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[Rickster]

Will there ever be a character that'll have an even MU against Rosalatency? Besides herself. :V
The only time I fought a Rosaleopard was on FG and it made me very salty. But that was ages ago.

I seriously need to learn the MU against her.

Also, saw Gintama & Ore Monogatari!!. The episodes were awesome. :yeahboi;

I kinda want someone to edit this gif to be Palucina related. With Sakurai walking in.

Or just edit it to however you want it to be. :V

Well we listed the MU as 49:51 so that's kinda close...

 

[Kofu]

Throw blaster seems to be programed as part of the throw and not like normal B blaster. I wonder if throw blaster cannot be reflected?
Do Falco's customs increase his throw damage/KB?

While I'm at it, what would you say are Falco's best custom moves?

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Can you link them? Japan often has more questionable material in games than western cultures.

Throw blaster can be reflected.

 

[EODM07]

Well we listed the MU as 49:51 so that's kinda close...

I think the main problem is that I always seem to get in the way of the Luma. And with the HP buff it got, it won't be going away anytime soon. Guess I need to be patient against Rosaluna.

 

[Koiba]

I'll play! Just give me a min or two to get online

I'll get a room on then

 

[Baskerville]

Throw blaster seems to be programed as part of the throw and not like normal B blaster. I wonder if throw blaster cannot be reflected?
Do Falco's customs increase his throw damage/KB?

While I'm at it, what would you say are Falco's best custom moves?

Pretty much do the same damage and knockback, even the Not Fox laser custom.

 

[Rizen]

^Okay thanks.

 

[Rickster]

I think the main problem is that I always seem to get in the way of the Luma. And with the HP buff it got, it won't be going away anytime soon. Guess I need to be patient against Rosaluna.

I find that just hitting it off the ledge works best for getting rid of it. I love it when it gets KO'd again as soon as it respwns, lol.

I prefer to try and go in on Rosalinda. You really have to take advantage of her Lumaless state.

 

[EODM07]

I find that just hitting it off the ledge works best for getting rid of it. I love it when it gets KO'd again as soon as it respwns, lol.

I prefer to try and go in on Rosalinda. You really have to take advantage of her Lumaless state.

Fair enough. I'll try and keep that in mind when I go in with my mains.

 

[Koiba]

Will there ever be a character that'll have an even MU against Rosalatency? Besides herself. :V
The only time I fought a Rosaleopard was on FG and it made me very salty. But that was ages ago.

I seriously need to learn the MU against her.

Also, saw Gintama & Ore Monogatari!!. The episodes were awesome.

I kinda want someone to edit this gif to be Palucina related. With Sakurai walking in.

Or just edit it to however you want it to be. :V

After I play with Souflee I can help you if you want

 

[EODM07]

After I play with Souflee I can help you if you want

Awesome. Just send me a PM when you're ready.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Just passing by for some glorious "Roy Glory". In Roll Glory of course.

 

[Ffamran]

Throw blaster seems to be programed as part of the throw and not like normal B blaster. I wonder if throw blaster cannot be reflected?
Do Falco's customs increase his throw damage/KB?

I know that, but why were they programmed that way? Falco has the best and worst kill throws because of that since they're really unreliable, but they can catch people off guard and they look hilarious. Falco could have just gotten different throws or something, but then people would complain about Falco having kill throws (that aren't as powerful as Sonic, Ness, or Lucas's).

Customs don't affect anything as far as I know and his lasers are kind of stupidly disjointed during throws. It's like a rectangle surrounding the hitbox at times compared to his usual thing lasers. The hitbox sort of matches Explosive Blaster's more than his regular and Burst Blaster's.

While I'm at it, what would you say are Falco's best custom moves?

Blaster = Burst Blaster = Explosive Blaster. It's all about play style with these and what you want to do; default's for interrupting and gimping, Burst for tacking on damage quickly, and Explosive for edgeguarding shenanigans.

Falco Phantasm >= Falco Phase >? Falco Charge. Once again, play style decisions; Phantasm if you want to do damage and have the ability to soft spike people, Phase if you want to I-frame dash through things and potentially safer recovery, but it has a slightly shorter travel distance and longer end lag?, and Charge is just there waiting for people to actually figure out if it's butt or not.

Fire Bird <= Fast Fire Bird > Distant Fire Bird. Fire Bird's your default choice and there's nothing wrong with it other than as an overall recovery move, it sucks, but of the 3, it's the most balanced choice, Fast Fire Bird is great for a quicker, but shorter recovery and it gives Falco another burst movement alongside Falco Phantasm and Phase, and the argument for Distant Fire Bird is that Falco can go deeper to edgeguard people, but most of the cast already can't deal with how far Falco goes off-stage. Distant Fire Bird's longer charge time and slower travel speed is made up by traveling half of Final Destination; it still travels less than Fox's default Fire Fox. I don't see the reason for its use when you can already go deep with default Fire Bird and Fast Fire Bird gives Falco another option to travel quickly and in more angles than just straight ahead and on stages with walls, he can just use the wall to make Fast Fire Bird cover the same distance as default Fire Bird.

Reflector = Reflector Void > Accele-Reflector. Depends on MU for Reflector and Reflector Void. So, say, against Link, Reflector Void can still reflect Link's projectiles, but Reflector Void has 13 frames of startup while Reflector has 5, but if you've got the timing, then whatever. Now, against say, Ganondorf who has no projectiles, Reflector Void probably makes more sense there. Reflector Void gives Falco another aerial kill tool and a launcher on the ground while being disjointed, but it's a slower poke tool compared to default Reflector; Reflector Void is also kind of like Melee Falco's Reflector since it sends people up. Accele-Reflector is basically Wolf's Reflector functioning like Falco's, but without the intangibility frames, comes out slower at frame 9, and doesn't reflect the way back. It's a cool idea with being able to speed up projectiles, but the fact it's slower, does 2% instead of default's 5%, can't reflect when yo-yoing back, and has little knockback makes it that much worse of an option. If it was frame 4, then hell yeah, this could be a decent option for certain MUs, but as of now, no and I don't see it being changed until Smash 5 comes out and even then, it might not make it into Smash 5.

Edit: Why is the AI so... derpy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlc9utXY5co?

 

[Koiba]

Awesome. Just send me a PM when you're ready.

You need any MU'S?

 

[Antonykun]

Use MK so i can tell you how much you suck.

That's my thing y'know, like soul saying 'eh' all the time or going on about pikachu or 3ds. fullmoon making everything related to greninja for no reason, fframran ranting about pointless ****, eodmo7 being a weab, machiato not sticking with one char etc.

now i wonder what my thing is

 

[EODM07]

You need any MU'S?

Most likely too. I'll have two matches against each with my different mains.

So that might be about 32 matches we'll have. Since I'll be using Bowser, Shulk, Lucina & Roy. Or we can just stick to one match per main.

So it'll go:
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Then all four vs DP, Puff and Pikachu afterwards.

Since I've set it to 3 stocks 8 minutes. Might be enough for me to learn the MUs with all of them.
So that'll be sixteen matches.

 

[Benishigure]

I heard the nerfs dropped him from top 5-ish to mid- tier. So yeah, that's a little scary. Scarier than B-gorls's Aoba cake (The one new gorl who mains Sheik, sorry I couldn't remember how to spell your name!)

B-gorl

I am... totally okay with this name.

Also, you can refer to my signature. Because that's totally how you spell my name


jfc it's like 7am I'm going back to sleep

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Why do people assume that if I'm not approaching the match shouldn't start LOL
Gotta work on my Sheik for SKTAR
anyone want to play?

 

[warionumbah2]

now i wonder what my thing is

@ Antonykun = Swordspider guy that bashes Swordspider cuz Swordspider is bad.
@Lavani = Frame data guru with that creepy Luigi avatar
@Aerodrome = Best artist of this generation and does frame data stuff
@ FullMoon = Brings up Greninja in CCI when it has nothing to do with Greninja. Example: Random member - Man 'X' struggles with fast characters. FM - Well just so you know has the best mobility in the game counting fastfall,ground speed and aerial speed and he can also do this and that and this and that. I think he wins this MU he goes even with everyone.
@ EODM07 = Weab
@ warionumbah2 = SF3 fanboy who bashes any MK he sees. MK is lowtier btw
@ Ffamran = Does silly rants that take up your whole page, usually about how bad Falco is and questioning Sakurai's impeccable logic.
@Macchiato = Self explanatory, everyones a mid tier folks
@bluecrow = posts pairing pics or pics in general
@Soul. = Edgy Pika main who adores his 3ds. Example: Heavy skull bash is broken, soooo wat about the 3ds custom music? blah blah pika blah blah broken blah blah QA blah blah Eh Eh Eh Eh Eh Eh
@Berserker. = Waifu avy guy who's got the 'Macchitoto' thing going on
@ Aunt Jemima = Silly Kirby main in every sense of the word.


that's all i got.

 

[Rizen]

Why do people assume that if I'm not approaching the match shouldn't start LOL
Gotta work on my Sheik for SKTAR
anyone want to play?

I will. I need Sheik MU exp with my characters.

 

[Ffamran]

Swear words like the W-word and N-word, but man, I'm glad I gave up on For Glory. I mean, how the **** do you tier ***** with Dr. Mario? Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fT1OOmJ8Ew.

 

[EODM07]

@ EODM07 = Weab

Why thank you.

Gotta work on my Sheik for SKTAR
anyone want to play?

And that I'll be practicing with @ Koiba to learn the MUs against Rosa, DP, Puff and Pika.

 

[Rizen]

Why do people assume that if I'm not approaching the match shouldn't start LOL
Gotta work on my Sheik for SKTAR
anyone want to play?

I made a room if you want to join. I can go other characters than Link too.

 

[Rickster]

Why do people assume that if I'm not approaching the match shouldn't start LOL
Gotta work on my Sheik for SKTAR
anyone want to play?

If you still want to play after you're done with Rizen, let me know. I need Sheik MU experience... badly. I haven't fought a good one (it's like MK from Brawl all over again lol).

 

[Antonykun]

@ Antonykun = Swordspider guy that bashes Swordspider cuz Swordspider is bad.
@Lavani = Frame data guru with that creepy Luigi avatar
@Aerodrome = Best artist of this generation and does frame data stuff
@ FullMoon = Brings up Greninja in CCI when it has nothing to do with Greninja. Example: Random member - Man 'X' struggles with fast characters. FM - Well just so you know has the best mobility in the game counting fastfall,ground speed and aerial speed and he can also do this and that and this and that. I think he wins this MU he goes even with everyone.
@ EODM07 = Weab
@ warionumbah2 = SF3 fanboy who bashes any MK he sees. MK is lowtier btw
@ Ffamran = Does silly rants that take up your whole page, usually about how bad Falco is and questioning Sakurai's impeccable logic.
@Macchiato = Self explanatory, everyones a mid tier folks
@bluecrow = posts pairing pics or pics in general
@Soul. = Edgy Pika main who adores his 3ds. Example: Heavy skull bash is broken, soooo wat about the 3ds custom music? blah blah pika blah blah broken blah blah QA blah blah Eh Eh Eh Eh Eh Eh
@Berserker. = Waifu avy guy who's got the 'Macchitoto' thing going on
@ Aunt Jemima = Silly Kirby main in every sense of the word.


that's all i got.

Beyond Relevant

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

@ Koiba BAN SKYLOFT LOL

 

[Ffamran]

Are you kidding me?! WHY IS ROY FASTER THAN META KNIGHT! What is this? Make Roy into Captain Falcon... Oh, wait. And of course Falco's slower than Lucas. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktc6LK9lAU0.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

I will. I need Sheik MU exp with my characters.

oh **** sorry
was writing up something for the DK-Kirby MU

If you still want to play after you're done with Rizen, let me know. I need Sheik MU experience... badly. I haven't fought a good one (it's like MK from Brawl all over again lol).

I'm a meh Sheik LOL
Kirby is my forte

 

[Shrokatii]

Are you kidding me?! WHY IS ROY FASTER THAN META KNIGHT! What is this? Make Roy into Captain Falcon... Oh, wait. And of course Falco's slower than Lucas. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktc6LK9lAU0.

I don't see why people believe this is the most balanced smash game

 

[Koiba]

GGS Souflee!

Phantom still needs to be nerfed


EOD I have a room up now

Edit: no wait you already have a room

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

I don't see why people believe this is the most balanced smash game

Because you can pick Zelda and still have a chance at beating the highest tier for example
Unlike Melee where Sheik - Bowser was 90-10
90-10

 

[Shrokatii]

Because you can pick Zelda and still have a chance at beating the highest tier for example
Unlike Melee where Sheik - Bowser was 90-10
90-10

Pm is the most balanced imo at least

The contrast between good and bad characters are only going to be more noticeable as time goes on

 

[Aunt Jemima]

rostelinaj is ny new kain ok?

 

[evmaxy54]

@ Koiba BAN SKYLOFT LOL

That's a sentiment I can agree to =3

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Skyloft is fun until you randomly fall through the floors and die :^)

 

[BJN39]

Because you can pick Zelda and still have a chance at beating the highest tier for example
Unlike Melee where Sheik - Bowser was 90-10
90-10

OMG I laughed super loud at the end. That's like, beautifully accurate.

Ironically, it's generally agreed the Zelda:Sheik MU in Melee was also a 10:90. She couldn't handle herself, but she also handled herself pretty handily.

 

[warionumbah2]

rostelinaj is ny new kain ok?

Like i said 'Kirby main'.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

throws out bair, uair and nair in one jump
Just Sheik things
kirby as well :v

 

[evmaxy54]

Skyloft is fun until you randomly fall through the floors and die :^)

#lrn2adept #stageizbalced #gitgudscreb

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Someone on Roll Glory told me to fix my lag but I didn't have lag in any of the matches I played except for the one I played with them
...

 

[FullMoon]

@ FullMoon = Brings up Greninja in CCI when it has nothing to do with Greninja. Example: Random member - Man 'X' struggles with fast characters. FM - Well just so you know has the best mobility in the game counting fastfall,ground speed and aerial speed and he can also do this and that and this and that. I think he wins this MU he goes even with everyone.

Lol. The only time I did that was when people were talking about Jigglypuff and her MUs. Most of the other times someone else was talking about Greninja and I decided to chime in. Or I asked someone about their MU with Greninja or w/e.

Anyway I went to my locals today since it was close to my English Course and I had to go there to do a test and played a looooot of friendlies there. I didn't drop a single match with Greninja surprisingly, people there are already calling me the god of Sm4sh. That just goes to show that my locals aren't really very good with Sm4sh =V