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[~ Gheb ~]

x1 if u r sure nabe aint mafia tho ... y did u say u believe him when he "outed" meh as indy? n i dun c y u think id have cced but w/e. we got dis game bagged eithah way n mah vote's on nabe where it belongs.

 

[X1-12]

I thought I'd troll you a little bit and see what you said.


@Sword: Only vote Nabe if:

You are OK the end the Day.

You are sure Gheb is the last scum. I can go into ages showing why he is but I cba right now and if you know there's no point in me showing you

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I thought I'd troll you a little bit

Gheb is the last scum. I can go into ages showing why he is

o i c

 

[X1-12]

U r da mafia bro. I explained it all in #1148 hence why it started with "I cba with this charade anymore" because I knew that u were the maf and he was the indy.

 

[X1-12]

cba = cbf since like no americans seem to know that and it might be a brit only thing

 

[~ Gheb ~]

ur 1148 is whack as hell tho

liek, i kno i cant change ur mind anymore so i "cba" 2 show u wrong. u basically r way 2 quick 2 take ur own assumptions as fact.

 

[X1-12]

Sorry what do you suggest? Lynch Nabe and then shoot me?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Are you still BP? You can't be, or you'd have pushed on obvscum me all Day, rather than after my claim. I'm sure that if your wincon were in jeopardy upon my lynch, you'd be trying something right now. Are you giving up? No, you'd have claimed if you were. I'm sure you don't think you'll be able to get Swords to shoot X1, but since you're claiming town, you should be pushing that the third kill on D2 wasn't you.

I'm curious, Gheb. Am I mafia? We know there to be a mafioso remaining. If I'm lying about you, what's my motive?

X1, you think I'm indy, and therefore that Gheb is mafia. Why isn't he trying anything in his defense? Why is he comfortable with being shot? If he plans to lynch me as his vote on me implies, then why is he not also trying to convince Swords to shoot you?

If he's mafia, why is he not squirming? There's no such thing as BP mafia, that's not the card he's playing from your perspective. So what do you think he's up to? You know he's not giving up.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

We know there to be a mafioso remaining.

elaborate?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Three kills on Night 2.

Swords + ??? + ???
One of those is mafia, there's no indy that could do that. Even if a PGO existed (it doesn't) DH was the only targeting townie of the three. No matter what you think the kills are, one of them is a mafia kill.

Fast-forward to now -- no third mafia has flipped. They're still alive. (Spoiler: it's me.)
Now answer my question.

 

[X1-12]

im not bulletproof eithah. anti-town bp in a 12 playah game? dat **** wud nevah get agreement by a mod -.-

You can say there is no anti-town BP in a game where there is almost certainly 3 killing roles, of some kind, each on different factions? which means that teh indy would have 2 chances of getting shot each Night. It looks VERY likely they are BP. Also a case in point. Majora's Mask was 11 players and that had a anti-town with full bulletproof. Also the fact you suggest something wouldn't get approved by a mod when we are playing a 13 man game where town was in a position which is statistically worse than LYLO after 1 mislynch is completely ridiculous.

dats jus dum lmao. u kno ur givin' nabe teh win, x1? if u mislynch me ull fall from 3 town vs 1 mafia 2 2 town vs 1 mafia n then hell kill sword. ull lose if dat happens ... kill priority goes by numbah of aligned playahs ... means vig kill has lowest priority cuz he has teh highest numbahs of playahs with same alignment.

Well actually earlier you were saying that kill priority is done based on how difficult it is for a certain faction to win (i.e inconstistency), and in this game its so hard for town to win. Either way as I have said I've spoken to the mod who says basically its what S2 told him to do, and S2 says he tells everyone to do "all kills at the same time"

yeah it was lol
don mind it tho im just salty rite nao bout u bein unable 2 reconsider ur stance.

but srsly it aint no situation 2 go with some ******** gambit by a CLAIMED MAFIOSO or 2 prove some theory dat can lose us teh game. u should rlly think it ovah. even tho - attention: sly, underhand comment - i doubt ull actually do it it aint teh time 2 b stubborn bout n tunnel 1 idea.

Do you have any sensible reasons to refute my points? Are you trying to hit a sorespot or something? Do you have any realistic alternatives that don't rely on the essentially cleared Vig and the essentially cleared cop being on some ridiculous master plan?

@Nabe: I'm assuming you are the indy poisoner. You poisoned someone last Night. If gheb has priority in kills over vig then he wins the game, even if he doesn't then your poison could be enough to win it for him. If we assume poison deaths same time as shots then its still a 50/50 chance of forcing a draw (if he shoots the one you didn't poison). He is not squirming because he is fairly good at this game and knows when to squirm and when not to.

@Gheb: Please explain to us what you think is going on. We will for the time being ride the assumption that Nabe is mafia. Tell us what you think everyones roles are and which player other than Nabe is anti-town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

nevah been bp

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

He is not squirming because he is fairly good at this game and knows when to squirm and when not to.

On the contrary, his wincon as mafia should dictate that he starts squirming. There is no way he could've ignored the existence of another scum in this game, Swiss would've seen to that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You can say there is no anti-town BP in a game where there is almost certainly 3 killing roles, of some kind, each on different factions? which means that teh indy would have 2 chances of getting shot each Night. It looks VERY likely they are BP.

we only had 1 occasion on which dere were actually 3 killz tho. i dun think we got 3 roles dat can strait up kill ppl liek dat.

Also a case in point. Majora's Mask was 11 players and that had a anti-town with full bulletproof. Also the fact you suggest something wouldn't get approved by a mod when we are playing a 13 man game where town was in a position which is statistically worse than LYLO after 1 mislynch is completely ridiculous.

? dun c ut u mean. how does dat affect teh assumed indy? in fact id think itd be even maor anti-town 2 make him bp. if we got an indy in teh game teh set-up would b already anti-town...but if teh indy was bp itd be beyond reason.

Well actually earlier you were saying that kill priority is done based on how difficult it is for a certain faction to win (i.e inconstistency), and in this game its so hard for town to win. Either way as I have said I've spoken to the mod who says basically its what S2 told him to do, and S2 says he tells everyone to do "all kills at the same time"

k

Do you have any sensible reasons to refute my points? Are you trying to hit a sorespot or something? Do you have any realistic alternatives that don't rely on the essentially cleared Vig and the essentially cleared cop being on some ridiculous master plan?

not hitting' a sorespot ... @ least not 2 make u slip or somethin' liek dat. kinda answered dat question earliah: im legit concerened u r not considerin' othah options. how clear is sword iyo? idk...2 meh im not sold on him bein' town fo' sho. its most likely teh last day, agreed? so id rlly liek u 2 take a step back n think bout all options ... its wut imma try'na achieve ... evn if u feel liek im provokin' u.

@Gheb: Please explain to us what you think is going on. We will for the time being ride the assumption that Nabe is mafia. Tell us what you think everyones roles are and which player other than Nabe is anti-town.

nabe is def mafia. assumin' anything else is wifomy n misleadin' and hes gotta flip anti-town. anything else wont mattah in his regard imo.
u r town but u need 2 get outa teh tunnel u r in rite nao
im vanilla townie
sword is teh "unknown factor" in teh game 2 meh. i cant tell if hes town or indy ... i dun c him as cleared. convince me n im down with ur plan.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

wuts "squirming"?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

If Swords is indy, town has lost. Town's chances of winning ride on Swordsvig being able to kill toNight.

 

[X1-12]

Gheb you are proposing we just straight up lynch the mafia (something we see when you just say "Claimed maf needs to die") when there is an unknown alignment killing role. A plan which would lose the game for town should Sword be not the Vig. You are asking me to consider the possibility that Sword is anti-town but you are voting Nabe straight away as though he is the only viable lynch toDay.

@Nabe: I'm assuming you are the indy poisoner. You poisoned someone last Night. If gheb has priority in kills over vig then he wins the game, even if he doesn't then your poison could be enough to win it for him (it kills a townie and he endgames mid-Night. If we assume poison deaths at same time as shots then its still a 50/50 chance of forcing a draw (if he shoots the one you didn't poison, thus resulting in all dead).

I added some bits to that to clarify.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Why Swords is not indy

Swords isn't compulsive if he's a vig, so the Kev kill is either indyGheb or indySwords. Swords, however, takes credit for the kill of Bed; Swords killed Bed, regardless of his alignment. So if Swords is indy, the DH kill requires there to be a town killing role, who would've claimed, or an unknowing town PGO, which could only be X1 making it unknowing PGO cop which would be BS to the extreme.

 

[X1-12]

ohohoho


get bumraeped

 

[~ Gheb ~]

i guess its too unliekly fo' sword 2 b anti-town. i can go in2 maor detail but idk ... itll actually look liek imma b goin' with teh flow n it feels weird. specially cuz one of them is confirmed anti-town.

n i still wanna kno what "squirming" means =/

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

By squirming, I mean that as mafia, you would be trying harder to survive and hit wincon. Your play shows us that you haven't given up the game, so your lack of attempt toDay to win as mafia means you're not mafia, but indy with a trick up their sleeve.

Note that this is from the perspective that you are scum, obviously.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

X1, didn't you say earlier in the game that you had a solid read on Ghebmafia meta, and that you weren't reading him as such?

 

[X1-12]

dictionary.com bro

 

[~ Gheb ~]

lol ok

@ least u r rite bout meh not bein' mafia

n y r ppl seein' a lack of attempt? i dun c how its teh case @ all.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

You came into the Day with no one in mind. You haven't attempted to do anything, aside from surviving through the Day. Since you're scum, that speaks to you being indy -- you're BP and if you make it through the Day, you win. I'm willing to bet that you win in a tie with mafia as well, meaning you can be completely neutral about who dies. It wasn't until I called you out on being indy that you went offensive on me.

 

[X1-12]

X1, didn't you say earlier in the game that you had a solid read on Ghebmafia meta, and that you weren't reading him as such?

I fink its his [fake] post restriction. Either that or Swiss was coaching him because he knows it too, and knows I know it. This card will get you nowhere in terms of indies because his indy meta fits his scum meta, I saw it in allstars and decided to stalk him, found out he was arsonist and claimed (lol the only game ever you could claim stalker and live to endgame)

Its pre' obvious at this point between Gheb and Nabe is a maf and an indy.


Reasons Nabe is the indy:

Earlier in game he was talking about how poisoner or arsonist would be imbalanced, presumably trying to push us away from the idea of such a thing.

Earlier you were asking if my cop returned maf/not maf or the specific alignments. Weakish indy tell

What he said Swiss was saying in the QT does not in any way match up to what Swiss would say. I am in a civil partnership (gay marriage) with that guy and I know how he would react.

Your maf claim had a whole in it. Had you claimed lightning bolt first time it would have been more believable. The fact I caught you in a lie you then retracted being a stalked but didn't straight away claim your other role, I had to ask you for it.

Indy is likely atleast 1 shot BP. It is genuinely in the interest of the indy to claim mafia, because so long as they get the lynch away from them they can survive shots in the Night. Mafia on the other hand have nothing to gain from claiming because they would need to survive both a lynch and a shot. This means even if they get the indy lynched they still lose.

That last one is also a reason gheb is the mafiat

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Urgh.

Lynch me then. I would prefer indy win over town at this point. I probably can't win, but I handed town the game and you threw it away.

 

[X1-12]

lol from someone else I might believe that, but from Sherlock himself, nahh.

Sworddancer is viewing so we can probably wrap this up tonight.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

We can wrap it up now. Pile on the votes.
Unvote, vote Nabe
I'll be out all night.

Sherlock is on an opium bender and can't take your call right now.

 

[X1-12]

Totally gonna wait for sworddancer first to make sure he hasn't taken something and decided he wants to shoot me, or in case he has some crazy **** to bring to the table.

@Sword: so long as you remember to shoot Gheb, I'm cool with you hammering any time

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I didn't shoot Gheb last Night, by the way.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually X1 I was idle. =/

Rereading this explosion of activity, but also going to dinner soon. Might not respond in awhile. However, just one thing I want to point out right now:

What he said Swiss was saying in the QT does not in any way match up to what Swiss would say. I am in a civil partnership (gay marriage) with that guy and I know how he would react.

X1, I'm not sure about this. I really just want to trust your judgment, but how are you so sure Swiss wouldn't not nk so to avoid looking scummy? Given he context of the situation we were in (were everyone thought there was scum inbetween you in Swiss) it makes sense that scum would not nk you. I mean, are you really sure about this?

 

[X1-12]

Sword you keeping going from replying -> viewing -> replying -> not replying...

just say something

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Btw me not hammering should pretty much prove I'm not indy at this point, if you guys still need reassurance.

 

[X1-12]

oh ninjad.

Yeah what he said about Swiss saying things just does not match up to what Swiss would say. He also lied about his claim I mean wtf.

Also the biggest swinger for me is that its only in the interest of indy to claim mafia.

 

[X1-12]

Back in the morning.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ok back.

Here's what I'm thinking: Nabe should probably be lynched toDay. X1s case on why Nabe is indy in convincing, expect for the part where he saids he knows what Swiss would say. I believe it's totally possible that Swiss did not want to kill X1 to look less scummy. Still, it makes sense that an indy Nabe would claim mafia. It's also quite clear that Nabe is trying really hard to live through the Day. I kinda wanta hammer him right now, and if he flips mafia and we go into the Night, then shoot Gheb and prey that he is not bp. In anycase, I'm still really feeling uncomfortable about this entire situation.

Like, I do think Gheb might actually be right, Nabe is mafia trying to gambit by getting Gheb lynched first and just hoping that his kill has priorty over mine. Rather or not Gheb is indy or not would not matter to him. Lighting rod is an odd claim but would make sense in a set up heavily populated by PRs. In matter of fact, a lot of what he's saying makes sense. Plus, in all honesty, Nabe even seems genuine in his claim, if that matters for anything.

This set up is really wierd anyway you look at it. An indy with a killing ability is balanced against town (any game where only one mislynch puts us in this situation sucks). However, without an indy and now you're looking at one of the most anti-scum games there is. The three kills that happened on N2 still bother me, and I really don't know what's up with that. It looks like it almost has to be an indy. Also, the existance of a town medium kinda suggests the existance of an indy, albeit in a weekish way.

@X1: Why would mafia Gheb shoot KevinM on N3? Why would mafia Gheb help lynch both of his partenrs?

 

[X1-12]

@X1: Why would mafia Gheb shoot KevinM on N3? Why would mafia Gheb help lynch both of his partenrs?

I think Gheb shot Nabe but it failed because Nabe is BP. I think Kev was poisoned on N2 because poisoner wanted to pick someone who wasn't going to get lynched (Sworddancer/Gova) or someone who would get NKed by maf (Me/Sworddancer/Gheb)

Gheb loves bussing. http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/RXMixPcBbG3

Swiss / X1 hyrda makes excellent bussing fodder. Unfortunately, you have a pretty powerful ability. I think we should bus you as soon as we get either the Doc or an investigator (Cop/Tracker mainly).

Expired, never buddy your scummates. Don't defend the mistakes others make. You are the godfather, you have immunity above everything. Do not associate yourself with any of us AT ANY TIME. If one of us is playing scummy BUS HIM.

In terms of bussing we should go by power/ability:

Bedevere -> Mad Scummy -> Goomba / Cheesecake

 

[#HBC | J]

Vote Count

1. X1-12- (0)

3. Gheb_01- (0)

8. SwordDancer- (0)

9. Nabe- (1) Nabe

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is January 14th, 4:00 PM Est.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You came into the Day with no one in mind. You haven't attempted to do anything, aside from surviving through the Day.

nah i jus didn tunnel on 1 particular player. i dun c wuts wrong 2 take ur time 4 a clear judgment on wat could be teh final day of teh game

It wasn't until I called you out on being indy that you went offensive on me.

it was moar liek dat it was an irrefutable tell ... cuz i kno im not indy n dat u made up all dat stuff 4 ur own benefit. i got offensive on u when it became obv. dat u r lyin' - i think dat should be mad easy 2 undahstand, yo.