TheKneeOfJustice
Smash Lord
Um, I don't think anyone from the competitive scene really complained about new characters or stages. What we wanted was gameplay that was entirely viable for a competitive scene.
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You guys are impossible to please.
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D20
Smash Lord
I'm happy with what the game added... more characters. No matter which way you slice it, 35 > 25.
However, removing l-canceling, wavedashing, dash dancing, sweet spotting, and comboing (basically) ruined the game. Brawl sucks. If you disagree, it is because you sucked at Melee and/or SSB64. Period.
However, removing l-canceling, wavedashing, dash dancing, sweet spotting, and comboing (basically) ruined the game. Brawl sucks. If you disagree, it is because you sucked at Melee and/or SSB64. Period.
IWontGetOverTheDam
Smash Lord
Worst post ever.
soviet prince
I am the terror that flaps in the night
I like to welcome you to the Planet Earth :D
Dragonbreath
Smash Ace
Says you and your friends. The competitive scene is not the scene that gives Nintendo the most money. That would be all the casual players, all over the world, most of which don't bother visiting sites like this.
What would they say? 'Wow, this game is easier to play now! And look at all the things you can do in it! I'll take one of those!' Repeated several hundred million times over, in more than fifty different languages.
What did you want Sakurai to do? Pick the option that made less money?
And don't respond with something stupid like 'But he said that Brawl was gonna be the ultimate player experience'. That's what's known as hype. If everything you read was true, we'd live in a pretty fukked-up world.
bluethree
Smash Journeyman
Sure. If you overlook the fact that Sakurai never promised 50 characters, 35 (or 39) characters isn't a small roster, "clones" are not a result of being lazy, some of the characters mentioned aren't even clones, and that Sakurai only cared about the money and didn't even listen to fans, then his reasoning is flawless.
I never understood the hatred for clones. Other than Mario and Dr. Mario, every clone in Melee played completely different than each other.
Pluvia's other account
Smash Master
And the other extreme is that Sakurai did a fantastic job.
Which he didn't, there's no point pretending that he did. Half the people here are orgasming to the fact that they're complaining about the complainers, they just can't get enough of it.
Norm
Smash Lord
eh i'm happy with what we got and ya people just like to ***** so you can give them everything they want and they'll still find something to ***** about.
brawlmaniac
Smash Lord
This thread should have been put up last month lol.
Kirby M.D.
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How's dat SRK man? Did you get banned or are you just trolling for kicks? Also, this thread is a good month too late. Valid points, but completely dated.
pirkid
Smash Lord
Nontendo fans will never be pleased. Get over it.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
I rarely hand this out but you win the award for the most moronic post of the year. Go you!d20 said:
L canceling? It was substituted with reduced lag for many character aerials and many of them can cancel the lag completely i.e. Sonic.
Wave dashing? No big deal since very few characters were capable of using it effectively an as a viable option. Link wasn't a good wavedasher and Zelda sure as hell wasn't.
Sweet spotting? Learn to airguard or just be more creative in how you fight. Sweet spotting isn't entirely gone either since you can just edgehog you know?
Comboing removed? Move decay says otherwise as do several combo videos.
It's rare but there are somethings that are considered bad opinions.
MisshapenKontra
Smash Rookie
Asking for new stuff is good, letting developers know what you want as a community is good. Crying because every character you wanted didn't make it is bad.
Good post /agree.
Good post /agree.
iron blade
Smash Ace
You're one of the people this thread is about.
1. Everyone's been Luigified.
2. Complainers say 'bigger roster' but don't name any characters. They just want 50+ without ever saying who would actually be in.
3. You obviously don't know how much work goes into creating a character.
I'm pretty easy to please.
When I found out people were ACTUALLY complaining (aka when I joined these forums) I was like, WHAT.
This is one of the most epic games of all-time.
(See also: my opinion, extended.)
When I found out people were ACTUALLY complaining (aka when I joined these forums) I was like, WHAT.
This is one of the most epic games of all-time.
(See also: my opinion, extended.)
gunterrsmash01
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this is the best thread ever
brawlmaniac
Smash Lord
QFT
10 char
CronoMaster
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people who thinks that brawl sucks are not smart, but u gotta admit that brawl is not as good as it couldve been, in my opinion they focused a lot in adventure mode and not so much in the main mode, battle, so they tried to adjust everything to fit the SSE
may that or whatever be the case, the thing is that brawl had a lot of potential, and didnt live up to it, let aside the hype, sakurai himself said a lot of things, no clones, more females, and theyre not there, thats why people is dissapointed
i read a few days ago an interview with him, he was asked about rankings, voice chat, 3rd party characters, and such questions, and he gave the lamest answers
the game is not bad at all, the game IS good, but not as good as it couldve been
may that or whatever be the case, the thing is that brawl had a lot of potential, and didnt live up to it, let aside the hype, sakurai himself said a lot of things, no clones, more females, and theyre not there, thats why people is dissapointed
i read a few days ago an interview with him, he was asked about rankings, voice chat, 3rd party characters, and such questions, and he gave the lamest answers
the game is not bad at all, the game IS good, but not as good as it couldve been
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
i agree 100% but you should post this on other fourmes as well
bluethree
Smash Journeyman
Agreed. There are some legitimate complaints (tripping and tether recoveries becoming useless when someone is on the edge pop to my mind instantly). "Cloned" movesets, roster size, and a general change in physics (which eliminates certain advanced techniques) are not.
People who call Sakurai a liar and say that he didn't even listen to fans are moronic.
except that he never said any of that. Other people started putting words in his mouth and/or read into his words incorrectly.
CronoMaster
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u have to admit, ganondorf and young link cloned again is not a smart decision, they deserved they own moveset, i didnt want toon link, but cmon, if theyre going to put him in, at least give him his own moves!!! lucas IS luigified, and god oh god, fox-falco-wolf... why did they do that? i want to think that they had no time, cause if they really tought that was a good move well... u get me
50+ is not neccesary, 35 is pretty good, but at least make every single character original, take out falco, wolf, ness/lucas, toon link, and include original chars, i could tell krystal, andy, crono, cause they are my favs, but no, thats not the case, i mean, i dont like pokemon trainer, i do not like him as a character, i dont think i will ever use him, but he is a great addition to brawl, he is very original, i hate him, but he is great as a character, his spot in the roster is well deserved, not the case for other characters, i guess i made my point
and about the time for makin a character, yes, i agree with u, that takes time, a lot of time. as i said before, i think the problem was that they wanted everything to fit into the SSE, they wanted to make an adventure game, not a fighting game, and if u look at the game it doesnt sound crazy, just in the dojo they seem to give adventure mode most of the focus
supersonicdjs
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I'm preety much fine with the roster. But there's on ething I think they could have changed....
And that's getting rid of Wolf and adding Krystal with her OWN moveset. She could have used her staff.
But Starfox seems to be the only series with people who act exactly the same.
In the next game Slippy, Peppy, and a R.O.B. clone of R.O.B. will be in.
Nuff' said.
And that's getting rid of Wolf and adding Krystal with her OWN moveset. She could have used her staff.
But Starfox seems to be the only series with people who act exactly the same.
In the next game Slippy, Peppy, and a R.O.B. clone of R.O.B. will be in.
Nuff' said.
PiSToLZ
Smash Lord
i agree
10 characters
10 characters
C.Olimar788
Smash Ace
Exaggeration ftw?
Very few people have said Brawl sucks. And a game will never please EVERYONE. If we couldn't find something to complain about then it'd have to be perfect, and nothing is perfect. Can YOU say that EVERYTHING you wanted in Brawl was in? I'd assume not.
Very few people have said Brawl sucks. And a game will never please EVERYONE. If we couldn't find something to complain about then it'd have to be perfect, and nothing is perfect. Can YOU say that EVERYTHING you wanted in Brawl was in? I'd assume not.
RedMage8BT
Smash Lord
Uh... it's called EDGEHOGGING. Jeez.
RedMage8BT
Smash Lord
[sry double post]
More like
Fans: The main thing we want is a bigger roster with fan favorite characters.
Sakurai: Ill spend 7 years to give u a roster of only 35 character (less than most people were suspecting and the worst possible believable roster out of all of the prophit rosters). And instead of fan favorites such as ridly, geno krystal and isaac, i guess ill give u rob(robot that isnt in a videogame and ruined the roster). Oh and a ton of clones!
Fans: We want online!
Sakurai: Ok, but ahhhh, no rankings or voice chat so its just like you're playing a computer!.
Fans: We want a better adventure mode!
Sakurai: Ok, I got a final fantasy rep to help with the story since they are known for their awsome stories but you know make it short, no voice overs and pretty much an average story.
Fans: We want a ton of awesome and cool features!
Sakurai: Ok, here's Stage Builder(good extra feature, taking snapshots, four possible controllers(not a feature,but alot of people woulda been pissed if it just used the wiimote) , tons of customization such as my music(not and extra feature but the only thing in brawl done extremly well)., the addition of Assist Trophies and Final Smashes(meh), and tons of amazing new modes(please tell us which modes these are?.....) i cant think of any.
Fans; Please sakurai we mainly want a great roster and a capturing 1 player mode with a really good story. He better not sacrifice them to put in sumthing gay like stickers.
Sakurai; Hmmmm what could make this game amazing without adding any new, and good characters, hmmmm..... OMG STICKERSSS!!!
*brawl comes out*
Fans: WHAT? No Megaman/Ridley/Issac/Geno/whoever?(yeah we were expecting a good roster) No DLC?(only reason people want this is because the roster is horrible). Replace all the new modes and features that makes Brawl the ulitmate (focus on little things that nowon cares about and leave out the big things that made the game what it is or what it could be game),and include a nice roster and a good story for story mode and you wouldn't be getting the, Brawl SUCKS! I hate you Sakurai! I totally do not appriciate all you've done to make this game a dissapointment, when you could have done soo much more!!
Fans: The main thing we want is a bigger roster with fan favorite characters.
Sakurai: Ill spend 7 years to give u a roster of only 35 character (less than most people were suspecting and the worst possible believable roster out of all of the prophit rosters). And instead of fan favorites such as ridly, geno krystal and isaac, i guess ill give u rob(robot that isnt in a videogame and ruined the roster). Oh and a ton of clones!
Fans: We want online!
Sakurai: Ok, but ahhhh, no rankings or voice chat so its just like you're playing a computer!.
Fans: We want a better adventure mode!
Sakurai: Ok, I got a final fantasy rep to help with the story since they are known for their awsome stories but you know make it short, no voice overs and pretty much an average story.
Fans: We want a ton of awesome and cool features!
Sakurai: Ok, here's Stage Builder(good extra feature, taking snapshots, four possible controllers(not a feature,but alot of people woulda been pissed if it just used the wiimote) , tons of customization such as my music(not and extra feature but the only thing in brawl done extremly well)., the addition of Assist Trophies and Final Smashes(meh), and tons of amazing new modes(please tell us which modes these are?.....) i cant think of any.
Fans; Please sakurai we mainly want a great roster and a capturing 1 player mode with a really good story. He better not sacrifice them to put in sumthing gay like stickers.
Sakurai; Hmmmm what could make this game amazing without adding any new, and good characters, hmmmm..... OMG STICKERSSS!!!
*brawl comes out*
Fans: WHAT? No Megaman/Ridley/Issac/Geno/whoever?(yeah we were expecting a good roster) No DLC?(only reason people want this is because the roster is horrible). Replace all the new modes and features that makes Brawl the ulitmate (focus on little things that nowon cares about and leave out the big things that made the game what it is or what it could be game),and include a nice roster and a good story for story mode and you wouldn't be getting the, Brawl SUCKS! I hate you Sakurai! I totally do not appriciate all you've done to make this game a dissapointment, when you could have done soo much more!!
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
I wonder, if the roster did just have +Geno, Krystal, and Ridley, if people would still be complaining about every little thing.
*by the way, I hope you don't actually feel the same way you posted, otherwise, you're hopeless.
Pluvia's other account
Smash Master
He focused on the little things, rather than the bigger picture.
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
Could you elaborate?
According to the boards there wouldn't be nearly as much complaining as the biggest dissapointment is the roster and those are the most popular characters that didnt make it. And i do feel that way and i dont see how im hopeless just posting the truth
I can big things = ROSTER and 1 PLAYER MODE. little things = stickers and trophies and tripping.
Dragonbreath
Smash Ace
One of the little things, from Nintendo's perspective, would be tournament-level play. The big picture is the one that gives them the most money. You guys don't have the same view on this game that Nintendo does. And frankly, their view matters more.
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
So add 3 characters, bringing the roster to 38, and suddenly everything is excellent?According to the boards there wouldn't be nearly as much complaining as the biggest dissapointment is the roster and those are the most popular characters that didnt make it. And i do feel that way and i dont see how im hopeless just posting the truth
EDIT: And giving one-player mode an actual story to play through isn't enough? I mean honestly, what else would you want?
Like the concept of smash bros ( the roster)
A good story to play through, and it is a game focused on multiplayer mind you.
Pluvia's other account
Smash Master
Such as, Masterpieces, Sitckers, Music and Adventure Mode.
Those things wouldn't even be there without the Characters, and it just feels like he concentrated more on them, rather than the foundations of the game.
I guess that's why the roster has been so heavily criticised.
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