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[Macchiato]

All of the scrub Peaches seem to think that float dair is a good approach, so they'll literally floaty across the stage at you while dairing. It's pretty lol-worthy.

Dair is a good move, but as I said, it should be used sparingly. Dair makes the Zelda MU extremely easy and I still have nightmares from facing your Peach on 3DS. Peach's Brawl aerials were great and I'd trade SSB4's aerials for Brawl's in a heartbeat.

Hmmm I try to mix up my approach. My main approaches are

Turnip to aerial.
Float Dair
Float Nair then drop float and go backwards right away
Float bair then drop float and go backwards right away
Run up then QFR and wait for them to do something
Float then I drop the float and grab

 

[BJN39]

Considering you can spotdodge the unblockable hit of Palutena's Explosive Flame after shielding the rest I have no reason to believe you couldn't do the same with the phantom.

So basically Phantom doesn't even get the benefit of good shield damage at full charge as long as the the opponent isn't roll glory lel.

 

[Trieste SP]

I went and responded as well, further putting down Phantom breaker for being a failure at breaking shields.

I'm was gonna go check, but before I do, does anyone already know if it's possible to spot-dodge hit 2 of full charge Phantom after blocking hit 1? I've done it when the Phantom was being returned by a villager, but that has like, triple the hit-lag, likely making the window to do so a lot bigger.

Interesting, that custom usually doesn't fail to break my opponents shields when I play. Although, it may just be my opponents not knowing how to deal with that move.

 

[Locke 06]

Considering you can spotdodge the unblockable hit of Palutena's Explosive Flame after shielding the rest I have no reason to believe you couldn't do the same with the phantom.

Shield stun allowing it to be a true block string or have less than a 3f window where they can spot dodge? (Spotdodges are almost universally f3, right?)

 

[McKnightlíght]

Just because I'm better than you at League

Ok

Wow


Write this down @Koiba

He's already started his first lesson!

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I wish Heavenly Light actually did something. The windbox is barely even there so the only use it'd possibly have in gimping Ness and Little Mac barely works. SAKURAI PLS

@ RedCap-BlueSpikes Do you know if a short hop fast fall spaced bair is safe on shield? And if uair is disjointed or not?

 

[Lavani]

Shield stun allowing it to be a true block string or have less than a 3f window where they can spot dodge? (Spotdodges are almost universally f3, right?)

spotdodges range from 2-4f for first invincible frame

i dunno what the window to spotdodge is or if certain characters can't do it, I just know it's a thing

@ RedCap-BlueSpikes Do you know if a short hop fast fall spaced bair is safe on shield? And if uair is disjointed or not?

uair is disjointed

I don't think bair is safe on shield but don't quote me on that, I'm always surprised by its reach so it might be fine spaced

 

[FullMoon]

I wonder how salty Street Fighter fans that hate on Smash will get if Ryu getting in as DLC becomes a thing.

I can already imagine the dumb comments.

 

[RedCap-BlueSpikes]

@ RedCap-BlueSpikes Do you know if a short hop fast fall spaced bair is safe on shield? And if uair is disjointed or not?

Pretty sure it's safe against some characters. If they have a fast grab with good range (Mega Man) you can forget about it. And yeah, U-air's disjointed. Trades with Link's D-air when used directly below him and beats it outright if you're just a little to the side. It beats Bowser Bomb sometimes, too.

 

[Antonykun]

i found @ KuroganeHammer http://kiranico.com/en/mh4u/weapon/hammer/kurogane

 

[BJN39]

Tested dodging full charged Phantom hit 2 after blocking hit 1, it was super possible against ALL variations, smh. I'm pretty sure you could even roll away in the same window and Zelda wouldn't be able to punish you for it at all SMH.

I mean like, we end up doing research not to advance Zelda's metagame, but to expose every exploit in her rather flawed designs.

Speaking of flaws, I found the first instance so far where you can force someone to fall out of Usmash. (At least, in the 3DS.) If you stand exactly up against a Pikachu and you're both facing each other Pikachu will will fall out of an Usmash used then 100% of the time.

 

[Furret]

I wonder how salty the internet will be if anything happens, such as me breathing

I can already imagine the dumb comments.

had to widen the parameters of your if, then statement

 

[TimeSmash]

 

[Moydow]

I dunno why the felt the need to follow me off the stage when I was basically dead, but such is For Glory

 

[Antonykun]

^THIS SONG
plz just give me monster hunter in smash

 

[Macchiato]

Tested dodging full charged Phantom hit 2 after blocking hit 1, it was super possible against ALL variations, smh. I'm pretty sure you could even roll away in the same window and Zelda wouldn't be able to punish you for it at all SMH.

I mean like, we end up doing research not to advance Zelda's metagame, but to expose every exploit in her rather flawed designs.

Speaking of flaws, I found the first instance so far where you can force someone to fall out of Usmash. (At least, in the 3DS.) If you stand exactly up against a Pikachu and you're both facing each other Pikachu will will fall out of an Usmash used then 100% of the time.

Usmash semi spikes

Meta advancement

I did this to @ S.F.L.R_9

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Usmash semi spikes

Meta advancement

I did this to @ S.F.L.R_9

It only worked cuz I lost my double jump tho. Don't think it'll spike anyone to their death with a double jump besides Mac

 

[kenniky]

I wish Heavenly Light actually did something. The windbox is barely even there so the only use it'd possibly have in gimping Ness and Little Mac barely works. SAKURAI PLS

It's basically easylife for Trophy Rush

 

[Macchiato]

hmmmmmmM @ Lorde flower bomber is a really good tool for pressure and frame traps

what peach custom set do you use?

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

@ BJN39 I can't replicate the usmash thing on the Wii U no matter how close I am to Pikachu, no matter what percent, he always stays in usmash

 

[McKnightlíght]

I freaking love haircuts.

Do any of you guys have ASMR?

Do any of you even know what that is?

 

[Trieste SP]

I mean like, we end up doing research not to advance Zelda's metagame, but to expose every exploit in her rather flawed designs.

Yeah, this is me when I try to find new techs for several characters. Although, I did find something interesting recently but I don't really see much use in it.

 

[Moydow]

I freaking love haircuts.

I haven't had what most people would call a "proper" haircut in like five years Had it tidied up a bit, so to speak, but I literally don't remember what it's like to have short hair any more

 

[Nammy12]

I freaking love haircuts.

Do any of you guys have ASMR?

Do any of you even know what that is?

Whats an ASMR?

 

[JigglyZelda003]

I freaking love haircuts.

Do any of you guys have ASMR?

Do any of you even know what that is?

what is that? Also I only like hair cuts when my hair gets uncontrollably long lol

 

[BJN39]

@ BJN39 I can't replicate the usmash thing on the Wii U no matter how close I am to Pikachu, no matter what percent, he always stays in usmash

Really? I guess somethings can turn up different between versions.

So you were:

- Point-blank (Like, if you move he's pushed with you.)
- Facing each other
- Uncharged Usmash (I tried it at random different percents.)

Maybe I'll look into it on the 3DS again to make sure I've got everything here right.

EDIT : Oh yeah I was using another player who was doing absolutely no inputs as well. If you were using a test mode dummy they may DI the hits and change the outcome.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Whats an ASMR?

It's when you get a tingling in your head or neck or for me, my back when you hear certain sounds (mostly) but can can happen as a result of all your senses. It's super relaxing for me. Things that trigger my ASMR are whispering and like knife sharpening and different tapping noises.

Look up ASMR videos on YouTube and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Ffamran]

Fifth result after searching ASMR is video of a lady whispering about a clothing haul or something. Thanks, Google.

 

[TimeSmash]

Jiggly Zelda is a zelda that's jiggly

Edit: @ BJN39 this is what I mean to put not the pizza one again. Make more sense? Hahah

 

[Furret]

Whats an ASMR?

A super moronic rat

(I dunno what this is, but I found it, it works, I think)

 

[McKnightlíght]

Fifth result after searching ASMR is video of a lady whispering about a clothing haul or something. Thanks, Google.

Yup!

They whisper about anything and everything. I like Heather Feather a lot.

 

[Lorde]

hmmmmmmM @ Lorde flower bomber is a really good tool for pressure and frame traps

what peach custom set do you use?

I use default, but occasionally I use 2111. I find that her default moves are better than her customs.

 

[Macchiato]

I use default, but occasionally I use 2111. I find that her default moves are better than her customs.

Personally, I like 2222

Sleepy Toad just feels better imo
All the bombers are equally as good, but I like Flower Bomber
High Parasol Jump gives her one of the best all around recovery due to her float already being a great horizontal recovery
Light Veggies is just interesting

 

[Ffamran]

Jiggly Zelda is a zelda that's jiggly

And we will all refrain from asking what's jiggly about her.

Yup!

They whisper about anything and everything. I like Heather Feather a lot.

BUT MISTER TORGUE HIGH-FIVE FLEXINGTON YELLS AND MAKES EVERYTHING FUNNY AND AWESOME AND ****!

 

[TimeSmash]

Fifth result after searching ASMR is video of a lady whispering about a clothing haul or something. Thanks, Google.

Why is she whispering haha?

 

[Lorde]

It's when you get a tingling in your head or neck or for me, my back when you hear certain sounds (mostly) but can can happen as a result of all your senses. It's super relaxing for me. Things that trigger my ASMR are whispering and like knife sharpening and different tapping noises.

Look up ASMR videos on YouTube and you'll see what I mean.

This ASMR video is a must-see (or hear, I guess).

I actually found out about ASMR last year but it never worked for me. It's kinda relaxing, though.

Personally, I like 2222

Sleepy Toad just feels better imo
All the bombers are equally as good, but I like Flower Bomber
High Parasol Jump gives her one of the best all around recovery due to her float already being a great horizontal recovery
Light Veggies is just interesting

Sleepy Toad has more lag or something; I can't remember what it was, but it has a drawback. High Parasol Jump takes away the floating with her parasol, so I don't like it. Light Veggies are too weak for me and you'll basically never kill with them, so I avoid using them. They're not even faster to pluck, so there's not too much reason to use them imo. All of the bombers are kinda meh imo, but at least default goes the farthest.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Really? I guess somethings can turn up different between versions.

So you were:

- Point-blank (Like, if you move he's pushed with you.)
- Facing each other
- Uncharged Usmash (I tried it at random different percents.)

Maybe I'll look into it on the 3DS again to make sure I've got everything here right.

EDIT : Oh yeah I was using another player who was doing absolutely no inputs as well. If you were using a test mode dummy they may DI the hits and change the outcome.

Yep, I did it with all of those conditions. I tested it on a training CPU and they didn't escape but I just tried it again with it set to control (aka no inputs) and he still stayed in it all the time

 

[Trieste SP]

ASMR is weird. Got people whispering in my ear the last time I've tried it.

And we will all refrain from asking what's jiggly about her.

I've got some ideas...

 

[BJN39]

Jiggly Zelda is a zelda that's jiggly


Edit: @ BJN39 this is what I mean to put not the pizza one again. Make more sense? Hahah

Actually JigglyZelda003 is our local boss Zelda/DH/Petch player iirc :D

 

[KuroganeHammer]

i found @ KuroganeHammer http://kiranico.com/en/mh4u/weapon/hammer/kurogane

this is the name inspration