Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[elusiveTranscendent]

Idk the problem with the idea of banning a select few customs is that there's way too many customs and discussion that it'll never get done. Too many factors to really lead to a reasonable conclusion, I guess.

It's really all either or.

 

[Macchiato]

I feel like everyone shouldn't be able to use customs except Zelda

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

That hair flip animation is still so disgusting to me......


Eww



Also, Zelda is dressed so strangely. She has this really low cut tank top like dress and then big goofy shoulder pads that must barely be hanging onto the thin straps around her shoulders. Then she has the long elegant gloves that go past her elbow. Then the Hylian symbol thing that is probably stitched into her skin.


But really how does she fight with earrings?

The Zelda Social: Putting down Zelda's moveset and clothing

 

[Furret]

oh we talking about banning things now, my favorite discussion

 

[Cress!]

Banning certain moves is a bit extreme, almost like banning all neutral B's.

I could see them banning certain combinations that are too good though. I can't think of any, but it'd be fine if they said "32XX is banned for ____________."

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Ban everything because I'm unfamiliar with it so that automatically means it's jank and broken

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

Ban everything because I'm unfamiliar with it so that automatically means it's jank and broken

Yeah lol

People complain that customs are OP yet look at EVO's top 32 players. If I'm recalling correctly, only one player made it there using "jank" customs (CaptainAwsum). Plus, nobody has actually won a big tournament using said jank customs. DKWill nor CaptainAwsum, two of the most prominent players who use "broken" customs have yet to win a major tournament utilizing their strategies.

 

[Furret]

Oh and just to give my two cents on this discussion, the only thing looking ban worthy at this point in time is teams involving
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unless Nintendo actually fixes that

 

[NekoJubei]

They should really ban Lucas's customs...
I mean seriously? Ness's PK Fire AND PK Thunder combined with a Tether??
Don't get me started on Lucas's PK Flash that moves likes PK Freeze and kills you at 80%....
Maybe in the future....

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

You guys know what we REALLY need to ban?

 

[ぱみゅ]

Oh and just to give my two cents on this discussion, the only thing looking ban worthy at this point in time is teams involving
/
unless Nintendo actually fixes that

The problem is not Sheik+GnW. The real problem here is the Bucket mechanics.

This is the second time the move gets a strategy that breaks the metagame.

 

[Macchiato]

You guys know what we REALLY need to ban?

BAN•ZELDA

 

[Nammy12]

Imagine if some default specials were customs.

Like if Sheik's needles/bouncing fish were customs then lots of people probably want to ban them. However, they get a free pass because they're defaults.

Let's start banning default specials.

I don't think banning specific customs will be good for the community since you can't satisfy everybody and it could end up splitting it even further.

 

[NekoJubei]

If I could describe our community in one word it would be
S A V A G E

 

[Macchiato]

Imagine if some default specials were customs.

Like if Sheik's needles/bouncing fish were customs then lots of people probably want to ban them. However, they get a free pass because they're defaults.

Let's start banning default specials.

I don't think banning specific customs will be good for the community since you can't satisfy everybody and it could end up splitting it even further.

Oh yes, we can finally ban the most broken move.



Din's Failure

 

[Soul.]

Brawl doubles was amazing. I don't know what happened in 3DS/Wii U. The norm is basically "Everything + "
Also this community is incredibly whiny so I wouldn't be surprised if we reach a general consensus in "the majority wants customs off because -insert tl;dr-"

 

[NekoJubei]

Just give us PM Din's Fire and slap it on Din's Blaze and we good

 

[Rizen]

There's no point in banning specific moves; that's stupid. The best course of action is don't allow customs period.

 

[LancerStaff]

Yeah lol

People complain that customs are OP yet look at EVO's top 32 players. If I'm recalling correctly, only one player made it there using "jank" customs (CaptainAwsum). Plus, nobody has actually won a big tournament using said jank customs. DKWill nor CaptainAwsum, two of the most prominent players who use "broken" customs have yet to win a major tournament utilizing their strategies.

So then they're pointless?

 

[NekoJubei]

Lol I won't be surprised if one day we start discussing about custom stages
EDIT: A-although t-that would be cool....

 

[ぱみゅ]

There's no point in banning specific moves; that's stupid. The best course of action is don't allow customs period.

Why are Palutena and Wii Fit not allowed to be top contestants?

 

[BJN39]

We should just ban all the characters in the game aside Din's Fire. That would be the TRUE test of skill :^)

 

[Jestar]

I think we should all do what the new thread title says:

BAN•EVERYTHING

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

So then they're pointless?

How so?

 

[Nammy12]

How so?

I'm guessing probably because the majority of top 8 didn't use customs that much making them not necessary.

 

[LancerStaff]

How so?

Nobody good used them. Just save yourself the effort and turn them off if they don't make a difference.

 

[Koiba]

mfw I missed the Lucina hate talk

mfw there's custom talk

 

[NekoJubei]

Nobody good used them. Just save yourself the effort and turn them off if they don't make a difference.

Lol that's so mean

 

[kenniky]

Watching this EC v WC crew battle

@|ven| I see your tag

 

[Rizen]

Why are Palutena and Wii Fit not allowed to be top contestants?

Let me answer that with another question: why is little Mac doomed to be bottom tier with horribly skewed MUs (with customs allowed)? Or how about why give pikachu a 0-death combo with paralizing jolts, etc? Why let villager plank when the ledge mechanics were designed to stop planking because it was BS in Brawl? Why make characters without jank customs drop in rank?

Overall customs make SSB4 more like Brawl: more campy, gimmicky, polarized MUs, with longer setup time, and less balanced than SSB4 vanilla.
The whole pro-custom argument seems to be "customs aren't OP so people can get used to them (true)" but not taking into account how much jankier they make the game. It was never about "banning customs" it was about "trying customs" because vanilla SSB4 is the original game. Pro customs (not anti-customs) people want to change the rules to make SSB4 less balanced and more janky.

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

Nobody good used them. Just save yourself the effort and turn them off if they don't make a difference.

Well duh. The customs meta is much less explored compared to the non customs meta, I guess, so of course it's the more tried and true strategies that had success.

And plus, why remove? The option's there. Your argument hinges off the fact that they're not being used, which they are. There's no hurt in having them being an option other than the additional time it takes to set up.

In the end, I don't really care about customs being on or off though. I use default Greninja. lol

 

[SBphiloz4]

Zelda is the most cancerous character to the Sm4sh meta game because her presence makes her opponents forget to shield and throw laggy attacks which nets her free Farore's Winds and 40% kills. She also has the most disrespectful move in the game that is Din's Fire and killing with such a move is the ultimate sign of jank and broken cancerness

BAN•ZELDA

 

[elusiveTranscendent]

Let me answer that with another question: why is little Mac doomed to be bottom tier with horribly skewed MUs (with customs allowed)? Or how about why give pikachu a 0-death combo with paralizing jolts, etc? Why let villager plank when the ledge mechanics were designed to stop planking because it was BS in Brawl? Why make characters without jank customs drop in rank?

Overall customs make SSB4 more like Brawl: more campy, gimmicky, polarized MUs, with longer setup time, and less balanced than SSB4 vanilla.
The whole pro-custom argument seems to be "customs aren't OP so people can get used to them (true)" but not taking into account how much jankier they make the game. It was never about "banning customs" it was about "trying customs" because vanilla SSB4 is the original game. Pro customs (not anti-customs) people want to change the rules to make SSB4 less balanced and more janky.

See, this is a good point about customs and their problems.

 

[Antonykun]

welcome to the zelda social where we argue about customs despite zelda having irrelevant customs

 

[Locke 06]

I approve of this new title.

-insert Zelda clap-

 

[r_greening1]

>mfw reading these arguements

 

[LonkQ]

Maybe if we ban Zelda, people will think she's actually good.

 

[Antonykun]

reminding everyone that I'm the best Swordfighter main in this thread (@Trieste SP is hidden somewhere right now so i can be right)

 

[LancerStaff]

Well duh. The customs meta is much less explored compared to the non customs meta, I guess, so of course it's the more tried and true strategies that had success.

And plus, why remove? The option's there. Your argument hinges off the fact that they're not being used, which they are. There's no hurt in having them being an option other than the additional time it takes to set up.

In the end, I don't really care about customs being on or off though. I use default Greninja. lol

So then they actually will matter when people start using them... Making the whole "you don't need customs" thing untrue.

Why turn them off? Because they're not balanced whatsoever.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

A summary of people arguing about customs or no customs: