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Well, there was a general rage, but there was also rage for specific characters. I especially remember the one with Kilik, it was intense. "OH GOD WHAT HAVE THEY DONE D:"
I actually agree with that.
... But I also agree with that.
Sure, but that's just an argument to keep the topic out of those threads, not this one. And I'd actually argue that the conversation/perspective is a little different in Sheik's thread and Impa's thread than it is here, in the Zelda-as-a-whole thread. *shrug* But I get the frustration. Still, really the issue is that there's nothin' better to talk about anyway.
She's important in Ocarina of Time, a game that was recently remade, people know her, and she's a ninja, which besides her, we don't have anyone who fits that category.
Well there is ONE other ninja option for Nintendo who is more recent and very very popular...not from Zelda though;
Is Impa really that important of a character in Ocarina of Time? Shiek is a lot more important.Ahem
Is that an argument for Sheik being more important of a character or Impa being more important? It could be taken as "Sheik is Zelda, the title character of the series" or alternately as "Sheik isn't even a character, s/he's just an inconsequential costume change and a disguise".
Yeah, I'm kind of confused about what that point was too. Shy Guy, could you clarify a bit?
Important enough train/hide zelda, be one of the sages, and to also appear regularly in some form in other games. OOT impa is still referenced in WW's hyrule castle. She serves an even greater purpose in the long run, sheik is really only still around because she's been in the roster and is zelda, other than that she has less of a reason to be in than some of the Zelda characters people already shoot down on a regular basis.
Do you honestly believe that a character is more likely, purely based on the fact that they are an alter ego of a character already on the roster?
Yeah, or Dr. Mario would of been in before Wari-wait.
No one is denying sheiks chances, of course they are better since she has been in the last few smash games. Sakurai is a sap for "tradition for traditions sake", so that definitely gives her the edge. We're just saying there might be a better and more important character in impa who could inherit some of that character in the games moving forward. For us to get any change in these games and not end up playing a madden level update, a few eggs need to be broken and or changed. Impa is a character that still has potential to bring in new things and potential from new Zelda games, sheik has hit a brick wall since OOT. I'm a big fan of everything Zelda, but having the entire cast unchanged again seems boring as hell so I want a bit of change up if any. I know many don't want a damn thing different, but I can't agree with that when we wont find out unless they try some new things.
I suppose you could count it as an impressive feat we didn't see or know about until right at the end, but then if we're doing this surely Din, Nayru and Farore should be in over Sheik, since they created the world and the Triforce in the first place.Because being able to show up from nowhere and escaping the great king of evil for seven years, yet bearing the Triforce of Wisdom is less impressive than being trapped in a dark dungeon now?
Considering Ganon thoroughly whooped Link's ass and killed him in one of the timelines, I don't think there's anything easy about it.
That's a good point, but...
At this point, we should have Miyamoto as a Zelda rep as he created the goddesses that created HyruleI suppose you could count it as an impressive feat we didn't see or know about until right at the end, but then if we're doing this surely Din, Nayru and Farore should be in over Sheik, since they created the world and the Triforce in the first place.
I mean we didn't see much of it(save for a small cutscene), but that's more impressive than running and hiding from a scary man who is easily bested by a floppy haired elf in tights.
Ladies and Gentlemen; Our Zelda rep.At this point, we should have Miyamoto as a Zelda rep as he created the goddesses that created Hyrule
Well, we could have Miyamoto's parents, as they created Miyamoto
But at this point, the joke is going too far.
I'm not really sure how that's relevent to what I said. Do you only want Sheik to stay because she's already in? There are people who want Ganondorf to stay the same just because they've gotten used to how he is now, which I think is dumb.
You know I'm 99.9% sure this is how the Stork thread happened and gained so much momentum.Well, we could have Miyamoto's parents, as they created Miyamoto
I want Sheik because she is what makes Zelda really original. Zelda is the only character that can transform whenever she wants and without any downside. Zelda's moveset is great and original, Sheik's moveset is great and original too. Being able to switch if you want is, to me, a core of Zelda in Smash. Even if I play Zelda more, I like to switch if needed.
My personal picks still are Midna and Tingle. We'll see! I already have Zelda, and we will surely have Ganondorf, so everything will be fine for me anyway.
Admittedly though I'm not entirely sure who I'd prefer from the potential newcomers; Impa, Tingle, Vaati or Tetra. Each have their merits and flaws.
Watch as Sakurai suckerpunches us with Beedle now.
Hmm. . . Would you be fine with Impa replacing Sheik as part of Zelda's moveset? Not that anyone's expecting that at this point, but it's been suggested in the past. Personally, the way I see it, Sheik isn't very important to Zelda as a character, so pretending otherwise doesn't represent her very well.
I'm actually okay with Ganondorf fighting unarmed, I just don't think all the moves he has are very fitting.
I would be fine if we had the SS Zelda. It would not be a transform move, but a switch move. But as Zelda's look comes from Twilight Princess, the TP Impa would be a bit weird
I do like his side special in Brawl, but the moveset in general lacks a Ganondorf feel. I don't necessary want a sword, but some more magic would be cool.
I honestly don't think the designs should've been taken from any game. If I were making this, I would've created original designs that I felt best captured the feel of each character. But since that's not the case, then yes it would be weird to see Impa show up like that. Except that Sheik is also weird to see for the same reason. . . .I would be fine if we had the SS Zelda. It would not be a transform move, but a switch move. But as Zelda's look comes from Twilight Princess, the TP Impa would be a bit weird
. . . . so I have to ask: Do you want the transformation to stay just because you're used to it and you've grown to like it, or is there another reason? If Melee never happened, and you had to design Zelda, do you think you would've given her a transformation?
More magic punches would be nice.
Well, I'm used to it, I like it, but it's also for character diversity. Again, this transform move is unique in Smash, even with Samus and the Pokémon Trainer.
So what if a different character had that ability instead? Would that be fine?
Well, if it change Zelda and remove her originality I'm against it.
But this time, I clearly admit it's biased.
Regardless of what design is chosen, Zelda's uniqueness should come from her use of magic. She should be the one can fight without having to move around much. I don't see her losing any originality without a transformation.
Well, she would lose her ability to have another form hence her ability to handle things differently, and the ability to change tactics, hence the ability the destabilize the opponent.
Any character would benefit from that though, not just Zelda.
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But that takes me back to the first thing I said, where by that logic, Ganondorf's moves shouldn't be changed. But most people want that to happen. So why is Zelda different?Yep, but why removing it from her, when it can be added to others? Like, for example, Diddy Kong and Dixie (the switch with a DK barrel would be awesome)?
I'm fine with adding the "transform without downside" to others characters, by the way. But not removing it from an existing character. (especially the one I like the most
It would be like leaving Popo alone to have Plusle and Minun instead. Why not both? (yes, I like to use the Ice Climbers as an argument, I know