Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

[S.F.L.R_9]

Ooooh! There's video of Peach killing ZSS at 0% with the parasol. It's pretty great

This one right? xD

 

[FullMoon]

This one right? xD

I'm more amused by ZSS's slow-mo Star KO scream than the actual subject of the video.

 

[Rizen]

I wish our connection was better. I suck with G&W and can't buffer dash attacks :/ Does Pac hydrant beat G&W's Uair?

 

[Furret]

I wish our connection was better. I suck with G&W and can't buffer dash attacks :/ Does Pac hydrant beat G&W's Uair?

a dropping hydrant more than likely beats anything that doesn't reflect

 

[FullMoon]

Amusingly enough from my experience if Greninja uses Up-Air when Pac-Man drops the hydrant he'll hit it and not get damaged by it even as the hydrant is clearly making contact with him.

So basically this:

I thought it was just luck but this actually seems to happen quite consistently. I have no idea how that works.

 

[Rizen]

I don't think I can learn G&W in this lag. I keep trying to buffer one thing and have an entirely different attack come out. I'm going to go Ganon for fun.

 

[Kofu]

I wish our connection was better. I suck with G&W and can't buffer dash attacks :/ Does Pac hydrant beat G&W's Uair?

Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with the connection. We just got a new service and I guess it's not as good :/ Could also be that my Wii U is downstairs and the router is upstairs.

The windbox from UAir doesn't affect the hydrant but the damaging hits should (hard to time, though). USmash beats it handily though, as you saw.

First tip: don't use DAir to land unless the opponent overcommits. It's easily punishable. It's pretty good as an anti-air attack, however, and can hit some fighters through platforms.

 

[Lavani]

a dropping hydrant more than likely beats anything that doesn't reflect

Amusingly enough from my experience if Greninja uses Up-Air when Pac-Man drops the hydrant he'll hit it and not get damaged by it even as the hydrant is clearly making contact with him.

So basically this:

I thought it was just luck but this actually seems to happen quite consistently. I have no idea how that works.

you can clank the hydrant drop

 

[Trieste SP]

This is addictive. She says it softy, but if understand different languages, you can catch what she's saying... There should be a warning for this video. WARNING: May cause diabetes and suger overload.

I heard German, Japanese, Mandarin and Spanish.

 

[Rizen]

@ Kofu GGs . Sorry for dropping out. I learned in Brawl never learn a new character in wifi. The lag inconsistency plus unfamiliarity makes learning in wifi terrible. I keep trying to play G&W like in Brawl but it's not working out :/ He seems slower and clunkier than before.
How do I combo from Dthrows?

 

[redfeatherraven]

My skill level is pretty mediocre overall, really.

Homie. Homie. Real talk minute.

I thknk you're selling yourself short in terms of your skill.

You see this? This. You're baller.

I read where you go over your reasoning. You aren't really feeling it. You keep autopiloting. You keep losing to a Robin (by the way, you might want to hit up the RST, @Raziek specifically, if you want to figure out some countermeasures; they're good peeps).

You're still damn good, man. You cleaned up the whole social. I've not seen something from you yet that wasn't solid. There might be some bias inasmuch as victors writing history, but I honestly believe in your skill.

You wanna see mediocre, play me sometime. I'll show you what mediocre really looks like.

 

[Fernosaur]

@2004Zilla ZILLA DID YOU WATCH IT ALREADY?!?!

I just came back from the theatre, man. It's good!! Like, actually good and not boring, ridiculous and stupid like JP3 was.

Spoiler: Gonna spoiler this in case you don't wanna read it, although I don't reveal plot details

Well... it kinda IS stupid, but mostly because they sort of accepted that the pseudo-science behind Jurassic Park as a franchise is kind of outdated in terms of scientifical accuracy. They sort of finally accepted that they're not a science franchise, but a soft sci-fi monster flick that tried to take itself too seriously. So they kinda recognized that in-universe and just went full-out on a lot of stuff. The end result is pretty entertaining to watch, and has a lot of great moments.

Also, Owen is not an insufferable prick! And Claire is awesome!! And the kids are surprisingly likeable too!

It's kinda like, NOT Jurassic Park in the sense that, yeah, it had to grow up (or down, in this case) after 22 years.

But do let me know what you think about it when you watch it!!

 

[Furret]

you can clank the hydrant drop

oh no priority? learn something new everyday
doesn't surprise me too much though, I know so little about certain characters

 

[Rizen]

Link's Uair sends Pac's Hydrant drop back at him. I didn't know if G&W's Uair wind box blew it or not; it doesn't seem to.

 

[McKnightlíght]

@2004Zilla ZILLA DID YOU WATCH IT ALREADY?!?!

I just came back from the theatre, man. It's good!! Like, actually good and not boring, ridiculous and stupid like JP3 was.

Spoiler: Gonna spoiler this in case you don't wanna read it, although I don't reveal plot details

Well... it kinda IS stupid, but mostly because they sort of accepted that the pseudo-science behind Jurassic Park as a franchise is kind of outdated in terms of scientifical accuracy. They sort of finally accepted that they're not a science franchise, but a soft sci-fi monster flick that tried to take itself too seriously. So they kinda recognized that in-universe and just went full-out on a lot of stuff. The end result is pretty entertaining to watch, and has a lot of great moments.

Also, Owen is not an insufferable prick! And Claire is awesome!! And the kids are surprisingly likeable too!

It's kinda like, NOT Jurassic Park in the sense that, yeah, it had to grow up (or down, in this case) after 22 years.

But do let me know what you think about it when you watch it!!

Fern shut up about dinosaurs and pay attention to me and praise me ok?

Gosh, so inconsiderate.

 

[Baskerville]

This one right? xD

Charging Smash Attacks increases the knockback you take right?
Why is that still a thing?

 

[Lavani]

Charging Smash Attacks increases the knockback you take right?
Why is that still a thing?

To punish reckless use of charged smashes.
To give incentive to challenge someone charging a smash.

It's been a thing since Melee, at any rate.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Charging Smash Attacks increases the knockback you take right?
Why is that still a thing?

Yes it does
And because

 

[Kofu]

you can clank the hydrant drop

Of you couldn't flank it it would be (borderline) broken, lol. It would almost literally be a "get out of juggles free" card.

@ Kofu GGs . Sorry for dropping out. I learned in Brawl never learn a new character in wifi. The lag inconsistency plus unfamiliarity makes learning in wifi terrible. I keep trying to play G&W like in Brawl but it's not working out :/ He seems slower and clunkier than before.
How do I combo from Dthrows?

GGs! Sorry about the lag, I hope it's not a consistent thing for me now. :/ Not learning a character in lag sounds like good advice tbh.

Spoiler: ho2gdubs

Playing him like his Brawl version doesn't work very well. Almost all of his aerials had lag tacked on bar FAir (but in exchange for a severe damage nerf) and NAir no longer autocancels (it also has a less forgiving hitbox). His smashes are considerably weaker (usually killing at over 100%) and FSmash lost its lingering hitbox and instead got a sweetspot/sourspot mechanic (one of the changes I'm most bitter about tbh). DTilt was also changed significantly, but I'll get to that in a second.

Probably the main thing to remember about is that he actually has a ground game now. Jab has great range and can intercept a lot of attacks, and FTilt is a good defensive attack. Dash attack is wonderful at knocking opponents into the air, racking damage, and catching landings. Its main improvement from Brawl was the distance he lunges forward when he uses it (I do miss the backward launch angle though, it was so wonderfully quirky and could stage spike). UTilt is still pretty bad but I've been working to implement it into my game as an anti-air attack. DTilt is still fast but it's lost much of its knockback that made it such a good "get off" attack in Brawl and gained considerable endlag. Instead it has a weird windbox that screws with aerial approaches and various specials. I think it has uses but it's a lot more niche than before. It is his second fastest ground attack, though, after jab, and is still okay to get someone away.

USmash is great with its invincibility frames on his head before its release, but the hitbox is tiny and it's slow (hits on frame 24). It has minimal lag, however, which makes it hilariously safe to throw out to bait things. It's excellent for beating aerials and high-hitting ground attacks. DSmash has good reach and is his fastest smash (not really that fast unfortunately) and is the only one of his smashes to retain their lingering properties (USmash and FSmash are only active for two frames, I think DSmash is active for 5 or something). It is the weakest in terms of damage, though. I'll use it to catch rolls or landings on the side. FSmash needs to land the sweetspot to have good knockback, but it is his most powerful smash in that case. I believe it has the longest reach of all his ground moves. I tend to use it occasionally against aerial foes (since it has a slight diagonal trajectory) and against getup attacks.

His aerials are still good but not really safe to use from a short hop to approach. They are fairly good from a full hop, however, thanks to their short cooldown. NAir does 17% if all hits connect but no longer hits to his side at the start. Nonetheless it still covers him well and is great at catching airdodges/hitting people on platforms. FAir is a respectable move but unfortunately not safe on shield. It can wall certain characters out with some reliability and is great for edgeguarding. It more or less gets more potent the higher the opponent's damage gets. It probably won't kill unless you're near the edge, though. BAir is terribly weak damage-wise now (9%, 12% with the landing hit) and has a lot of landing lag. I've noticed the landing hit is good at poking shields, though. You can occasionally chain two together in the air for a bit of damage. Its high base knockback, large size, and lingering hitboxes make it great at denying opponents the ledge and beating out other attacks. UAir is finicky but potent. The second hit is one of his better KO attacks but if you don't position yourself right with the first hit opponents will just fly up thanks to its windbox. Still good at juggling, and didn't have its damage reduced from Brawl. DAir is a little disappointing to me, to be honest, but it has its uses. Its hitboxes aren't that big and it has a lot of landing lag (you can't slow fall it for a mixup anymore either). The meteor hitbox is small and only at the very beginning of the move, often making it impractical. It does a good job at challenging other aerials, though.

Chef is better in this game thanks to airdodge lag. The pan still semi-spikes and the food can trap certain characters at the ledge. Can occasionally set up for grabs, too. Judge is... Judge. I don't think I need to explain how it works, except that to my knowledge it never true combos out of DThrow. Fire is still good, though if used point-blank on a grounded opponent you'll often do no damage unless they're tall, instead only hitting with the windbox. The invincibility seems to be active for the middle portion of the jump, expiring before the apex. It's great as a juggling tool and also good for edgeguarding thanks to its launch angle and the parachute enabling return to the ledge. Oil Panic is better at collecting but otherwise the same (except no bucket braking, rip).

FThrow and BThrow both do 8% and are really only good for putting opponents offstage or for positional advantage. UThrow also does 8% and is actually better at very low percents than DThrow for combos, though you can really only do UThrow to Fire and then an aerial. DThrow, while different from Brawl, is still very strong. At about 15-20% you can start getting NAirs out of it on most of the cast (at lower percents they can often DI down to land to avoid the followup, but you might get a jab or a tilt off of it). All other aerials except DAir can combo out of DThrow depending on DI, but NAir and UAir do the most damage assuming they connect properly. DThrow to UAir is even a kill combo though a very frame-and-percent-strict one. To be honest I don't know everything about his DThrow combos, especially when DI is involved, but the key is really to just know when you can act. You can usually get a NAir guaranteed up until about 50%, possibly higher with correct jumps. If you read DI FAir is also satisfying. Or read an airdodge and gamble on Judge

Wow, that was long, made worse by the fact I'm on mobile. Anyway, good stuff I saw:

• Use of Chef to restrict my aerial movement (I don't do this enough)
• USmash out of DThrow (I know it was partially due to your uncertainty with DThrow combos, but it's a legitimate mixup and USmash has low enough lag/high enough damage to allow for followups)
• Use of USmash to beat/challenge my aerials (or Hydrant)
• Use of jab as a "get off" tool
• BAir to catch me from the air
• Fire going past the ledge to hit me into FAir (another thing I could do more of)

Things to work on:

• Too much DAir to land (Game & Watch has great aerial mobility, use that instead)
• Not enough dash attack (this was probably a result of lag though)
• Too much DSmash (it's not awful but it is punishable)
• NAir to ledge regrab (again, not always bad, but you lose your invincibility and become vulnerable to punishment)

That's mainly it I think. Game & Watch has to play a weaving/punishing game now because he's so light. He lost a lot of kill power which is a detriment in a game with rslage. Honestly, if he had a smidge more kill power or a safer kill move he'd be pretty solid.

 

[Gay Ginger]

The true ending of Naruto is that Sharpay Evans killed Sasuke. (I didn't make this; I found it on tumblr)

"Hey~"

Sasuke scoffed and glared at the girl standing before him. “Sharpay Evans. I know you were the one who ordered my older brother to destroy my clan. For that, you shall die!” He roared, closing his eyes and activating his Sharingan. ” I WILL AVENGE MY FAMILY!”

“I’d love to see you try, sasuke”

“You can’t lay a finger on me, not with that horrendous top.”

That was it. The final straw. This boy had insulted Sharpay’s fashion sense and that was a fatal move.

“The uchiha bloodline ends here”

 

[McKnightlíght]

The true ending of Naruto is that Sharpay Evans killed Sasuke. (I didn't make this; I found it on tumblr)

"Hey~"

Sasuke scoffed and glared at the girl standing before him. “Sharpay Evans. I know you were the one who ordered my older brother to destroy my clan. For that, you shall die!” He roared, closing his eyes and activating his Sharingan. ” I WILL AVENGE MY FAMILY!”

“I’d love to see you try, sasuke”

“You can’t lay a finger on me, not with that horrendous top.”

That was it. The final straw. This boy had insulted Sharpay’s fashion sense and that was a fatal move.

“The uchiha bloodline ends here”

Why would you wear a dress that shows off your kidneys though?

 

[Gay Ginger]

Why would you wear a dress that shows off your kidneys though?

Why go through all that expensive dialysis if you're not going to show them off?

 

[Fernosaur]

Fern shut up about dinosaurs and pay attention to me and praise me ok?

Gosh, so inconsiderate.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of ****ing dinosaurs.

 

[McKnightlíght]

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of ****ing dinosaurs.

Gross dude.

 

[Fernosaur]

I can now 100% attest that they're warm blooded!!

 

[McKnightlíght]

I can now 100% attest that they're warm blooded!!

I liked this, but for the record, I don't like this.

 

[Fernosaur]

I liked this, but for the record, I don't like this.

Filthy liar. I know you like anything involving me. SPECIALLY if it involves me and ****ing.

 

[Zylach]

That depends, where's the sweet-spot, sour-spot, and is the rest of it just for show?

Also, forgot about this: http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-power-rankings-directory-project.401710/page-4#post-19385401. @ Zylach 's #7 for Wisconsin's power ranking.

Sorry I got to this so late. There are 145 more messages after this and I didn't see it until now lol. Thanks for the recognition. That list was made by the #1 player here in WI, Marshall, whom I've faced many times. I'm grateful he thought I was good enough to be 7th in all of Wisconsin. To all the Zelda players out there, There is Hope!

 

[Trieste SP]

Sorry I got to this so late. There are 145 more messages after this and I didn't see it until now lol. Thanks for the recognition. That list was made by the #1 player here in WI, Marshall, whom I've faced many times. I'm grateful he thought I was good enough to be 7th in all of Wisconsin. To all the Zelda players out there, There is Hope!

It's alright.

There is definitely hope out there.

 

[EODM07]

Morning girls. How's everyone doing today?

Just had my breakfast, and watching KY's Binding of Isaac Rebirth stream. Plus I'm thinking of trying out now from seeing My Smash Corner's video, plus so I can have a somewhat better time against Rosalamborghini and Trash Sheik. :3

Spoiler: How Sonic Boom Fire & Ice will turn out

Spoiler: Yuri pic of the day~

 

[Berserker.]

I forfeited because I wasn't able to finish or lose on time. I snagged two wins and one loss. It was a relatively small tournament. Guaranteed top 8 or a bit outside that. I went Shulk all the way and had power vision ready. I only snagged one kill with it

Buster and shield. I luv you. Also b-air

I defeated the following in order:

Match 1 (Won 2-1, lost 1 against Villager)
Ebola , Ebola

Match 2 (Won 2-1, lost 1 against DK)
Ebola
****

I got defeated (although the matches were close) by an ebola though. Seriously though. **** customs. I also got windboxed by DK in one match (but I managed to win the next match)

I love b-air, buster b-air, grabbing, and camping in shield

If you're wondering how I won the Sheik match, I stayed shield almost all the time so the damage I received didn't mean ****. Also, the combos weren't working at early percentages. I played patiently and intentionally allowed myself to get bodied in shield. He kept f-airing and needling and bouncing fishing. Little did he know that he's staling his attacks while I'm in shield art. I made my durations in buster art brief but I made sure I hit him which I did. I spaced correctly against Sheik, b-air was godlike and b-throws and stuff. I also power vision'd Sheik so yeah.

In friendlies, my is on point~

My got 2 stocked @Space Stranger I never learn LOL

My next match (which I forfeited) was a customs

So it was a decision between a party full of good food or a customs ?

Um.... Isn't that obvious? Food is life.

BYE

 

[Soul.]

hi whats going on

 

[EODM07]

If you're wondering how I won the Sheik match, I stayed shield almost all the time so the damage I received didn't mean ****. Also, the combos weren't working at early percentages. I played patiently and intentionally allowed myself to get bodied in shield. He kept f-airing and needling and bouncing fishing. Little did he know that he's staling his attacks while I'm in shield art. I made my durations in buster art brief but I made sure I hit him which I did. I spaced correctly against Sheik, b-air was godlike and b-throws and stuff. I also power vision'd Sheik so yeah.

Hearing that makes me feel so happy that you wrecked that character with Shulk. <3

 

[Berserker.]

Buster to win

Also, I was a bit greedy with the u-smash reads. But it worked so yeah

Anyway **** customs. **** it. I still can't believe I beat that Sheik.

Customs Villager is so cancerous, they were shocked that I wasn't curb stomped by two of them (I beat one of them, the other was close) so they thought I was really good with Shulk or something.

Power vision wasn't that helpful tbh. It got one kill for me but... eh.

OH, Customs DK is dumb. I may have adapted (and beat) customs DK but I still hate that ****. I dropped a match because air bending magic. So **** customs

ajfkasjflsakfksfnlasksaf

Anyway, I'll go to the party soon so yeah

 

[berserker00]

Lesson for today is....

BAN CUSTOMS​

Customs is Black Typhoid Bubonic Malaria Terminal Ebola MERS H1N1 SARS Smallpox Influenza Measles Cholera Plague Meningitis Epidemic Cancer

​

My camping game was literally rendered void and either pocketed or pierced through by a custom side B....

Had to forfeit because of so many events on the same day....

Beat:
2x (including a Ness that apparently was Smash Bros. Guam's #9 whose ass I smashed back to his country for the glory of my country on Independence Day and another one I 4-stocked)

(4-stock)
(MY GORL TWO STOCKED @ Berserker. 's Charizard)

then left mid-tournament. Me and @ Berserker. reached Top 8 anyways.

 

[Baskerville]

Hearing that makes me feel so happy that you wrecked that character with Shulk. <3

Did Shiek steal your secret stash of Yuri or something?

 

[EODM07]

Did Shiek steal your secret stash of Yuri or something?

Who knows? Just hate her so much.
*Checks off list* That's about 20 posts I made of my dislike for her.

Me and @ Berserker. reached Top 8 anyways.

Congrats to you two.

 

[Soul.]

lol custom villager. Jank to the max.

 

[evmaxy54]

@ evmaxy54

Still trying to figure out that last post....

Have this though.

https://m.soundcloud.com/narctwain

Will check it out when I get the chance. Heading up to Skrubfelt's for a Smashfest & the bus blocks streaming **** sooooooooo

 

[Antonykun]

Buster to win

Also, I was a bit greedy with the u-smash reads. But it worked so yeah

Anyway **** customs. **** it. I still can't believe I got revenge on that Sheik.

Customs Villager is so cancerous, they were shocked that I wasn't curb stomped by two of them (I beat one of them, the other was close) so they thought I was really good with Shulk or something.

Power vision wasn't that helpful tbh. It got one kill for me but... eh.

OH, Customs DK is dumb. I may have adapted (and beat) customs DK but I still hate that ****. I dropped a match because air bending magic. So **** customs

ajfkasjflsakfksfnlasksaf

Anyway, I'll go to the party soon so yeah

Lesson for today is....

BAN CUSTOMS​

Customs is Black Typhoid Bubonic Malaria Terminal Ebola MERS H1N1 SARS Smallpox Influenza Measles Cholera Plague Meningitis Epidemic Cancer

​

My camping game was literally rendered void and either pocketed or pierced through by a custom side B....

Had to forfeit because of so many events on the same day....

Beat:
2x (including a Smash Bros Guam player whose *** I smashed back to his country and another one I 4-stocked)

(4-stock)
(MY GORL TWO STOCKED @ Berserker. 's Charizard)

then left mid-tournament. Me and @ Berserker. reached Top 8 anyways.

lol custom villager. Jank to the max.