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Guide Zelda Social: But also the FE Heroes Internet Cafe

Jestar

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From Urban Dictionary:

Weeaboo
Someone who is obsessed with Japan/Japanese Culture/Anime, etc. and attempts to act as if they were Japanese, even though they're far from it.
 

warionumbah2

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Haha lmao.
A weeaboo is, well, a weeaboo
This is a normal person who's not japenese but watches anime will say irl
"Wow that's cool"

Weaboo cosplayer
"KAWAI *insert quote from anime" BAKA BAKA SUGOI KAWAI. SEMPEI!!" <-- Google power

You talking about the hitstun cancel? Because otherwise Shadow Sneak is hardly janky. I mean even the hitstun cancel is barely useful lol.
The fact that you can avoid the second hit is janky as hell, no other character has this. The grounded version has more hitstun so he can't jank his way out of the second hit.
 

FullMoon

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This is a normal person who's not japenese but watches anime will say irl
"Wow that's cool"

Weaboo cosplayer
"KAWAI *insert quote from anime" BAKA BAKA SUGOI KAWAI. SEMPEI!!" <-- Google power



The fact that you can avoid the second hit is janky as hell, no other character has this. The grounded version has more hitstun so he can't jank his way out of the second hit.
Funny, when I first mentioned that Greninja could do that you said it wouldn't make much of a difference or something along those lines.
 

warionumbah2

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Theorycraft plus I assumed it wasn't bull**** since kata was beating the frog user at his scene. But it turns out that player didn't abuse that and also I discovered the rco lag on another special smh.

If you hit MK during his 2nd loop he will be locked, he can't move and the landing lag is cancer. They'll patch it out since they noticed his cape rco lag, but this one will be harder to spot since the team probably think that shuttle loop can't be interrupted but ohohohohoooooboi.

Edit: that was also during the time where ito was flip flopping between diddy and MK, so i didn't 100% trust what he said. But I said back then that I didn't care because who's gonna come at me with greninja?
 
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Mericus

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Does anyone here have Dissidia 012 and access to Ad Hoc Party ?
I'm feeling better than usual today and I'd like to see if I can scrap off some rust :u
 

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Does anyone here have Dissidia 012 and access to Ad Hoc Party ?
I'm feeling better than usual today and I'd like to see if I can scrap off some rust :u
Nope. I've only played the original Dissidia. But that was it. I've lost interest in the PSP sadly. :c

And since we talked about JoJo's earlier. Here's something:

 

SBphiloz4

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Controversy time~ Zelda's MUs IMO

Slight Advantage: :4samus:
Very slight Advantage: :4dedede:
Even: :4robinf::4wiifit::4rob::4bowserjr::4ganondorf:
Very Slight Disadvantage: :4charizard::4bowser::4dk::4villager::4duckhunt::4lucina::4lucario::4miisword:
Slight Disadvantage: :4kirby::4jigglypuff::4falco::4drmario::4mario::4marth::rosalina::4myfriends::4palutena::4mewtwo::4miigun:
Disadvantage: :4gaw::4pacman::4luigi::4pikachu::4pit::4darkpit::4falcon::4diddy::4metaknight::4olimar::4greninja::4link::4tlink::4wario::4yoshi::4ness:
Strong Disadvantage: :4megaman::4fox::4miibrawl::4peach::4littlemac::4shulk:
Very Strong Disadvantage: :4sonic::4sheik::4zss:


I'm still being optimistic with these very slight terms smh ; w ;
 

Antonykun

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Nope. I've only played the original Dissidia. But that was it. I've lost interest in the PSP sadly. :c

And since we talked about JoJo's earlier. Here's something:

is that Kars?
 

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Controversy time~ Zelda's MUs IMO

Slight Advantage: :4samus:
Very slight Advantage: :4dedede:
Even: :4robinf::4wiifit::4rob::4bowserjr::4ganondorf:
Very Slight Disadvantage: :4charizard::4bowser::4dk::4villager::4duckhunt::4lucina::4lucario::4miisword:
Slight Disadvantage: :4kirby::4jigglypuff::4falco::4drmario::4mario::4marth::rosalina::4myfriends::4palutena::4mewtwo::4miigun:
Disadvantage: :4gaw::4pacman::4luigi::4pikachu::4pit::4darkpit::4falcon::4diddy::4metaknight::4olimar::4greninja::4link::4tlink::4wario::4yoshi::4ness:
Strong Disadvantage: :4megaman::4fox::4miibrawl::4peach::4littlemac::4shulk:
Very Strong Disadvantage: :4sonic::4sheik::4zss:


I'm still being optimistic with these very slight terms smh ; w ;
Nice to see Zelda has an amazing matchup against :4sonic: and :4sheik: :troll:
 

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Zelda vs. Pika in disadvantage.
lol what a surprise. so much for "She has Farore's; Pika is light. KO the thing ASAP!"
 

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how the heck does any character lose to Swordfighter
My reasons why :4miisword:vs:4zelda: is in Mii's favour (and frankly, this might be his only good MU)

- Mii Sword is decently fast on foot, small in size. Pretty good way to avoid Zelda's attacks
- Sword has decent range attacks, Fair shuts down her aerial game, Dtilt shuts down her ground game AND puts her in an extremely disadvantageous state. Ftilt and jab are decent too
- Hoo-hah kills Zelda at like 80% wtf. He can grab Zelda somewhat easily
- OoS UpB can punish lots of Zelda's whiffed moves and can kill early

It's true that Sword's frame data is atrocious. so he can easily be punished by Zelda if he is being unsafe with his moves. But at least he has a reliable way to kill, and somewhat better mobility which can dictate stage control, and thus the match. On paper this MU is stupidly boring to watch though.
 

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My reasons why :4miisword:vs:4zelda: is in Mii's favour (and frankly, this might be his only good MU)

- Mii Sword is decently fast on foot, small in size. Pretty good way to avoid Zelda's attacks
- Sword has decent range attacks, Fair shuts down her aerial game, Dtilt shuts down her ground game AND puts her in an extremely disadvantageous state. Ftilt and jab are decent too
- Hoo-hah kills Zelda at like 80% wtf. He can grab Zelda somewhat easily
- OoS UpB can punish lots of Zelda's whiffed moves and can kill early

It's true that Sword's frame data is atrocious. so he can easily be punished by Zelda if he is being unsafe with his moves. But at least he has a reliable way to kill, and somewhat better mobility which can dictate stage control, and thus the match. On paper this MU is stupidly boring to watch though.
Is hoo hah guaranteed? typing hoo hah when not referring to Diddy feels so weird wtf
 

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Is hoo hah guaranteed? typing hoo hah when not referring to Diddy feels so weird wtf
Even at ~100% with minimum rage, Mii Sword's Hoohah can be a true combo AND kill. That is, if he does guess the DI right. Any higher percentage/more rage means MIi Sword is actually going to have a hard time killing unless he sees a free Uair potential or OoS UpB.
 

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down throw up air is not guaranteed on any character at kill percents even on halberd
Even at ~100% with minimum rage, Mii Sword's Hoohah can be a true combo AND kill. That is, if he does guess the DI right. Any higher percentage/more rage means MIi Sword is actually going to have a hard time killing unless he sees a free Uair potential or OoS UpB.
So...it's DI dependent? What's the best way to DI to avoid it?
 

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So...it's DI dependent? What's the best way to DI to avoid it?
Well again, it's best to condition the opposing Mii Sword to keep them guessing. Facing rightward, his Dthrow puts you in a :GCUR: angle. DIing towards him makes it easier for him to connect the Uair, but he'll whiff if he had move forward prior to jumping towards you (his aerial mobility might be terrible). DIing away can still be caught by him if he has move forward by ground by a lot after the throw and can hit you, but will whiff if he hasn't traveled enough distance on foot. He has surprisingly a lot of time to get it to connect.

In a sense it's like Zelda's Dthrow but better, so it's best to leave 'em guessing to avoid it. If you're at too high percentages, he'll have to resort to less reliable options to try and kill you, which actually puts you at an advantageous state.
 

Gay Ginger

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Farore's, Dair, and her grab game are Zelda's saving graces. Without them she would be bottom tier. With them she's better than a few characters but still low tier.
She's still bottom tier with them.

What characters are worse than her?

Even Mii Swordfighter sounds like he has more things going for him than what Zelda has. And being better than a few characters still makes her bottom 5 out of a game with over 50 characters.

I honestly think Zelda is significantly worse than almost every other character in this game.

She's a defensive character who can't play well defensively even if opponents approach her because her moves are so terrible, and she has no way to approach or be effective offensively.

Her best moves are slightly to moderately above average, while most of her moves are sub-par and she has several moves that are contenders for being some of the worst moves of their kind (Din's Fire, Phantom, Lightning Kicks, U-air).

Her grab game is fairly good, but the combos stop at mid-high percents and her grab is slow for its range and it has bad end lag. Farore's is a good recovery but it's not even reliable as a KO/punish and she had almost all of her moves nerfed in exchange for it.

At least in Brawl she had decent/good moves but was hindered by having a move-set that was based entirely on playing counter-offensively/defensively; in Smash 4 she has the same move-set problems but now her moves are bad individually...

I might be the most pessimistic Zelda player here, but I honestly see more positive qualities in almost every other "bad" character than in Zelda.

Yeah, we can still win with her and she's not unusable but she's atrociously bad.

The Zelda defense forces are gonna come after me now :secretkpop:
 
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Controversy time~ Zelda's MUs IMO

Slight Advantage: :4samus:
Very slight Advantage: :4dedede:
Even: :4robinf::4wiifit::4rob::4bowserjr::4ganondorf:
Very Slight Disadvantage: :4charizard::4bowser::4dk::4villager::4duckhunt::4lucina::4lucario::4miisword:
Slight Disadvantage: :4kirby::4jigglypuff::4falco::4drmario::4mario::4marth::rosalina::4myfriends::4palutena::4mewtwo::4miigun:
Disadvantage: :4gaw::4pacman::4luigi::4pikachu::4pit::4darkpit::4falcon::4diddy::4metaknight::4olimar::4greninja::4link::4tlink::4wario::4yoshi::4ness:
Strong Disadvantage: :4megaman::4fox::4miibrawl::4peach::4littlemac::4shulk:
Very Strong Disadvantage: :4sonic::4sheik::4zss:


I'm still being optimistic with these very slight terms smh ; w ;
It's very sad, and really pessimistic. And more wrong than true;
 

Jaedrik

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Tell me about this cultural phenomena known as the Zelda social board.
This place GOES, and is in a remote location, for a weak character. But it GOES.
WHY DOE
 

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Tell me about this cultural phenomena known as the Zelda social board.
This place GOES, and is in a remote location, for a weak character. But it GOES.
WHY DOE
Because we are followers of the Best Queen in Hyrule. :yeahboi:

edit: Anyone up for some matches? I wanna clean some rust off.
 
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FullMoon

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Since we're listing MUs here, might as well do one for the frog:

-1: :4sheik::4sonic::4fox:
+-0: :4bowserjr::4diddy::4lucario::4mario::4megaman::4metaknight::4ness::4olimar::4pacman::4peach::4pikachu::4pit::4darkpit::rosalina::4shulk::4villager::4zss::4wario::4kirby::4miibrawl::4rob::4yoshi::4miigun:
+1: :4bowser::4falcon::4charizard::4dedede::4drmario::4duckhunt::4falco::4gaw::4myfriends::4littlemac::4marth::4lucina::4luigi::4mewtwo::4palutena::4robinm::4tlink::4link::4wiifit::4zelda::4dk::4ganondorf::4samus::4miisword:
+2: :4jigglypuff:

I'm sure some of those might be in the wrong places but that's how I feel about it =V
 

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Since we're listing MUs here, might as well do one for the frog:

-1: :4sheik::4sonic::4fox:
+-0: :4bowserjr::4diddy::4lucario::4mario::4megaman::4metaknight::4ness::4olimar::4pacman::4peach::4pikachu::4pit::4darkpit::rosalina::4shulk::4villager::4zss::4wario::4kirby::4miibrawl::4rob::4yoshi::4miigun:
+1: :4bowser::4falcon::4charizard::4dedede::4drmario::4duckhunt::4falco::4gaw::4myfriends::4littlemac::4marth::4lucina::4luigi::4mewtwo::4palutena::4robinm::4tlink::4link::4wiifit::4zelda::4dk::4ganondorf::4samus::4miisword:
+2: :4jigglypuff:

I'm sure some of those might be in the wrong places but that's how I feel about it =V
I saw here there's a big tourney in Brazil. Are you going? We'll cheer for you :D
 
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