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[ZombieBran]

Maybe he influenced her to go all ninja style once she saw the man in tights.

I would not blame her.

 

[Lozjam]

I agree on a lot of his ideals doe. Putting Ridley in would ruin his character since he wouldn't be big And scary. Dark pit was was put in because they had extra time in development. Even if there wasn't dark out there wouldn't be any more extra characters anyways

Look at it this way. Still, this isn't about characters, but ideals. Again, look at Aonuma. Aonuma takes a look at games like Skyrim and SotC and says "Wow! I'm flattered these games took inspiration from Zelda. I wonder if I can add some mechanics from these games with improvements to improve upon the Zelda formula!"
Sakurai takes a look at P:M and PSAS and says "It's stupid, I hate it, I am going to do everything I can to make it not like these games".

 

[Salad Bowl]

Hah! I didn't even realize @Hyrule Candy had ditched us. No wonder I hadn't seen him in the thread for some time. Well, it was good to have another optimistic Zelda main around for a while.

I'm friggin tired so I'm not gonna weigh in much on Sakurai's decisions right now. Instead, I'll just saw that Cruel melee / Cruel Brawl / Cruel Smash are the worst modes in the series and I'm not sure why they keep coming back.

We have me well be fine

Look at it this way. Still, this isn't about characters, but ideals. Again, look at Aonuma. Aonuma takes a look at games like Skyrim and SotC and says "Wow! I'm flattered these games took inspiration from Zelda. I wonder if I can add some mechanics from these games with improvements to improve upon the Zelda formula!"
Sakurai takes a look at P:M and PSAS and says "It's stupid, I hate it, I am going to do everything I can to make it not like these games".

He did take a few things from PM tho. Like charizard uthrow,

 

[Salad Bowl]

@ Lozjam wanna play?

 

[rabbit.soaring]

So anybody want to talk about and ?

 

[Lozjam]

@ Lozjam wanna play?

Sure.

 

[evmaxy54]

So anybody want to talk about and ?

Spam FW til the cows come home (like always)

Though really, I can see FW being quite good against DHD because projectile spam being quite laggy this time round. I honestly have no idea how to deal with Pacman tbh ;_;

 

[Salad Bowl]

Sure.

ill open a room

 

[rabbit.soaring]

Spam FW til the cows come home (like always)

I was thinking more their overall viability, but sure, I guess that works too lol.

 

[Salad Bowl]

@ Lozjam whyd u leave

 

[LiteralGrill]

Wasn't Mac a special case? Sakurai saw that Mac also had an abnormal amount of players in FG. If Zelda has a low amount of players and low win rate, he might make the connection.

You raise a fair point. Maybe Zelda will get some love then in an upcoming patch.

 

[Farorae]

The amount of people misinterpreting that Sakurai click bait article in the comments makes me a sad panda

 

[Phenomiracle]

Cool to see me quoted here, but Sakurai mentioned that with Little Mac he still used the data to nerf him despite him losing a LOT.

The only big Little Mac change I'm aware of from 1.0.4 is his reduced aerial side-B range, correct me if I'm wrong.

While which, for the most part, is regarded as a hilarious nerf, it may be a buff in Sakurai's mind, given that he may have made the change to prevent scrubby players from accidentally side-Bing off the stage.

Lucina has two smexy red haired costumes

But yet again, Marth is fabulous

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Which animation of hers is that?

 

[Latte]

I think sometime we should all have a field trip and go to another character's social for a day. We can spread the gaycat trend and maybe even recruit some more sisters for our sister army.

 

[rabbit.soaring]

I think sometime we should all have a field trip and go to another character's social for a day. We can spread the gaycat trend and maybe even recruit some more sisters for our sister army.

I approve of this. Does tomorrow work for everyone?

EDIT: Oh wait let's all go to the Lucina boards to screw with Hyrule Candy

 

[Fernosaur]

Omg are we dissing Sakurai? LET ME JOIN THE BANDWAGON

He has tendinitis, which is something I have in common with him.
The thing about Sakurai, is he does too much work himself. Something that isn't healthy for him, nor the game. Smash 4 turned out great(though I hate Smash Tour with a passion. It is so stupid, and they should have focused that development time either on an adventure mode, or more characters. Though, I also think Smash 3DS was a waste as well. Just think how even more amazing Smash Wii U would be if the 3DS version didn't exist.) but it has problems covered too much by Sakurai's ideals. Let's take a look at Aonuma in comparison. Aonuma listens to both his development team and his fans. He realized some of his ideals in the past, such as lack of exploration in SS and lack of overall innovation, were flawed and Aonuma went to fix it. He not only wanted to fix these problems, but he wants to fix problems that every Zelda game had. He made A Link Between Worlds to check this mentality, and to his suspense, he was very correct. Aonuma also wanted to see how players liked exploring a world, so he made WWHD. He is not only going to apply these ideals to Zelda Wii U, he is going to improve upon them and fix the problems people had with ALBW and WWHD had. This is extremely good for the series, and is what makes me excited for Zelda Wii U. Aonuma also gives his developers more freedom, allowing for more innovative design. We saw that in ALBW's dungeons, and I have to say, the dungeons were amazing.
Sakurai however, keeps the same mindset in his ideals. Creating lack of innovation, and little improvement among this whole series. Smash 4 is still changed from Brawl, but it is still the least changed game in the series.

He is a very stale creator by now. You just have to look at most of the Kirby games. Despite the graphic looks, most of them rely on a specific gimmick, but the everything else is exactly the same. The man is good at creative casual gameplay, but you can't ask him to go deeper than that because it's super ingrained in his head.

A very good example of how stuck he is inside his own ideas are the graphic designs for all of his games' interfaces.

Also the difficulty menu for Kid Icarus:

Look familiar, anyone?

Don't get me wrong, I respect him for being a very hard worker, specially because he was basically forced into doing Sm4sh, but this man stopped being innovative a long, long time ago.

Also, Aonuma is the best thing that has happened to Nintendo since it started making videogames :D

 

[Latte]

I approve of this. Does tomorrow work for everyone?

EDIT: Oh wait let's all go to the Lucina boards to screw with Hyrule Candy

LOL are we actually doing this? We'll have to decide on a board to go to. The Lucina board is a good suggestion. Visiting our ex-sister HC sounds like fun.

Anyone have other suggestions?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Lucina boards is great

Edit: also blame sakurai's wife for the menus

 

[Phenomiracle]

Omg are we dissing Sakurai? LET ME JOIN THE BANDWAGON

He is a very stale creator by now.

-menu snip-

I've brought this up before, and met with silence. Is no one else bothered with how, at least aesthetically (and through specific audio cues), Smash 4 resembles Brawl far too much?

Hell, just look at Bowser's Final Smash, Giga Bowser, who retains Brawl Bowser's moveset. It's rather embarrassing how blatant this game's overall design seems as a direct build off of Brawl's engine. I don't doubt a lot of heart went into Smash 4, but as it looks, I'm not surprised at some superficial comments I've seen saying that this game looks like Brawl.

Nearly every veteran's moveset/animation/voice files are identical to their counterparts in Brawl, nearly nothing added to spice things up with their reappearances, which is ridiculously disappointing. Mario, Link, and Peach come to mind as the most egregious examples of direct rips.

I mean, for Zelda they decided to use Brawl's exact same voice files. I would have very much appreciated them calling back Jun Mizusawa for some rerecordings or new screams for moves.

Also, Aonuma is the best thing that has happened to Nintendo since it started making videogames :D

Until ALBW, I would have greatly disagreed with you. Aonuma has yet to top Wind Waker, and he's released a bunch of handheld titles (all of whom were solid Zelda experiences, save for Phantom Hourglass), and two mediocre console games.

Though the more we hear and see of Zelda U, the more promising it sounds.

 

[Farorae]

Omg are we dissing Sakurai? LET ME JOIN THE BANDWAGON



He is a very stale creator by now. You just have to look at most of the Kirby games. Despite the graphic looks, most of them rely on a specific gimmick, but the everything else is exactly the same. The man is good at creative casual gameplay, but you can't ask him to go deeper than that because it's super ingrained in his head.

A very good example of how stuck he is inside his own ideas are the graphic designs for all of his games' interfaces.

Also the difficulty menu for Kid Icarus:

Look familiar, anyone?

Don't get me wrong, I respect him for being a very hard worker, specially because he was basically forced into doing Sm4sh, but this man stopped being innovative a long, long time ago.

Also, Aonuma is the best thing that has happened to Nintendo since it started making videogames :D

Eh I still like him and think he's pretty innovative, but yeah as Aero mentioned Sakurai's wife makes the menus AFAIK. They aren't that bad but they need improvement, maybe he just doesn't realize lol. The only real problem I have with the game is smash your and Fox's new voice.

 

[Latte]

Okay, then it's decided.

Tomorrow I'm going to be taking a break from the Zelda boards and posting on the Lucina boards for a day. Anyone who wants to come can join me.

Watch out, Lucina boards

We're coming.

Soon.​

 

[Furret]

You raise a fair point. Maybe Zelda will get some love then in an upcoming patch.

last I remember the 1.0.4 or whatever its called was final balance patch. Although I do doubt that since Mew2 isn't in yet

Edit:

Okay, then it's decided.

Tomorrow I'm going to be taking a break from the Zelda boards and posting on the Lucina boards for a day. Anyone who wants to come can join me.

Watch out, Lucina boards

We're coming.

Soon.​

do I really have to wake up to this?

 

[Salad Bowl]

GGs @ Lozjam You definitely improved since. Ur becoming a tight ganon main. So now i use toon link. any advice for zelda, jiggs, and toon link. (I just wanted to play around with wii fit and kirby)

 

[Lozjam]

Have to go gg's I got better huh? Still not perfect yet, but better nonetheless. Give suggestions please, I'll give suggestions for you later. I have to go now. I am meeting that one girl for coffee to tell her I'm not interested one bit in her. I'll do it lightly though, wish me luck!

 

[Farorae]

Okay, then it's decided.

Tomorrow I'm going to be taking a break from the Zelda boards and posting on the Lucina boards for a day. Anyone who wants to come can join me.

Watch out, Lucina boards

We're coming.

Soon.​

Slay gurrrllll I believe in you.

 

[Salad Bowl]

Have to go gg's I got better huh? Still not perfect yet, but better nonetheless. Give suggestions please, I'll give suggestions for you later. I have to go now. I am meeting that one girl for coffee to tell her I'm not interested one bit in her. I'll do it lightly though, wish me luck!

good luck lol. sometimes you got too repetitve and i was able to catch on like your chain of flame chokes. other than that i dont have anything else. haha when you can give me advice on my jiggs, toon link, and zelda

 

[JigglyZelda003]

in sakurais defense I'm glad he is NOT going the route of PSAS. It was a nice game but the devs Nerfed some characters for no reason to the point of being unusable and every patch made the game more unstable and buffed already good characters never really fixing any core problems.

 

[Fernosaur]

Yeah, I know his wife designs the menus for his games, but the fact that he doesn't choose ANY art direction for graphic design whatsoever is the problem here. He's the game's director. Just because it's his wife doesn't mean they have to do the same thing over and over :'D

Until ALBW, I would have greatly disagreed with you. Aonuma has yet to top Wind Waker, and he's released a bunch of handheld titles (all of whom were solid Zelda experiences, save for Phantom Hourglass), and two mediocre console games.

Though the more we hear and see of Zelda U, the more promising it sounds.

Majora's Mask > Life.

Wind Waker is my second favorite though c:

 

[rabbit.soaring]

I've been waiting for an excuse to share this, but I didn't get one. So here.

 

[Furret]

I've been waiting for an excuse to share this, but I didn't get one. So here.

yep I've had enough for today, see you guys tomorrow

 

[Latte]

Is today opposite day

 

[SBphiloz4]

Going to the Lucina boards be like--
>Lucina is a sh*t waifu get rekt
>Marf is better, he's more waifu
>Zelda 3 sass 5 u
>Lucina is flat out boring to use, just like her chest. :^)

Among other things.

 

[SBphiloz4]

I've been waiting for an excuse to share this, but I didn't get one. So here.

Night of nights! Ironically, that's the game theme to Sakuya, which so happens to be my character avatar.

 

[evmaxy54]

The only big Little Mac change I'm aware of from 1.0.4 is his reduced aerial side-B range, correct me if I'm wrong.

While which, for the most part, is regarded as a hilarious nerf, it may be a buff in Sakurai's mind, given that he may have made the change to prevent scrubby players from accidentally side-Bing off the stage.



Which animation of hers is that?

LM's continuous jab got nerfed as well, it does 13% now as opposed to 18% pre-patch.

Also I have no idea what animation it is sadly ;_;

Also I might join you @ L Latte & troll visit the Lucina boards

Also @ SBphiloz4 that burn!

Also

 

[Salad Bowl]

I have picked up toon link. woo

 

[BJN39]

@ evmaxy54 I'm pretty sure the animation Zelda is using is her curry "Ow! hot!" Animation. As you can see, Marth appears to be invincible (star) so it would work.

Otherwise perhaps it's like, frame 1 or 2 of some on hit animation.

Also, count me in on at least seeing this Waifu board v waifu board action. ;3

 

[Farorae]

Going to the Lucina boards be like--
>Lucina is a sh*t waifu get rekt
>Marf is better, he's more waifu
>Zelda 3 sass 5 u
>Lucina is flat out boring to use, just like her chest. :^)

Among other things.

Good luck, slay them.

 

[Nammy12]

Going to the Lucina boards be like--
>Lucina is a sh*t waifu get rekt
>Marf is better, he's more waifu
>Zelda 3 sass 5 u
>Lucina is flat out boring to use, just like her chest. :^)

Among other things.

That last one is amazing.
Tomorrow shall be an eventful day.

 

[BJN39]

Inb4sumzeldasgetbannedduringourvisit.

Edit : OOOH! Idea: we could use this visit to get direct MU data on Lucina as well!

 

[evmaxy54]

@ evmaxy54 I'm pretty sure the animation Zelda is using is her curry "Ow! hot!" Animation. As you can see, Marth appears to be invincible (star) so it would work.

Otherwise perhaps it's like, frame 1 or 2 of some on hit animation.

Also, count me in on at least seeing this Waifu board v waifu board action. ;3

You may be right sis, though her body has flames over her when she eats the curry, but certainly it's the same animation