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[Trieste SP]

I'm still kinda salty Sheik got something useful like Bouncing Fish but Zelda got Phantom which is mostly useless.

 

[NekoJubei]

I'm still kinda salty Sheik got something useful like Bouncing Fish but Zelda got Phantom which is mostly useless.

Sakurai can make it useful
IF HE REALIZES THAT OUR PHANTOM IS MOSTLY BOOTY

 

[warionumbah2]

@ Macchiato how did you lose to that awesomedudes LM when you were using ZSS? Zelda's understandable but ZSS.

Don't worry tho i camped his LM on SV just for you. 3 stock total destruction, i made him my *****.

 

[Trieste SP]

Sakurai can make it useful
IF HE REALIZES THAT OUR PHANTOM IS MOSTLY BOOTY

He can but I don't think he will anytime soon.

 

[BJN39]

Wait, if Macchi's gonna be at Xanadu, does that mean his battles may be locatable on a stream or VGBC YT?

 

[Macchiato]

@ Macchiato how did you lose to that awesomedudes LM when you were using ZSS? Zelda's understandable but ZSS.

Don't worry tho i camped his LM on SV just for you. 3 stock total destruction, i made him my *****.

I don't know this MU at all. Idk what to do against macs

Also I played this guy, leech. He lost to my Peach bad so he accused me of turning up the launch ratio and cheating so then he left me an angry message. Not just that, he checked the ratio and it was x1.0 so he changed it to x2.0 without telling me.

 

[BJN39]

I'm more under the impression the Phantom regen timer increase was already coming down the docket, after Rosalina's Luma timer change, and the 3F end lag reduction and 10F Phantom blocking time increase were just ways for Sakurai to kind of lessen the blow.

Tbh the regen timer increase is hardly a blow to Zelda. I'm not gonna go blind Rosalinda and say it was a buff, but I hardly ever notice it. Not that the "buffs" are at all noticeable either. >_>

 

[Lorde]

Phantom is trash and I never use it. It's fun when you charge it up at the beginning of a match on FG and the opponent just blindly runs into it, though.

Zelda should've got something cool like the Dominion Rod or something to do with her rapier. The light arrows could've been fantastic, but it's already wasted as her final smash.

 

[Soul.]

legalize final smashes they arent broken !!

 

[Antonykun]

Wait, if Macchi's gonna be at Xanadu, does that mean his battles may be locatable on a stream or VGBC YT?

if he makes it far enough then yes he might but there are some serious killers in xanadu

 

[Berserker.]

Is Macchiato still allergic to Luigi?

 

[Ffamran]

Hair physics can be hard to program. I think in Frozen Elsa's hair goes through her arm.

I know, but they could have tried to make it less noticeable when you pay attention. For Elsa, they purposely did that since trying to make it flow normally caused animation issues. Zelda's stiff braids and Palutena's giant weave of a hair...

 

[JigglyZelda003]

I'm more under the impression the Phantom regen timer increase was already coming down the docket, after Rosalina's Luma timer change, and the 3F end lag reduction and 10F Phantom blocking time increase were just ways for Sakurai to kind of lessen the blow.

Tbh the regen timer increase is hardly a blow to Zelda. I'm not gonna go blind Rosalinda and say it was a buff, but I hardly ever notice it. Not that the "buffs" are at all noticeable either. >_>

only buffs that are noticable are Usmash and Fsmash lol. and they are both still bad moves as a whole

Phantom is trash and I never use it. It's fun when you charge it up at the beginning of a match on FG and the opponent just blindly runs into it, though.

Zelda should've got something cool like the Dominion Rod or something to do with her rapier. The light arrows could've been fantastic, but it's already wasted as her final smash.

I personally feel Phantom fits Zelda's "implied" type of playstyle its just Phantom needs some tweaks to make it usable as a whole not here and there.

 

[Berserker.]

I think I realized why I like using Falco from time to time

I had a conversation with @Kofu (on his profile) then I said: "Even the 'bad' characters are fun in their own brand of ingenuity and horrible-ness (which isn't a real word lol)." I feel like this is the case for Falco when it comes to my thoughts on the character

 

[LancerStaff]

If you're trying to tell me Falco plays similarly to Fox and Lucas plays similarly to Ness, you're absolutely insane.

How many moves does Falco share with Fox? Even visually, Blaster, Illusion/Phantasm, Fire Fox/Bird, Landmaster, usmash, dsmash, dtilt, dash attack, dair, and throws/pummels; ftilt to an extent. 14, maybe 15 moves. Every single one of these moves has different properties between each character, though, and serve different functions.

Similarly, what moves does Lucas share with Ness? Freeze, Fire, Thunder, Magnet, Starstorm, fsmash, uair, and pummel. 8 moves. Once again, these moves all have different properties and are used for different things.

Now let's look at Luigi and Mario. They share Fireball, Super Jump Punch, ftilt, dtilt, usmash, dsmash, nair, bair, uair, pummel, fthrow, bthrow, and uthrow. 13 moves. If you're going to call Lucas a clone of Ness, you're calling Luigi a clone of Mario; and Falco/Fox aren't too far off either.

Kirby and Jigglypuff: ftilt, utilt, dtilt, fsmash, dsmash, dair, pummel, bthrow. 8 moves. Jigglypuff/Kirby is a clone pair the same way Lucas/Ness is a clone pair.

Ike and King Dedede: fsmash, dsmash, fair, bair, dair, and pummel. 6 moves. Not too far from Ness/Lucas.

Please stop using incorrect terminology.

Being a clone isn't purely about playstyle. It's mostly about where the character came from. Lucas clearly was built off of Ness, considering he switches over to Ness's idle animation when holding an item. Just switching out an animation or two and changing the properties isn't enough to not make them a clone. Especially when we have clones who's playstyle solely comes from being worse then their originals, which is most of them.

Considering Jigglypuff actually is a clone of Kirby and Luigi a clone of Mario, that's correct. Part of why they were chosen chosen in the first place.

Incorrect terminology? Am I not allowed to call Kirby pink because he has red feet? When X is "semi" something, it is something. On the flipside, where's this imaginary border between clone and semi-clone placed? What's the point in even using the terminology when everybody is going to bicker about it?

 

[Lorde]

Incorrect terminology? Am I not allowed to call Kirby pink because he has red feet? When X is "semi" something, it is something. On the flipside, where's this imaginary border between clone and semi-clone placed? What's the point in even using the terminology when everybody is going to bicker about it?

You should probably cool it with the logical fallacies lmao

and here's a fun quote for you:

Semi-clone is a term used as a sort of midway point being "clone" and "non-clone". Semi-clones share some of their moveset with another character, and may have some similarity in physics, but have enough unique about them that calling them a "clone" wouldn't be entirely accurate. Different players have different opinions of how unique a character has to be to move from "clone" to "semi-clone" status; some players tend to emphasize the importance of special moves for character comparison, for example.

also, i suggest you read this: http://www.wikihow.com/Develop-a-Friendly-Tone-of-Voice

 

[Berserker.]

Whelp. Semantics

Edit: Basically what Spritzee says but if you still persist with how you perceive what a clone is, then ok

 

[Antonykun]

customs talk again?!

 

[Soul.]

Customs always bring on the flames. Why can't we all just shut up and play the game how we want...
No, unified ruleset is never happening.

 

[ZombieBran]

Zelda should've got something cool like the Dominion Rod

HW Zelda makes me dream about the possibilities of a not tr4sh summon.

 

[Lorde]

HW Zelda makes me dream about the possibilities of a not tr4sh summon.

I was just playing HW so that's why I even brought it up lol. The dominion rod is cool af and I like it a lot.

 

[kenniky]

Just switching out an animation or two and changing the properties isn't enough to not make them a clone.

What about switching out, oh, I don't know, 75% of their moveset?

When X is "semi" something, it is something.

Are you saying that ZeRo, Abadango, Nairo, and Mr. R all made it to Winners Finals? Semifinals and finals are the same thing, no? Are you trying to tell me that this

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is the same as this?

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Because if you are, you need to reevaluate your life and maybe go back to second grade.

I don't know why you come in here if all you do is antagonize everyone and spread misinformation.

 

[Lorde]

why has this thread devolved into attacking others and generally being rude?

even on the internet, being a ****head to others isn't cool

 

[ZombieBran]

The only clone in Sm4sh is Mewtwo

plus Dark Pit ayyyy

 

[r_greening1]

why has this thread devolved into attacking others and generally being rude?

even on the internet, being a ****head to others isn't cool

Spoiler

Does this help? :^)

 

[NekoJubei]

A-anyways.. I know I posted this earlier but do we still get invincibility frames by doing a Roll Cancel Pivot Grab? Because it looks like it

Or maybe we borrowed some of Sheik's power and our Pivot Grab it's that fast

 

[Lorde]

A-anyways.. I know I posted this earlier but do we still get invincibility frames by doing a Roll Cancel Pivot Grab? Because it looks like it

Or maybe we borrowed some of Sheik's power and our Pivot Grab it's that fast

You can see what happened pretty clearly if you slow the video down. The Jigglypuff bairs and you roll right through it and then grab. You were invincible because of the roll.

And Zelda's pivot grab comes out on frame 11.

 

[NekoJubei]

You can see what happened pretty clearly if you slow the video down. The Jigglypuff bairs and you roll right through it and then grab. You were invincible because of the roll.

And Zelda's pivot grab comes out on frame 11.

Oh I see.. just making sure.. I'll be writing that down

 

[EODM07]

I need to get the hang of RCPGing. But I can't be bothered to learn advanced stuff like that. :V

Also, I'll best get to watching some Gintama 2015 and Ore Monogatari tonight.

 

[Macchiato]

Is Macchiato still allergic to Luigi?

I'm allergic to Zelda

so now I don't main her

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

@ Macchiato Good luck at Xanadu!!! I'm sure you'll do great. Make sure that you make Zelda seem broken

 

[Ffamran]

I'm allergic to Zelda

so now I don't main her

I DON'T HAVE ALCOHOL! LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO ME!!!

 

[Cress!]

This argument reminds me of this 1 person on Miiverse complaining about how Robin and Ness were total clones of each other because their side Bs were "exactly the same". -_- I then said something like "are you calling all characters with fire in their moveset clones???"

Then he reported me.

 

[Macchiato]

@ Macchiato Good luck at Xanadu!!! I'm sure you'll do great. Make sure that you make Zelda seem broken

Idk anout Zelda, I haven't used her in days and it's kinda showing. I've been doing Peach tech stuff and now my Zelda isn't... good.

why has this thread devolved into attacking others and generally being rude?

even on the internet, being a ****head to others isn't cool

Because we are

if he makes it far enough then yes he might but there are some serious killers in xanadu

I've been playing Feel Tension, Xanadus best fox lately and he thinks that I could make it really far. No matter what, I have faith in myself and will try my best. I want people to know that I can play smash well, the money would be a bonus.

 

[ZombieBran]

I'm allergic to Zelda

so now I don't main her

gorl, why are you maining Mewtwo

 

[Macchiato]

gorl, why are you maining Mewtwo

because he's bad

 

[NekoJubei]

I will forever main Zelda and I will always be, every other character is boring for me except Lucas, he is fun af
But anyways, I wanna go to my locals one day, I want to abuse all these Zelda techs like Ledge Cancelling and stuff because she is a high risk high reward character and well sometimes you have to take risks.
And of course, win with sass

 

[LonkQ]

I hope I can get on stream at my next local. I'll use Dair so much it'll be like I'm really playing .

 

[Koiba]

I hope I can get on stream at my next local. I'll use Dair so much it'll be like I'm really playing .

Good luck then~

 

[kenniky]

I will forever main Zelda and I will always be, every other character is boring for me except Lucas, he is fun af
But anyways, I wanna go to my locals one day, I want to abuse all these Zelda techs like Ledge Cancelling and stuff because she is a high risk high reward character and well sometimes you have to take risks.
And of course, win with sass

then why is Pikachu your 3DS main