You get no Sympathy in a "Fire Emblem Discussion"

[Frostwraith]

In my honest opinion, those are the most important/recognized FE characters (feel free to disagree):
- Marth: First FE protagonist and first FE character majority outside of Japan heard about thanks to Melee.
- Roy: Second FE character known in the West. Debuted in Melee.
- Lyn, Eliwood, Hector: Main characters of the first internationally released FE game. Lyn is more important than the other two due to being the first character to be introduced.
- Ike: First protagonist of a internationally released FE game to receive a direct sequel.

All those characters represent certain milestones within the FE history and, despite supporting Anna, I definitely agree that, if we get 4 FE characters, Marth, Roy, Lyn and Ike are the best choices for each spot.

Anna, given her recurring appearances and pseudo-mascot status would suit nicely on a fifth spot, but that's already a stretch.

 

[ChronoBound]

Funny, today isn't opposite day.

There is very little political correctness in Japan.

 

[Deleted member]

Homosexuality in Japan (especially among men) is still considered shameful unlike the West.

No it's not:

Actually, prior to Chrisrtianity, Homosexual love was considered more honorable than heterosexual love during the Edo period. This is why Samurai were so devoted to their lords and it was considered honorable. Japan was a very sexist country during the Warring States, sexist to the point of being gay. Those sexually deviant tendencies from medieval Japan are re-surfacing in modern Japan with the drop of influence of Christianity.

 

[Frostwraith]

Homosexuality talking and we're on page 69? Surely, this can't be a coincidence, now is it?

 

[ChronoBound]

I saw quite a few people on 2ch insulting Ike about his possible homosexuality when Priam/Paris was announced/unveiled. Comments like "homosexual Ike died of venereal diseases long before he could sire a child".

 

[Deleted member]

In my honest opinion, those are the most important/recognized FE characters (feel free to disagree):
- Marth: First FE protagonist and first FE character majority outside of Japan heard about thanks to Melee.
- Roy: Second FE character known in the West. Debuted in Melee.
- Lyn, Eliwood, Hector: Main characters of the first internationally released FE game. Lyn is more important than the other two due to being the first character to be introduced.
- Ike: First protagonist of a internationally released FE game to receive a direct sequel.

All those characters represent certain milestones within the FE history and, despite supporting Anna, I definitely agree that, if we get 4 FE characters, Marth, Roy, Lyn and Ike are the best choices for each spot.

Anna, given her recurring appearances and pseudo-mascot status would suit nicely on a fifth spot, but that's already a stretch.

I'll have to disagree with Lyn being the most important out of the three. Sure she was the first being introduced, but she was a tutorial lord. Eliwood and Hector both played more important roles in FE7 than Lyn did.

 

[Frostwraith]

I'll have to disagree with Lyn being the most important out of the three. Sure she was the first being introduced, but she was a tutorial lord. Eliwood and Hector both played more important roles in FE7 than Lyn did.

I meant importance in terms of recognition. I wasn't taking story in account.

I meant that Lyn was the first lord of the first internationally released FE game.

 

[Deleted member]

I saw quite a few people on 2ch insulting Ike about his possible homosexuality when Priam/Paris was announced/unveiled. Comments like "homosexual Ike died of venereal diseases long before he could sire a child".

Because, when you look at the chans, you gotta pretend you're watching South Park. A lot of that stuff is just people cracking jokes, not to mentiond the chans always represent a sort of counterculture, AND people can samefag, making multiple anonymous posts to get a point across.

 

[ChronoBound]

I meant importance in terms of recognition. I wasn't taking story in account.

I meant that Lyn was the first lord of the first internationally released FE game.

Hector is more popular than Lyn among Western FE fans though. And what about those who bought FE7 used and could use skip FE7's tutorial?

 

[Deleted member]

I meant importance in terms of recognition. I wasn't taking story in account.

I meant that Lyn was the first lord of the first internationally released FE game.

Fair enough, although the issue with Lyn isn't how recognizable she is but her lack of importance in comparison to Eliwood and Hector.

 

[Deleted member]

I'll have to disagree with Lyn being the most important out of the three. Sure she was the first being introduced, but she was a tutorial lord. Eliwood and Hector both played more important roles in FE7 than Lyn did.

Eliwood's and Hector's DLC sure is great!

Oh wait...

Lyn's more popular than Eliwood, and she's more promoted than the other two.

 

[ChronoBound]

Lyn's more popular than Eliwood, and she's more promoted than the other two.

In Japan, Eliwood is more popular than Lyn though.

 

[Frostwraith]

Hector is more popular than Lyn among Western FE fans though. And what about those who bought FE7 used and could use skip FE7's tutorial?

Well, I can't argue with that.

Either of the three could represent FE7 equally, I guess. That's why I mentioned and put the three more or less on the same boat.

I forgot to mention, but I took consideration in Lyn appearing as an Assist Trophy in Brawl.

 

[Deleted member]

In Japan, Eliwood is more popular than Lyn though.

Sauce?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Just going to say that Lyn would generally be a better option then Chrom/Lucina.

Alright, now I'm going to slink away before Chrono decapitates me for saying something positive about Lyn.

 

[ChronoBound]

Sauce?

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/ae7j/k_tohyo/index.html

Official Japanese FE7 poll.

 

[kikaru]

At least between Eliwood and Hector I would have to say Eliwood is definitely the more important in that not everyone played Hector's story in FE7, Hector kicked the bucket before Eliwood in FE6 (Which irritated me to a decent amount), and if Lilina dies in the campaign you may still continue the chapter. (At least on the mode I was playing)

 

[Fastblade5035]

Sauce?

Here ya go.

 

[Deleted member]

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/ae7j/k_tohyo/index.html

Official Japanese FE7 poll.

Doesn't strike me as the most reliable poll considering who's on top, not to mention we have no idea HOW much popular he is than her.

Also, when is this poll from?

Look, if Eliwood was that much more popular than Lyn we would have had Hector as an AT and DLC. The fact that she's more recognized by IS and Nintendo says a lot about her importance and prominence.

 

[ChronoBound]

Doesn't strike me as the most reliable poll considering who's on top, not to mention we have no idea HOW much popular he is than her.

Also, when is this poll from?

Look, if Eliwood was that much more popular than Lyn we would have had Hector as an AT and DLC. The fact that she's more recognized by IS and Nintendo says a lot about her importance and prominence.

Japan loves lolis, and Ray/Lugh were quite high on the official FE6 poll, that is the most likely explanation.

Secondly, the official Japanese FE13 poll did not break things down by votes either.

Lyn getting in as an Assist Trophy was probably a way of recognizing her Western popularity without having to promote her to a playable character.

Secondly, being more "recognized" is purely subjective. Sigurd received no re-design either, yet I doubt you would claim he is less popular than Celice and Leaf.

Its still a more reliable assessment for popularity than fan poll though.

 

[Frostwraith]

Look, if Eliwood was that much more popular than Lyn we would have had Hector as an AT and DLC. The fact that she's more recognized by IS and Nintendo says a lot about her importance and prominence.

I can agree with this.

Lyn was the one who appeared as an AT in Brawl. Lyn is the one who got DLC and new artwork for Awakening.
Sounds like Intelligent Systems, Nintendo and possibly Sakurai favor Lyn over the three, despite Eliwood and Hector being more popular than her in Japan.

If we get four characters, I believe those will be Marth, Roy, Ike and Lyn. That is one big if, though. I don't believe much that FE will get more than three characters. For me, it would be fine if only the veterans Marth, Roy and Ike returned.

 

[Deleted member]

Japan loves lolis, and Ray/Lugh were quite high on the official FE6 poll, that is the most likely explanation.

Secondly, the official Japanese FE13 poll did not break things down by votes either.

Lyn getting in as an Assist Trophy was probably a way of recognizing her Western popularity without having to promote her to a playable character.

Secondly, being more "recognized" is purely subjective. Sigurd received no re-design either, yet I doubt you would claim he is less popular than Celice and Leaf.

Its still a more reliable assessment for popularity than fan poll though.

It's not subjective when she's had more public appearances than the other two.

Likewise, the 13 poll said Chrom is more popular than Lucina, both here and in Japan, yet, we've seen how Lucina is considerably more popular than him over here, I'm sure it's the same in Japan considering moe culture. Chrom is not moe.

I honestly really wish we COULD run a fan poll across Japan. It would be the end deal for a lot of questions. Also, I'd say it's considerbaly more popular than a Nintendo poll. Especially considering it's got a larger and more varied sample than the Nintendo one which is only at their official site.

Also, Lugh is a loli? I though Lugh was a he...

 

[FlareHabanero]

Lugh is a boy. So, wouldn't it technically be "Japan loves shota"?

 

[ChronoBound]

It's not subjective when she's had more public appearances than the other two.

Likewise, the 13 poll said Chrom is more popular than Lucina, both here and in Japan, yet, we've seen how Lucina is considerably more popular than him over here, I'm sure it's the same in Japan considering moe culture. Chrom is not moe.

Also, Lugh is a loli? I though Lugh was a he...

Chrom did better than Lucina in one official Japanese FE13 poll. The other two official Japanese FE13 had Chrom and Lucina separate from one another since they were separated by gender (Chrom was the highest male character, Lucina was the highest female character).

Of the only official North American FE13 poll, Lucina was listed as "Marth", so we could have gotten a lot of people voting for her that did not even play the game (or get far enough in it) that actually thought she was Melee/Brawl's Marth.

Also, I was not saying Hugh was a loli. I was saying that:
1. Part of Nino's Japanese popularity is her loli design.
2. Her sons Lugh and Ray were quite popular themselves in FE6 (they ranked quite high in the official FE6 poll).

In reality, the parents and children for FE6 and FE7 were ranked pretty closely together in their respective official polls.

Roy's rank #1, Eliwood's rank #2
Lilina's rank #3, Hector's rank #3
Wolt's rank #8, Rebecca's rank #10
Hugh's rank #11, Canas's rank #9
Ray's rank #4 and Lugh's rank #7, Nino's rank #1 (the votes for Ray and Lugh combined for Nino. )
Fir's rank #5, Lyn's rank #6 (both are myrmidons from Sacae with a similar hair style).

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Anyways, I really don't see all 3 FE7 lords having a equal chance, sure I love Hector and Eliwood is cool... I guess, but Lyn is the most likely one, I consider her the main protagonist of the game and please don't argue with me about this.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Still say that Marth, Roy, Ika, and Lyn would be the most ideal route to satisfy the most people. Though the only way to achieve true satisfaction is to use every single lord (+ Anna) in the entire franchise, otherwise there's going to be griping regardless.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think it would be best for Marth, Ike, Lyn, and Roy to be the 4 FE characters we get too. As long as we can keep Roy away from being a clone.

 

[Croph]

What I'm hoping for:

- Marthy Marth
- Ikey-poo
- Little King (Roy)
- Chromikins/Anna Banana/Effy (Ephraim)/Ollie (Oliver)

i'm srs

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Oliver? <.<
I think being able to jump is a requirement in smash.

 

[Croph]

Jump? Who needs to jump when you're the Champion of Beauty!~

 

[FlareHabanero]

So... Girly Guy, Flare Boy, and Meat Ranger we can all agree on. Then it's kind of a toss up between Google Chrom and Girly Guy: Boobs Edition, along with varies misfits like Manly's Waifu or Cool Axe Bro.

 

[Noler_Mass]

Anyways, I really don't see all 3 FE7 lords having a equal chance, sure I love Hector and Eliwood is cool... I guess, but Lyn is the most likely one, I consider her the main protagonist of the game and please don't argue with me about this.

I'm arguing you about this.

Seriously though, lyn isn't the main protagonist. She is The Lord of the prologue while hector is The Lord of the bonus story. Eliwood is the main lord and protagonist, it's just that no one likes him much cuz the other too lords are much more original.

I would say Marth and Chrom both have fairly high chances while Ike will also be featured unless sakurai wants to do something surprising with the fire emblem roster. Roy IMO will likely be a last minute clone like Melee and how he was planned for brawl so I'm sure he will have data it's just a matter of whether he gets cut late in development or not.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Still say that Marth, Roy, Ika, and Lyn would be the most ideal route to satisfy the most people. Though the only way to achieve true satisfaction is to use every single lord (+ Anna) in the entire franchise, otherwise there's going to be griping regardless.

I'm personally rooting for Marth, Ike, Lyn and Roy as well as of late.

But honestly, since Fire Emblem has so many options, I am not even sure if I can call ANYONE besides Marth guranteed. Both Chrom and Lucina could after all be added as newcomers. And this puts both Ike and Roy in danger, and Lyn- well she'd just get ruled out completely.

Lyn is not the main protagonist, but she definitely has an edge above Eliwood and Hector.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

What I'm hoping for:

- Marthy Marth
- Ikey-poo
- Little King (Roy)
- Chromikins/Anna Banana/Effy (Ephraim)/Ollie (Oliver)

i'm srs

(Magypsie) (if you don't know what that is, play Mother 3)

 

[Deleted member]

Manly's Waifu

That would be Noel.

Lyn's cool and all, but she's not MOE enough.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ok, so tomorrow we find out Sakurai is simply gonna say to the fans: 'Damn, you guys love your Fire Emblem characters that much, I am now gonna add 5 characters from that series to Smash, just because I'm that cool ************ that introduced the world to Fire Emblem.' Which characters would you pick?

 

[Opossum]

Ok, so tomorrow we find out Sakurai is simply gonna say to the fans: 'Damn, you guys love your Fire Emblem characters that much, I am now gonna add 5 characters from that series to Smash, just because I'm that cool mother****er that introduced the world to Fire Emblem.' Which characters would you pick?

Five newcomers, or five characters in general?

If the latter, then:
Marth
Ike
Roy
Chrom
Lucina
Lyn
Tactician
Anna


If the former:
Marth
Ike
Roy
Chrom
Anna

 

[loganhogan]

5 characters
Marth
Anna
Roy
Ike
Lucina

 

[Autumn ♫]

The 5 I would pick are
-Marth
-Roy
-Ike
-Lyn
-Lucina

 

[Deleted member]

If we're doing five Fire Emblem characters, these would be my choice:
- Marth
- Ike
- Roy
- Leaf (with Master Knight move set)
- Chrom/Lyn/Anna/whatever