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[FullMoon]

Only Ito said that, he's the only MK that plays a good Frog that abuses the janky side b. And imo he's the best MK so i believe him...

You talking about the hitstun cancel? Because otherwise Shadow Sneak is hardly janky. I mean even the hitstun cancel is barely useful lol.

 

[Jestar]

From Urban Dictionary:

Weeaboo
Someone who is obsessed with Japan/Japanese Culture/Anime, etc. and attempts to act as if they were Japanese, even though they're far from it.

 

[EODM07]

Just randomly found this on KYM. I was hoping it'd get looped, and here it is. :'D

Haha lmao.
A weeaboo is, well, a weeaboo

 

[warionumbah2]

Haha lmao.
A weeaboo is, well, a weeaboo

This is a normal person who's not japenese but watches anime will say irl
"Wow that's cool"

Weaboo cosplayer
"KAWAI *insert quote from anime" BAKA BAKA SUGOI KAWAI. SEMPEI!!" <-- Google power

You talking about the hitstun cancel? Because otherwise Shadow Sneak is hardly janky. I mean even the hitstun cancel is barely useful lol.

The fact that you can avoid the second hit is janky as hell, no other character has this. The grounded version has more hitstun so he can't jank his way out of the second hit.

 

[Macchiato]

@ Macchiato Does Deep Breathing increase WFT's knockback?

Damage
Knockback
Weight (by like half a point)

EDIT: I dedicate this page steal to this song

 

[Nammy12]

From Urban Dictionary:

Weeaboo
Someone who is obsessed with Japan/Japanese Culture/Anime, etc. and attempts to act as if they were Japanese, even though they're far from it.

I've always wondered if non-japanese asian can become a weeaboo.

 

[Trieste SP]

I've always wondered if non-japanese asian can become a weeaboo.

I'm curious too as I live near Japan.

I enjoy watching anime when I'm not busy but I don't act like a 'weeaboo'.

 

[FullMoon]

This is a normal person who's not japenese but watches anime will say irl
"Wow that's cool"

Weaboo cosplayer
"KAWAI *insert quote from anime" BAKA BAKA SUGOI KAWAI. SEMPEI!!" <-- Google power



The fact that you can avoid the second hit is janky as hell, no other character has this. The grounded version has more hitstun so he can't jank his way out of the second hit.

Funny, when I first mentioned that Greninja could do that you said it wouldn't make much of a difference or something along those lines.

 

[warionumbah2]

Theorycraft plus I assumed it wasn't bull**** since kata was beating the frog user at his scene. But it turns out that player didn't abuse that and also I discovered the rco lag on another special smh.

If you hit MK during his 2nd loop he will be locked, he can't move and the landing lag is cancer. They'll patch it out since they noticed his cape rco lag, but this one will be harder to spot since the team probably think that shuttle loop can't be interrupted but ohohohohoooooboi.

Edit: that was also during the time where ito was flip flopping between diddy and MK, so i didn't 100% trust what he said. But I said back then that I didn't care because who's gonna come at me with greninja?

 

[Mericus]

Does anyone here have Dissidia 012 and access to Ad Hoc Party ?
I'm feeling better than usual today and I'd like to see if I can scrap off some rust :u

 

[EODM07]

Does anyone here have Dissidia 012 and access to Ad Hoc Party ?
I'm feeling better than usual today and I'd like to see if I can scrap off some rust :u

Nope. I've only played the original Dissidia. But that was it. I've lost interest in the PSP sadly.

And since we talked about JoJo's earlier. Here's something:

Spoiler: Image is a bit big

 

[SBphiloz4]

Controversy time~ Zelda's MUs IMO

Slight Advantage:
Very slight Advantage:
Even:
Very Slight Disadvantage:
Slight Disadvantage:
Disadvantage:
Strong Disadvantage:
Very Strong Disadvantage:

I'm still being optimistic with these very slight terms smh ; w ;

 

[Antonykun]

Nope. I've only played the original Dissidia. But that was it. I've lost interest in the PSP sadly.

And since we talked about JoJo's earlier. Here's something:

Spoiler: Image is a bit big

is that Kars?

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

how the heck does any character lose to Swordfighter

 

[EODM07]

Controversy time~ Zelda's MUs IMO

Slight Advantage:
Very slight Advantage:
Even:
Very Slight Disadvantage:
Slight Disadvantage:
Disadvantage:
Strong Disadvantage:
Very Strong Disadvantage:

I'm still being optimistic with these very slight terms smh ; w ;

Nice to see Zelda has an amazing matchup against and

 

[Mericus]

Nope. I've only played the original Dissidia. But that was it. I've lost interest in the PSP sadly.

;-;
Can't find anyone these days.

 

[Soul.]

Zelda vs. Pika in disadvantage.
lol what a surprise. so much for "She has Farore's; Pika is light. KO the thing ASAP!"

 

[Kofu]

how the heck does any character lose to Swordfighter

Up Air.

 

[SBphiloz4]

how the heck does any character lose to Swordfighter

My reasons why vs is in Mii's favour (and frankly, this might be his only good MU)

- Mii Sword is decently fast on foot, small in size. Pretty good way to avoid Zelda's attacks
- Sword has decent range attacks, Fair shuts down her aerial game, Dtilt shuts down her ground game AND puts her in an extremely disadvantageous state. Ftilt and jab are decent too
- Hoo-hah kills Zelda at like 80% wtf. He can grab Zelda somewhat easily
- OoS UpB can punish lots of Zelda's whiffed moves and can kill early

It's true that Sword's frame data is atrocious. so he can easily be punished by Zelda if he is being unsafe with his moves. But at least he has a reliable way to kill, and somewhat better mobility which can dictate stage control, and thus the match. On paper this MU is stupidly boring to watch though.

 

[Antonykun]

Up Air.

up air would have been whined about in CCI...if it wasn't on Swordfighter

 

[Rizen]

Farore's, Dair, and her grab game are Zelda's saving graces. Without them she would be bottom tier. With them she's better than a few characters but still low tier.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

My reasons why vs is in Mii's favour (and frankly, this might be his only good MU)

- Mii Sword is decently fast on foot, small in size. Pretty good way to avoid Zelda's attacks
- Sword has decent range attacks, Fair shuts down her aerial game, Dtilt shuts down her ground game AND puts her in an extremely disadvantageous state. Ftilt and jab are decent too
- Hoo-hah kills Zelda at like 80% wtf. He can grab Zelda somewhat easily
- OoS UpB can punish lots of Zelda's whiffed moves and can kill early

It's true that Sword's frame data is atrocious. so he can easily be punished by Zelda if he is being unsafe with his moves. But at least he has a reliable way to kill, and somewhat better mobility which can dictate stage control, and thus the match. On paper this MU is stupidly boring to watch though.

Is hoo hah guaranteed? typing hoo hah when not referring to Diddy feels so weird wtf

 

[Antonykun]

Is hoo hah guaranteed? typing hoo hah when not referring to Diddy feels so weird wtf

down throw up air is not guaranteed on any character at kill percents even on halberd

 

[SBphiloz4]

Is hoo hah guaranteed? typing hoo hah when not referring to Diddy feels so weird wtf

Even at ~100% with minimum rage, Mii Sword's Hoohah can be a true combo AND kill. That is, if he does guess the DI right. Any higher percentage/more rage means MIi Sword is actually going to have a hard time killing unless he sees a free Uair potential or OoS UpB.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

down throw up air is not guaranteed on any character at kill percents even on halberd

Even at ~100% with minimum rage, Mii Sword's Hoohah can be a true combo AND kill. That is, if he does guess the DI right. Any higher percentage/more rage means MIi Sword is actually going to have a hard time killing unless he sees a free Uair potential or OoS UpB.

So...it's DI dependent? What's the best way to DI to avoid it?

 

[EODM07]

One of these days. I will challenge one of you online. >:3

Plus, I need to get a bit of rust off.

 

[Antonykun]

how the heck does any character lose to Swordfighter

oh yeah
you forget who we're talking about

 

[evmaxy54]

If BK can get Zelda offstage he can try to exploit her recovery with default Up B when she goes to the ledge & try to get the spike.

So...it's DI dependent? What's the best way to DI to avoid it?

Away from BK

 

[SBphiloz4]

So...it's DI dependent? What's the best way to DI to avoid it?

Well again, it's best to condition the opposing Mii Sword to keep them guessing. Facing rightward, his Dthrow puts you in a angle. DIing towards him makes it easier for him to connect the Uair, but he'll whiff if he had move forward prior to jumping towards you (his aerial mobility might be terrible). DIing away can still be caught by him if he has move forward by ground by a lot after the throw and can hit you, but will whiff if he hasn't traveled enough distance on foot. He has surprisingly a lot of time to get it to connect.

In a sense it's like Zelda's Dthrow but better, so it's best to leave 'em guessing to avoid it. If you're at too high percentages, he'll have to resort to less reliable options to try and kill you, which actually puts you at an advantageous state.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

@ SBphiloz4 We should play again sometime soon! I wanna try out this MU now that I know a bit more about it. Zelda vs. Zelderly let's go :^)

 

[Gay Ginger]

Farore's, Dair, and her grab game are Zelda's saving graces. Without them she would be bottom tier. With them she's better than a few characters but still low tier.

She's still bottom tier with them.

What characters are worse than her?

Even Mii Swordfighter sounds like he has more things going for him than what Zelda has. And being better than a few characters still makes her bottom 5 out of a game with over 50 characters.

I honestly think Zelda is significantly worse than almost every other character in this game.

She's a defensive character who can't play well defensively even if opponents approach her because her moves are so terrible, and she has no way to approach or be effective offensively.

Her best moves are slightly to moderately above average, while most of her moves are sub-par and she has several moves that are contenders for being some of the worst moves of their kind (Din's Fire, Phantom, Lightning Kicks, U-air).

Her grab game is fairly good, but the combos stop at mid-high percents and her grab is slow for its range and it has bad end lag. Farore's is a good recovery but it's not even reliable as a KO/punish and she had almost all of her moves nerfed in exchange for it.

At least in Brawl she had decent/good moves but was hindered by having a move-set that was based entirely on playing counter-offensively/defensively; in Smash 4 she has the same move-set problems but now her moves are bad individually...

I might be the most pessimistic Zelda player here, but I honestly see more positive qualities in almost every other "bad" character than in Zelda.

Yeah, we can still win with her and she's not unusable but she's atrociously bad.

The Zelda defense forces are gonna come after me now

 

[SBphiloz4]

@ SBphiloz4 We should play again sometime soon! I wanna try out this MU now that I know a bit more about it. Zelda vs. Zelderly let's go :^)

Yeye. But after my arm heals :^(

 

[Antonykun]

@ SBphiloz4 We should play again sometime soon! I wanna try out this MU now that I know a bit more about it. Zelda vs. Zelderly let's go :^)

with a 3DS you can substitue Phil for me :D

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

with a 3DS you can substitue Phil for me :D

I'd love to play you Antony but when I try to play on 3DS I turn into a disaster lol. Thanks for the offer tho~

 

[PUK]

Controversy time~ Zelda's MUs IMO

Slight Advantage:
Very slight Advantage:
Even:
Very Slight Disadvantage:
Slight Disadvantage:
Disadvantage:
Strong Disadvantage:
Very Strong Disadvantage:

I'm still being optimistic with these very slight terms smh ; w ;

It's very sad, and really pessimistic. And more wrong than true;

 

[Jaedrik]

Tell me about this cultural phenomena known as the Zelda social board.
This place GOES, and is in a remote location, for a weak character. But it GOES.
WHY DOE

 

[EODM07]

Tell me about this cultural phenomena known as the Zelda social board.
This place GOES, and is in a remote location, for a weak character. But it GOES.
WHY DOE

Because we are followers of the Best Queen in Hyrule.

edit: Anyone up for some matches? I wanna clean some rust off.

 

[FullMoon]

Since we're listing MUs here, might as well do one for the frog:

-1:
+-0:
+1:
+2:

I'm sure some of those might be in the wrong places but that's how I feel about it =V

 

[kenniky]

Since we're listing MUs here, might as well do one for the frog:

-1:
+-0:
+1:
+2:

I'm sure some of those might be in the wrong places but that's how I feel about it =V

I saw here there's a big tourney in Brazil. Are you going? We'll cheer for you :D

 

[Macchiato]

I'd love to play you Antony but when I try to play on 3DS I turn into a disaster lol. Thanks for the offer tho~

ill play you in 15 mins