You have to play gay

[Tudor]

Here is how I play:
1) Only Samus
2) No spam
3) Combo's
4) Entire Move set
5) Neutral Stages

Do I play to win?
Probably not, but I am good with my character and I beat a lot of people.

If you want to win tournaments then play ridiculously gay (because that's what other people are going to do to you). I always place in the top 25% at tournaments and usually in the top 10% even though i never sleep or eat before them (another bad decision but I choose to drive everyone). I don't win tournaments probably partially due to my play style, I do amazingly well against people who play me, but not so good against people who spam me or play ugly. Why? I don't want to play like that but lately i feel like i need to.

Want to know how to beat me?
Be really really good, or spam me and play like a scrub.

What i need to improve on?
Playing ugly against people who play ugly towards me.
For me this means spamming when I am being spammed and playing a lot more on horrible Samus counter pick stages.


I think it would be cool if we wrote what we think we need to improve on and maybe even posted a video to show why we lost because of this. This way we will hopefully remember this while we are playing and do what we need to, we can also get positive input from each other.

Rules for this:
1) Keep it to one goal (although it can be a pretty broad one)
2) Update when you achieved your goal and come up with another, ie always have a goal
3) Don't give up on your goal until you actually overcome it and stop losing because of it
4) Provide input for others



Hopefully this helps people and stuff, o and thanks hive for that taunt thread you started lol, that's kind of why i decided to make a serious thread ^^

BTW i don't have a video of what made me want to spam people who spam me, but pretty much what happened was I was ranking to go up in my crew and the person i was playing lost with their main against me really bad so the rest of the matches they counter picked kirby and went to green greens, jungle japes, rainbow cruise, pirate ship, etc and only used shiled, side dodge, and grab-uair until i was at high enough percent for them to spam f-smash. I lost on every counter pick and won on every neutral, score was 4-5 and i didn't end up moving in the ranks.

 

[Hive]

I've been asking around for advice lately and working on my game...
but I still think I need to work on close range combat more->
but mostly really* close range combat- like back and forth shielding
and keeping spacing after someone breaks my spam wall
(I actually don't mind spamming with her... I know that's lame... but I feel I'm somehow betraying samus if I don't lol ) I've gotten pretty good using missiles and zairs as a wall... but I see how people can hate that style....

I think you'd hate playing me tudor ^^, I spam all over the place.... but not just mindless spamming.... its more than just short hopping homing missiles and zairs all the time... most importantly you have to know when to stop.
I've seen your vids gainst zeta though, pretty kwl! I like how you used bombs to DI a lot and can work in higher ko attacks like bair and fsmash its something I need to work on I think...

 

[Tudor]

There's nothing wrong with any playstyle.

On close range i usually sh dair for pressure, and if it hit's or i see they will try to punish me for it, and up-b right after always hits.

 

[Hive]

yea up b is great- I love using it after dashes, dairs, dtilts, or whatever else puts my opponent above me.... I still need to work on punishing people after they start air dodging my screw attacks though :/

I like dair because its a fast way to surprise hit someone who's running after you out of pivot grab range... sometimes....
missiles are my favorites though.. they just look kwl I guess ^^ but I prolly use zairs more :/
I think people who beat me the most are people who can shield through spam to grab...
I think if I had to choose one thing that I need work on its that...
tips on avoiding grabs?

 

[Solo Assass1n]

Samus IS the long ranged specialist of Brawl, why not use her to full potential? Samus brick walls = spam, no other way to put it. I usually find those who are major spammers to be super predictable, and not too much of a problem for me. That's why you need to know when you should and shouldn't "Spam" with Spamu- Samus...

 

[0RLY]

Here is how I play:
1) Samus+alts for difficult match-ups
2) Spam to approach, or force an approach
3) Fake combos*
4) All but 2 attacks - and never roll
5) Neutral Stages

Do I play to win?
Probably not, but I am good with my character and I beat a lot of people. Same here!

If I wanted to win tournaments, I would pick up a better character. When was the last time Ness won a tourney in Melee?

Want to know how to beat me?
Be really really good, or spam me and play like a scrub. Same also (._.") D3's chain grab is horrifying.

What i need to improve on?
Technical skill. I can't tech consistently like I can in melee. I've also found some very technical feats with Samus but I can't use them because my fingers are too slow.

* My fake combos are pretty much just mix-ups. Near the beginning of the match, I would see how my opponent reacts to my dash attacks, jabs, and projectiles. If they become predictable, I can dash attack>grab when I predict their shield. Or dash attack>jab when I predict their sidestep. Screw Attack if they jump... the list goes on with all my moves.



I copied your format, Tudor! Uhm... yeah... thats all I have to say.

 

[theshortgamer]

I feel ya, there are times when I have to resort to playing dirty to counter someone doing it to me. If you don't then you'll lose. Especially with Samus.

 

[xYz]

that sucks, you should just adapt to the gayness, and predict rolls/movement and punish alot.

 

[0RLY]

How exactly do you adapt to D3's chain grab? It's hideously boring to play the "don't get grabbed" game.

 

[Aran]

Here is how I play:
1) Samus as main, Sonic when I feel like it, DK specifically for Olimar and Falco.
2) Approach with missiles and z-air, retreat with bombs and z-air.
3) Focused on tech reading and punishing the opponent for damage racking, which means that I'm a strong momentum player, but when I lose momentum, it's hard to get it back.
4) I use pretty much every move in every game. My least used move is probably d-smash.
5) Neutral Stages

Do I play to win?
I play to beat my friends, but haven't gone to a smash tourney (except SSB64... as Samus... I lost first round to the eventual tourney winner. I still think I could've done well against others, since I made every round close).

Want to know how to beat me?
Have a good juggle game or good powershielding.

What i need to improve on?
Getting out of the air when I've been launched. Anyone who's played me online can attest to the fact that when I'm above the opponent on the stage, I suck at getting back to ground level (except around the ledge area, then I'm ok). Oh, and I need to stop rolling. It's a bad habit from when I play sonic.

 

[Mars-]

I like to l-cancel my arials and then do some combos on them. I also like wavedashing backwards, ohh and super wave dashing too.

 

[Leo FTW]

What i like to do with Samus is completely copy what Tudor does but suck.

I played Samus twice because i was sitting next to tudor and i was all like, man this samus is sick.

So i tried to play samus only to realize i cannot spike with her and i basically just suck all around.

<3 teh Tudors Samus.

 

[Gum]

You are pretty much right Tudor. Be as gay as possible. One thing I noticed fairly recently though.

Samus' grab = pwnge if set up right. To mix it up from the usual homing missile to grab, I started using bomb to grab. If they try to shield the bomb, you can grab them through it and they will get dragged through the explosion. Its like a 10 damage grab. Then you proceed to win.

 

[FuLLBLeeD]

I've learned that Samus's fsmash is actually pretty amazing. It comes out INSTANTLY. I've been killing Marth at about 100 on FD by angling it up.

 

[Eva01]

Because my roomate plays an amazingly good CF(I know, hard to believe) my Samus play has adapted to a combination of jab/tilt combos, SH Dairs, and Ftilts to Utilt mixed with grabs. Falcon makes it nearly impossible to set a wall or spam because of how fast he closes. If anyone else has anymore suggestions I'd appreciate them, I get the majority of my kills(at least in this matchup) either from high percent Fsmash/Dtilt or gimping with homing missles and spiking.

 

[Hive]

Hey how often do you guys use bombs off the ledge for ledge guarding.... it looks really kwl...
but I find myself just running off and bairing more for the stage spike....?
opinions?

 

[FuLLBLeeD]

Hey how often do you guys use bombs off the ledge for ledge guarding.... it looks really kwl...
but I find myself just running off and bairing more for the stage spike....?
opinions?

This is called a bomb spike and its amazing.

Also, I really don't think Samus is bad at all. Everyone I play with (that gets beat by me) thinks she is amazing. I really have no trouble with Marth, Fox, Falco (except for those god**** lasers), but I can't stand fighting Pickachu or Lucas.

 

[Hive]

I know how to use it :/... I was just wondering how often other people do..

 

[Miles.]

Tudor.

There comes a day when every warrior must stifle their feelings, nay, kill thy warriors honor.

And become gay, and then LULZLULZLULZLULZ as you out gay people.

PLZ go GAY Tudor.

I watched your Spamus vids versus Zeta and all I could think was why were you neglecting your HUGE advantage of range.

Its not gay its rational.
If victory is your aim you maximize your strengths and minimize your weaknesses.



I want to see the beast that will be unleashed when you KEEP your original style of combos and aggression yet add in a solid gay/spam game.

It really softens people up to combos and makes them predictable and frustrated when you spam them so much.

Anyways,

HOORAY FOR GAY!!

-I approve this thread and I approve of this gayness.

 

[Tudor]

Lmao, that was a great post... i think i WILL go gay! Nah i dunno, we'll see, it's really hard for me cause i have the best girlfriend in the world. I don't wanna let her down by telling her i like men... or worse, god tier O.o

 

[Gindler]

Hey how often do you guys use bombs off the ledge for ledge guarding.... it looks really kwl...
but I find myself just running off and bairing more for the stage spike....?
opinions?

It's too good. drop it when they're about to sweetspot and they have to choose to get hit by it then bomb spiked or crawl up and get Dsmashed.

My samus (that i use in only doubles for the most part) is quite gay.
step 1) use homers and zair to keep opponents away and knock them into teammates attacks
step 2) if my teammate launches the opponent(s) off I run off and Dair them...
step 3 (optional)) if they get close just knock them away and repeat step 1.
Yeah, I'm clearly not as good with samus as you guys but she's just too fun in doubles to not play

 

[Miles.]

Lmao, that was a great post... i think i WILL go gay! Nah i dunno, we'll see, it's really hard for me cause i have the best girlfriend in the world. I don't wanna let her down by telling her i like men... or worse, god tier O.o

You and I both know Samus is not bottom tier.

Its time to let the world know.

 

[Kitamerby]

<<

Aura Sphere can be shielded/powershielded really easily. *cough*

Anyways, last I checked, Samus had a really really weak spam game against anyone with priority, though? Missiles are REALLY easy to punch through and have like no priority, and charge shot can be slashed aside or simply airdodged, and can't even be spammed? You may be able to use Zair, but doesn't simply airdodging screw that entire move up completely?


Samus maybe could spam someone like Ike, but against anyone with any sort of priority on his aerials and an airspeed faster than Weegee, like let's just say... Marth or Lucario... can easily just break through Samus's so called "spam" game.

Personally, I think that if you're losing to a rollspammer and getting grabbed AND Fsmashed so often, you need to work on your basics.

Tudor, you're absolutely devastating to watch against a skilled opponent. When you fight someone who uses their brain during the match, you begin to outthink everything they plan to do and punish their movements by staying one step ahead the entire time.

However, once you get put up against someone who's just playing on reaction, or simply using a projectile over and over and not falling for any of your mindgame crap and start spamming stupid stuff, you begin to lose it since there's nothing to stay one step ahead of, I think.

I think that instead of playing gay, you should try to get yourself to realize that not everybody is such a mindgamey god as you are, and that some people DON'T try to think during a match. You have two options for victory in this case. First, is to lower yourself to their level and start spamming crap (this might work against scrubs who're just spamming BS like spotdodges or grabs), but it won't work too often. The second is to just take a deep breath, relax, and think about exactly what the hell they're doing to get you so riled up. For example, let's say I'm spotdodging around you like a matador. You have three main options. The first is to just get out of there and reset the playing field. The second is to just try to follow me and predict when I'm going to roll. The third is to turn around and release a fully charge shot or something as I'm rolling to teach me that I'm an idiot and that I shouldn't be rolling so much. Personally, I prefer doing the latter.


tl;dr: Samus sucks at camping.

Cheer up, Emokid! :D

 

[ice-]

To quote Drephen

"You gotta play gay to beat gay"

 

[Hive]

<<
Anyways, last I checked, Samus had a really really weak spam game against anyone with priority, though? Missiles are REALLY easy to punch through and have like no priority, and charge shot can be slashed aside or simply airdodged, and can't even be spammed? You may be able to use Zair, but doesn't simply airdodging screw that entire move up completely?

wait... what? yea... I see what your saying but idealing someone spamming with samus won't allow setups as easy to get through as simply airdodging or slashing through.... I almost make it a point to follow homing and super missiles with zairs or grabs every now and then because the two spams compliment each other.... :/
missiles force a shield, grab takes advantage of it.... missile forces a slash, zair rips right through it....
focusing too much on zairs with airdodges sets you up for missile spams and/or dash attack to screw attack... individually.. yea, a missile is easy to shield through... but samus isn't just shooting one at a time... she can time it such that you are facing homing missiles and zairs at the same time, or at slightly skewed times....
Charge shot isn't really meant for spamming by itself either....its often used in between/during missile and zair spams, and also at to throw off someone in the air....
I don't think her spams are invincible... but they definitely aren't easy either :/ IMO

 

[Kitamerby]

wait... what? yea... I see what your saying but idealing someone spamming with samus won't allow setups as easy to get through as simply airdodging or slashing through.... I almost make it a point to follow homing and super missiles with zairs or grabs every now and then because the two spams compliment each other.... :/
missiles force a shield, grab takes advantage of it.... missile forces a slash, zair rips right through it....
focusing too much on zairs with airdodges sets you up for missile spams and/or dash attack to screw attack... individually.. yea, a missile is easy to shield through... but samus isn't just shooting one at a time... she can time it such that you are facing homing missiles and zairs at the same time, or at slightly skewed times....
Charge shot isn't really meant for spamming by itself either....its often used in between/during missile and zair spams, and also at to throw off someone in the air....
I don't think her spams are invincible... but they definitely aren't easy either :/ IMO

If you're following your missiles, you're not playing gay. The point is that her spam game is weak because it's extremely easy to break through. Pit has a spam game that's difficult to get through. Lucas has a spam game that is tough to get through, but not impossible. King DDD has a nice spam game. Samus? You can swat a missile with a Fair and continue on your merry way. <<

 

[Darky-Sama]

Samus is a fairly unique character. Her, ZSS, and Captain Falcon are probably my leading mains at the moment.

.Missiles ARE a Necessity.
If you use her without firing a good two rounds of missiles when you get the distance, something is really offset about your playstyle. I would recommend firing two, because some characters have reflecting ability, and the second one will cancel out the first if you decide to rush towards them after shooting. Before using the Charge beam, I would also recommend firing at least one missile to get some damage to their shield or catch them off guard.

.Abusing Samus's Z-Air.
Abusing her Z-air (AKA; the midair grab) is great during gameplay, since it can interrupt attacks, projectiles, damage the enemy, and on occasions knock them over, leaving them as bait for a full powered charge beam. Z-air is also good for keeping on the offense and pushing the opponent back towards the ledge. Remember, when using Z-air, it is best to do a short hop and use it as soon as you begin descending so it hits enemies that are on the ground.

.Mindgames and Morphballs.
Samus's morphball bombs are excellent for recovery, and most of all, for mindgames with the opponent. If you need to make some distance away from the enemy, do it in morphball form, leaving a trail of bombs behind you that will damage the opponent 5% every time they're stupid enough to run into them. If they decide to be smart and take to the air, quickly jump and Z-air them back and continue with the next part of your strategy.

.The Screw Attack.
Yes, Samus's infamous recovery. While it seems like the most horrible out of all the recoveries, it has another purpose. Doing quite a bit of damage and finishing off some fairly nice physical combos. Most people don't even THINK about using it during combat, and only for recovering, which is a big failure. If the opponent is doing a dash attack towards you, use the screw attack right when they're about to hit you and it should sweep them up into the air for quite a bit of damage. REMEMBER, this can be connected to most physical attacks as well, but if the opponent hasn't taken much damage, they won't be thrown far enough away from you so you can recover. After the screw attack has been initiated, you will slowly fall from the air and will be left unable to attack for a few moments, so make sure to hold down as you're falling to recover quicker.

.Gimping Recoveries.
Samus has alot of ways to defend a ledge. Z-air knocks airborne enemies back, missiles and charge beam as well. But one of the most interesting ways to gimp recoveries is to plant morphball bombs off the ledge over and over as they're trying to recover. Characters with grapple recoveries like ZSS and Link can really be injuried by this.



Those are just some tactics that I usually base myself with using. Yes, they all work and are effective in battle as well. I use them constantly in all my matches as Samus.

ALSO, don't be afraid to abuse missiles and other projectiles when necessary. Just don't camp the entire time and fire them constantly. Spam DOES get annoying, but only if you're intentionally running away from your opponent. I mean, come on, its Samus. She has more pride than that. xD

 

[Aran]

.Gimping Recoveries.
D-Air

Fixed it for ya

 

[Jasona]

how i play
-there is samus, there is not-samus and i CANNOT play not-samus
-i only vs undr (that pit player who has his own forum)
-i button mash and usually go out of my way to hurl myself into a situation to try a new approach. especially if i see a rare scenario approaching. i'd give up my tactic and all hope of winning to try something new
-i have developed a quarter second attention span. pause the game and ask me what just happened and i'll draw a blank every time. i did this intentionally, because it frees up alot of mental resources to think quickly. undr hates me for it. sometimes he'll get lucky and i've actually chosen to think about the moment in question, but usually not
-winning isn't that important, but i often have this feeling that winning would be cool and if i lose too much, i feel kind of sad (when i'm struggling not to get 3 stocked)
-i always feel that i can still win. undr is still at 20% on his first stock, i'm one ftilt/fthrow from losing my last and i can still see myself winning and i'm planning to. unless there's about 30sec left on the clock, then i've given up
-i have an obsession with speed and combos. that works out nicely since undr's pit is very, very fast
-everytime i come up with a new tactic, undr learns to counter it fairly quickly and vice versa. i wouldn't call any tactic cheap. even spamming doesn't work against a fast player. i'll either burn through undr's arrows and kick him or he'll saw through my missles and gloat before stabbing me

what i need to improve on?
need to learn to play to win and not focus on creating a unique scenario to learn from. its really hard, because i see opportunity everywhere and all the time. must break years of conditioning

 

[Darky-Sama]

Fixed it for ya

LOL. Thats the obvious though. I was looking to give other strategies that were out of the ordinary, when they're below the stage. But yeah, if anyone didn't know that, I would recommend spiking too. xD

 

[Hive]

If you're following your missiles, you're not playing gay. The point is that her spam game is weak because it's extremely easy to break through. Pit has a spam game that's difficult to get through. Lucas has a spam game that is tough to get through, but not impossible. King DDD has a nice spam game. Samus? You can swat a missile with a Fair and continue on your merry way. <<

I sill think samus has a great spam game :/ (unless your talking about spamming a single move? then yea, that would be easy.... and pretty dumb) at least more than a few of the people mentioned... but I don't think I can convince you lol (yea, I've seen those tactical threads I do realize what kind of monster debater I'm up against lol)
zairs? you can't just swat at those ..... plus they go through most other projectiles....
Like I said I think a big part of her spam game is getting her missiles and zairs to work together.... ^^ individually the missiles would be fairly easy to bypass, sure...but zairs? not so much
when samus is in her short hop she has a few approach options (homing missiles, super missiles, zairs,charge shot...the timing is slightly different for all of them) if your expecting homing missiles though your setting yourself big for a zair.... and if your trying to jump an airdodge (as you said) to escape zair you are going to be hit with something else...or even a differently timed zair... I think its really hard to be able to anticipate both... especially when zair's timing can be thrown off slightly... most people I play with say her spams are fairly difficult to get passed... but hey maybe you rock at it ^^ The Lucarios I've played DO seem to have an easier time than most handling the missiles... but still I find zair pretty effective...

 

[Tudor]

<<

Aura Sphere can be shielded/powershielded really easily. *cough*

Anyways, last I checked, Samus had a really really weak spam game against anyone with priority, though? Missiles are REALLY easy to punch through and have like no priority, and charge shot can be slashed aside or simply airdodged, and can't even be spammed? You may be able to use Zair, but doesn't simply airdodging screw that entire move up completely?


Samus maybe could spam someone like Ike, but against anyone with any sort of priority on his aerials and an airspeed faster than Weegee, like let's just say... Marth or Lucario... can easily just break through Samus's so called "spam" game.

Personally, I think that if you're losing to a rollspammer and getting grabbed AND Fsmashed so often, you need to work on your basics.

Tudor, you're absolutely devastating to watch against a skilled opponent. When you fight someone who uses their brain during the match, you begin to outthink everything they plan to do and punish their movements by staying one step ahead the entire time.

However, once you get put up against someone who's just playing on reaction, or simply using a projectile over and over and not falling for any of your mindgame crap and start spamming stupid stuff, you begin to lose it since there's nothing to stay one step ahead of, I think.

I think that instead of playing gay, you should try to get yourself to realize that not everybody is such a mindgamey god as you are, and that some people DON'T try to think during a match. You have two options for victory in this case. First, is to lower yourself to their level and start spamming crap (this might work against scrubs who're just spamming BS like spotdodges or grabs), but it won't work too often. The second is to just take a deep breath, relax, and think about exactly what the hell they're doing to get you so riled up. For example, let's say I'm spotdodging around you like a matador. You have three main options. The first is to just get out of there and reset the playing field. The second is to just try to follow me and predict when I'm going to roll. The third is to turn around and release a fully charge shot or something as I'm rolling to teach me that I'm an idiot and that I shouldn't be rolling so much. Personally, I prefer doing the latter.


tl;dr: Samus sucks at camping.

Cheer up, Emokid! :D

This brought a lot of insight to me... Thanks dude! It helped me realize i do great against smart opponents. The thing is, i also do good enough to easily win against bad opponents. The biggest problem is fighting spammers that are also really good at the game and really smart! That's what I'm losing to... people who know how to spam smart... interesting O.o

 

[Tudor]

i didn't want to double post BUT

You and I both know Samus is not bottom tier.

Its time to let the world know.

MICKEY AVALON LYRICS

It's time to let the world know
Dude, you gotta let your girl go
D.S. is the best in the business
P.S. we got diks like Jesus

Dude i like the way you think! This is what you had in mind right? =)












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Your **** sits there with dunce cap
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Your **** needs I.D.

It's time that we let the world know
Dude, you gotta let your girl go
D.S. is the best in the business
P.S. we got ***** like Jesus

It's time that we let the world know
Dude, you gotta let your girl go
D.S. is the best in the business
P.S. we got ***** like Jesus

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It's time that we let the world know
Dude, you gotta let your girl go
D.S. is the best in the business
P.S. we got ***** like Jesus

It's time that we let the world know
Dude, you gotta let your girl go
D.S. is the best in the business
P.S. we got ***** like Jesus





Can anyone say "Tudor needs a new combo vid to this song!"

 

[Hive]

lol did I suddenly step into a musical? this is creepy ; ;

 

[Eazy23]

Wow this is exactly how I feel. I main sheik, and play at a very high level. Some of the best smashers in the country are in my region. I love playing against the best players, but absolutely hate playing against camping scrubs. It gets me annoyed, and they have much more of a chance of beating me because of it. I just recently picked up sheik because she is fun to play even when being camped. If it wasnt for her, I'd prolly quit this game.

Tudor how do u feel about samus vs rob?

 

[Hive]

hey, I'm a campy scrub and I'm offended!

 

[Kitamerby]

I sill think samus has a great spam game :/ (unless your talking about spamming a single move? then yea, that would be easy.... and pretty dumb) at least more than a few of the people mentioned... but I don't think I can convince you lol (yea, I've seen those tactical threads I do realize what kind of monster debater I'm up against lol)
zairs? you can't just swat at those ..... plus they go through most other projectiles....
Like I said I think a big part of her spam game is getting her missiles and zairs to work together.... ^^ individually the missiles would be fairly easy to bypass, sure...but zairs? not so much
when samus is in her short hop she has a few approach options (homing missiles, super missiles, zairs,charge shot...the timing is slightly different for all of them) if your expecting homing missiles though your setting yourself big for a zair.... and if your trying to jump an airdodge (as you said) to escape zair you are going to be hit with something else...or even a differently timed zair... I think its really hard to be able to anticipate both... especially when zair's timing can be thrown off slightly... most people I play with say her spams are fairly difficult to get passed... but hey maybe you rock at it ^^ The Lucarios I've played DO seem to have an easier time than most handling the missiles... but still I find zair pretty effective...

I agree with everything you said, I just thought that the high tiers usually have ways of getting around her spam game with little effort.

Edit: I just realized I was wrong about this after talking to someone. I should have done more research, sorry.

This brought a lot of insight to me... Thanks dude! It helped me realize i do great against smart opponents. The thing is, i also do good enough to easily win against bad opponents. The biggest problem is fighting spammers that are also really good at the game and really smart! That's what I'm losing to... people who know how to spam smart... interesting O.o

Yeah, I once knew a guy who had the same problem in Melee. He was always going head to head with great players but for some reason always lost to smash-spamming n00bs due to him being unable to predict and mindgame them. If you're losing to smart spammers, you should just think of it as a regular match. If they're doing the same thing over and over, punish it like normal. Go into playing by reaction without thinking at all if it helps, and I think it might for you in these situations. Just be ready to go back to your regular style once they realize that you can punish them for trying to be stupid and they smarten up again.

Tudor how do u feel about samus vs rob?

"Only 3 more spikes before he runs out of fuel!"

 

[Rohins]

Hmm I spam. The goal of the spam isn't really to hit the opponent with my missiles, chargeblasts, zair, etc. That's just a bonus if they get hit. The purpose is to set the pace of the match and limit the opponent's options. If you frustrate them, they will make unprepared approaches which are easy to punish. Using this you can manipulate the opponent to where you want them (on a platform, on the edge, etc.) Once you establish this control you can proceed to wear them down and maybe even take a stock while they are still adjusting.

 

[Hive]

yea same here ^^ I still try to dish out damage of course lol, but a lot of the time my main goal is to preserve a sort of spacing... so I can set up approaches easier...
With homing missiles especially, I have almost come to expect them to get shielded ^^....it helps create great setups from a distance and out of aerials though... especially for zairs, grabs, and dashes, even dtilts at a semi-close range

 

[FuLLBLeeD]

Its funny because all my friends constantly ***** about my Samus (mainly her spam game and instant fsmash), and they all use Marth, Olimar, Lucas, Fox, Flaco, and Rob.