Yoshi Frame data Project.

[Ref]

Okay Well since you guys don't have an in depth frame data. I decided I'd provide some for you... I'll be updating this as much as I can and get everything as fast as I can...

Standard attacks

Jab #1
Start up: 2 Frames
Hits: 3
Hit lag: 4-8
Ends: 22
IASA into Second Jab: 14

Jab #2
Start up: 2 Frames
Hits: 3
Hit lag: 4-9
ENDS: 26

D tilt
Start up: 7 Frames
Hits: 8
Hit lag: 9-16
Ends: 30

U tilt
Start up: 6
Hits: 7
Hit lag: 8-15
Ends: 37

F Tilt
Start Up: 5
Hits: 6
Hit Lag: 7-13
Ends: 36

Smashes

Up smash (I did this with Mario Behind Yoshi...)
Start up: 10
Hits: 11
Hit Lag: 12-21
Ends: 53

Forward smash
Start up: 13
Hits: 14
Hit Lag: 15-24
Ends: 59

Down smash
Start up: 5
Hits: 6! and 22
Hit Lag: 7-15, 23-31
Ends: 60 if it hits once only, 69 if both...

Aerials

N air
Start up:2
Hits: 3
Hit Lag: 4-11

F air:
Start up: 18
Hits: 19
Hit lag: 20-29

U air:
Start up: 4
Hits: 5
Hit Lag: 6-14

B air:
Start up: 9
Hits: 10, 21, 33, 43
Hit Lag: 11-15, 22-26, 33-38, 44-48

D air:
Start up: 15
Hits: 16, 23, 30, 37, 44, 51, 58, 65, 72, 79, 85, 91,
Hit Lag: 17-21, 24-28, 31-35, 38-42, 45-49, 52-56, 59-63, 66-70, 73-77, 79-83, 86-90, 92-94

Specials

Gulp:
Grabs: 17
ENDS: 39(When Misses)

Egg Roll:
Start up: 24
Earliest Hit: 25
Ends: 420 Latest, 93Earliest

Ground Pound (Yoshi Bomb)
Start up: 6
Hits: 7, 29
Hit lag: None!
Ends: 74

Egg Toss:
Ends: 50

Other


Grab
Grabs: 17
ENDS: 63

Pivot Grab:
Grabs: 10
ENDS: 36

Dash Grab:
Grabs: 12
ENDS: 63

Shield
Blocks: 1

Spot dodge (Just incredible compared to most)
Ends: 22
Invincibility: 2-20

Front roll
ENDS: 33
Invincibility: 4-20

Back roll
ENDS: 36
Invincibility: 4-23

Shield drop Lag:
16

 

[Shiri]

Where is this coming from? Which tool is providing these numbers?

 

[Ref]

Virtual Dub... A clip recorded then properly placed into 60 frames with top view first using bob doubler. Viewing the preview also.


Then counted.

 

[bigman40]

Nice. I got the program too but my computer isn't strong enough

Also, can you get the times for when he shields and unshields? And B moves too plz.

 

[Ref]

I'm working on everything soon.... I'll have shield stun and shield lag after I get all the moves.

I'll also get the frames for Yoshi to shield

 

[Furbs]

wow thanks a lot for these!

is there any way we can have this stickied?

 

[Chaco]

By asking the mod of the yoshi forum.

 

[Shiri]

Don't sticky the thread, we have like ten stickies already.

Just have someone edit the Big Book of Yoshi Information (assuming threads like these are what we have it for).

And LOL @ a Yoshi mod.

 

[Chaco]

I'll go edit it once he's done.

 

[Ref]

Got some stuff up I would do more but I'm going to a tourney today....

 

[Sharky]

if those spot dodge numbers are right then that's freaking amazing

 

[Yikarur]

Air Attacks and Air Dodge would be interesting ;o

but nice job. When I had the resources for this I would do this by myself ._.

 

[Furbs]

And LOL @ a Yoshi mod.

the master of yoshis

 

[Ref]

Air Attacks and Air Dodge would be interesting ;o

I plan on testing all of this.

 

[bigman40]

Lol, people saying pieces that would be interesting. EVERYTHING would help us alot xD

 

[SOVAman]

pretty cool

10eggs

 

[chimpact]

No Uair? awww

 

[DstyCube]

Thanks for the data, I've been waiting a while for someone to upload this.

 

[Airborne]

Don't sticky the thread, we have like ten stickies already.

Just have someone edit the Big Book of Yoshi Information (assuming threads like these are what we have it for).

And LOL @ a Yoshi mod.

we should put our votes and recommendations in to have chaco or shiri as a yoshi mod..... =P

and this is awesome! thanks!

 

[Ref]

Some new values are up, I've been kind of busy... I should be done with all move hit lag and end time by Sunday...

Then I will move on to shield lag and shield stun...

 

[YoshiIslander77z]

is there the amount of frames it takes the whole move if it does hit (a moves like tilts and smashes), like if u miss attack in a match

 

[Ref]

is there the amount of frames it takes the whole move if it does hit (a moves like tilts and smashes), like if u miss attack in a match

Hit lag are the only things added so just subtract the frames of hit lag to find out what the move is when it misses

Example:

Start up: 2 Frames
Hits: 3
Hit lag: 4-8
Ends: 22

4,5,6,7,8, = 5 frames of hit lag

22-5 = 17 so when you miss it ends on 17.

 

[bigman40]

I assume that this is done correct? If so, then this needs to be bookmarked of stickied or something.

 

[YoshiIslander77z]

i agree with grampz

 

[Ref]

Ah guys I figured it out, Yoshi's egg wraps around him on frame 7 but he can shield as early as frame one...

The egg wrapping around him just symbolizes when his power shielding ends.

 

[Silent Beast]

Ah guys I figured it out, Yoshi's egg wraps around him on frame 7 but he can shield as early as frame one...

The egg wrapping around him just symbolizes when his power shielding ends.

Frame one? Wow. Is that faster than the other characters?

 

[bigman40]

Thx for the information. That's a relief to hear since I've thought that yoshi wasn't going to be able to shield as fast as the rest of the cast. Btw, does everyone else come out on frame one? I'm guessing that they should since you can powershield within 2 frames.

 

[Ref]

Yep all shields come out in frame one.

I'm pretty sure there is like a 6 frame window for power shielding meaning frames 1-6. Since the egg wraps around yoshi on 7 and that is when power shielding stops for yoshi.

 

[GimR]

Umm I have the new homebrew frame by frame code and Yoshi's pivot grab grabs on frame 10 not 6

 

[auroreon]

Thanks for this information Ref, its nice of you to do all this for a character you don't main.
If you ask me its FAR too easy to powershield in this game, nearly every attack of mine thet gets shielded is a perfect shield. Its one of the only things about Melee that I prefer, when it actually took some skill to powershield.

 

[Ref]

Umm I have the new homebrew frame by frame code and Yoshi's pivot grab grabs on frame 10 not 6

The pivot grab was done at point blank, what you grabbed on was 10 it has that kind of duration.

 

[GimR]

The pivot grab was done at point blank, what you grabbed on was 10 it has that kind of duration.

Nah man, I did it point blank, trust me it come out on 10. I also watched each frame with the new code and the toungue doesn't even come out 'til 10.

 

[Ref]

You are probably counting frames that you have to turn first... I counted from the frame that yoshi begins the pivot grab...

I'll count those in if you want... I'll also double check.

 

[GimR]

You are probably counting frames that you have to turn first... I counted from the frame that yoshi begins the pivot grab...

I'll count those in if you want... I'll also double check.

nope. The frame by frame code makes it quite east to count frames. It'd be great if you double checked.

BTW as you already basically said in your first post.

Yoshi's spot dodge is broken

(You can hit him 1 frame at the beginning(Almost everyone has this), and only 2 frames at the end)

most people have 4 to 6 frames where they are open at teh end

 

[bigman40]

Can I get the link to this frame program? I'd like to use it to look at the frame data for myself.

 

[GimR]

Debug Pause:-(GCC)
80000000 805B8A08
0402E5AC 8819000B
4A000000 804DE470
38000000 EFFF1000
86410000 00000001
E2000001 00000000
4A000000 805B8A08
3A000002 00FF0000
12000002 00000001
E2000001 00000000
4A000000 804DE470
38000000 FFEF0010
4A000000 805B8A08
3A000002 FF000000
12000002 00000100
E2000002 00000000

Press Start to freeze the game(don't worry, the music and sounds are unaffected).
Press Z to step through frame by frame.
Press Start again to unfreeze the game.
(The new Start command is X+D^)

Button Modifier:
041E6CD8 4BE1C128
041E6D1C 4BE1C114
06002E00 00000068
9421FF80 BC410008
7CE4402E 7CE738F8
7CE73039 3864FFC0
7CE3412E 7CC4412E
B8410008 38210080
60000000 481E3EB0
9421FF80 BC410008
7C03202E 3DC01000
7DCE70F8 7C007039
740E0408 3DE00408
7C0E7800 40820008
64001000 B8410008
38210080 481E3EBC

Must be used with the Debug Pause Code.

 

[Ref]

nope. The frame by frame code makes it quite east to count frames. It'd be great if you double checked.

BTW as you already basically said in your first post.

Yoshi's spot dodge is broken

(You can hit him 1 frame at the beginning(Almost everyone has this), and only 2 frames at the end)

most people have 4 to 6 frames where they are open at teh end

I'll double check and thanks....

Yep... It's pretty broken. Just stand there spot dodging all day. I guess they gave it to him for his inability to jump out of shield. If you ask me it's a pretty fair trade considering you can just now spot dodge so you are hit in the later half of invincibility and punish...

 

[Furbs]

whats yoshi's airdodge like?

 

[Ref]

Oh yeah I'll get the air dodge when I can...

Almost forgot about that... I hope it's anything like wario's...

 

[bigman40]

Airdodge:

Begins - Frame 4
Invunerable frames end - frame 30
ENDS - frame 50