

 

[kenniky]

@ Cress!

Laser Blaze 3.6% -> 4%

Lunar Launch hitbox angle 70 -> 55

more projectiles to come

 

[Soul.]

lmao ZeRo's Twitter
"So Nintendo wants me to play Luigi? Is that so? :D"
"[...] they change Falcon's back air and jab but refuse to change Luigi"

 

[kenniky]

@ LancerStaff Dark Pit's arrow 3.3% -> 3.7% http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/pitb_bowarrow.html

EDIT: wait there is no 3.3% on anything

what

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

this patch was amazing. Most characters got a lot of cool stuff they really needed. Especially Wii Fit Trainer. She got a whole bunch of buffs.

 

[BJN39]

DANT'S PATCHLIST NOW COVERS PHANTOM OMG

 

[SBphiloz4]

MY FIRST TIME PLAYING FOR GLORY IN 1.5 MONTHS AND THIS HAPPENS

Already one step closer to making another compilation video tbh, this time in decent quality for once~

 

[Burgundy]

Godamn I need to practice bad. I haven't played in a couple weeks and it's really showing. xo

Edit: LUCAS I SAID PK THUNDER NOT FIRE UGHGHG

 

[LancerStaff]

@ LancerStaff Dark Pit's arrow 3.3% -> 3.7% http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/pitb_bowarrow.html

EDIT: wait there is no 3.3% on anything

what

Thought it was 3.5... Well, whatever. How about the knockback on Dark Pit's arrows?

 

[EODM07]

MY FIRST TIME PLAYING FOR GLORY IN 1.5 MONTHS AND THIS HAPPENS

Already one step closer to making another compilation video tbh, this time in decent quality for once~

Didn't wave. Worst Zelda replay.

DANT'S PATCHLIST NOW COVERS PHANTOM OMG

I'm glad they buffed the Phantom. Now it'll have some viable usage.

Also, rip Pac-Man. Hydrant Glitch has returned.

 

[NekoJubei]

In the next patch they should add a windbox that pulls people into the black hole thingy when charging the Phantom

 

[BJN39]

Phantom Slash
Minimum charge
    windbox
        wkb 0 -> 40
        kbg 0 -> 100
    hitbox
        x 14.0 - 20.0 -> 10.0 - 20.0
Medium charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 55
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        wkb 20/9 -> 40/30
        x both 10.0 -> both 9.0 - 14.0 (stretchy hitbox)
    hitbox
        x 16.0 - 23.0 -> 12.0 - 23.0
Maximum charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 60
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        wkb 25/12 -> 60/50
        x both 10.0 -> both 9.0 - 14.0 (stretchy hitbox)
        re-hit rate 5F -> 4F
    hit 1 hitbox
        x 2.0 - 15.0 -> -4.0 - 15.0

Phantom Breaker
Minimum charge
    windbox
        wkb 0 -> 40
        kbg 0 -> 100
    hitbox
        x 14-20 -> 10-20
Medium charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 55
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        wkb 20/9 -> 40/30
        x both 10.0 -> both 14.0
    hitbox
        x 16.0 - 23.0 -> 12.0 - 23.0
Maximum charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 60
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        wkb 25/12 -> 60/50
        x both 10.0 -> both 14.0
        re-hit rate 5F -> 4F
    hit 1 hitbox
        x 2.0 - 15.0 -> -4.0 - 15.0

Phantom Strike
Minimum charge
    windbox
        wkb 0 -> 40
        kbg 0 -> 100
    hitbox
        x 14-20 -> 10-20
Medium charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 55
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        x both 10.0 -> both 14.0
    hitbox
        x 16.0 - 23.0 -> 12.0 - 23.0
Maximum charge
    windbox 1
        wkb 0 -> 60
        kbg 0 -> 100
    windbox 2/3
        x both 10.0 -> both 14.0
        re-hit rate 5F -> 4F
    hit 1 hitbox
        x 2.0 - 15.0 -> -4.0 - 15.0

That's a bunch of things, lots of cleanup. Mostly wkb edits and hitbox coordinate stretches to improve function. @ KuroganeHammer what would the param 0xC0800000L equate to as an x-coordinate? My guess was -0.6, but the seems weird/off.

 

[Macchiato]

anyone wanna play?

 

[Soul.]

huh, so the Thunder Wave infinite was indeed removed.
k, that's gone. will the whining stop?