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Y. Link Match Up Discussion. Ask Questions Here!
- Thread starter rhan
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AlcyoNite
Smash Champion
ocean i understand weve had our fair share of hugs but.......
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i clocked in on a marth yesterday. that matchup is fun
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Young Link is fun period.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
to beat marth u just gotta be precise and focus and not dying early. u can stop him with rangs and bombs to setup stuff. idk its a dynamic matchup but i feel its only like 55-45 marth
one of ylinks easier top tier matchups fosho (tho im actually better against falco these days LOL.)
im done with complaining about falco. all u have to do is hit him with a bomb, seriously. and get knockdowns in any way possible.
one of ylinks easier top tier matchups fosho (tho im actually better against falco these days LOL.)
im done with complaining about falco. all u have to do is hit him with a bomb, seriously. and get knockdowns in any way possible.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
To beat Marth, just make him think he's safe doing things that aren't safe. Like if he ever full jumps/moves forward with an aerial, f-smashes, you can punish. As long as you don't stay in shield too much, he won't be landing many grabs.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
yea grabs hurt
edgeguards hurt too
edgeguards hurt too
Only way to really beat Marth is so throw everything at him and try to find opening for grabs. Best combos are the safe ones.
Grabs lead into about anything and put you in control. Though they're risky cuz if YL misses it's a free anything he wants. Especially if it misses by a inch. It's pretty much tipper distance then.
Bombs are best. But his he's a catch happy Marth it can be annoying to deal with. So if that happens lay the bombs on platforms (assuming there are some) can help. He'll either feel the need to pick them up or watch where he swings his sword. Sometimes standing near those bombs will cause him to try and attack you but instead the bomb will get in the way.
Boomerang can be swatted away with a jab/fair. But at least he can't throw it back at us. It's just that start up lag and catching lag we have to deal with so it's not as safe as using bombs.
Arrows shouldn't be used.
Main killers are Dair/D-Smash/Nair (Possibly as an edge gaurd). Ftilt can be used to kill but the kill sweet spot of the move happens at the tip. Usually at higher percents too. It's not like Marth's tip that send them up and away. It's more like a pimp slap that sends them slightly down and just away.
Uairs are nice for keeping him off the ground.
Yup.
Edit: Falco's a pain in the ***. Once you hit him it's all about following up then. But it's so hard to get that first hit in. I hate it. Recently I've been playing it though. No success but there are a few pretty hilarious things that can happen in that match-up.
Grabs lead into about anything and put you in control. Though they're risky cuz if YL misses it's a free anything he wants. Especially if it misses by a inch. It's pretty much tipper distance then.
Bombs are best. But his he's a catch happy Marth it can be annoying to deal with. So if that happens lay the bombs on platforms (assuming there are some) can help. He'll either feel the need to pick them up or watch where he swings his sword. Sometimes standing near those bombs will cause him to try and attack you but instead the bomb will get in the way.
Boomerang can be swatted away with a jab/fair. But at least he can't throw it back at us. It's just that start up lag and catching lag we have to deal with so it's not as safe as using bombs.
Arrows shouldn't be used.
Main killers are Dair/D-Smash/Nair (Possibly as an edge gaurd). Ftilt can be used to kill but the kill sweet spot of the move happens at the tip. Usually at higher percents too. It's not like Marth's tip that send them up and away. It's more like a pimp slap that sends them slightly down and just away.
Uairs are nice for keeping him off the ground.
Yup.
Edit: Falco's a pain in the ***. Once you hit him it's all about following up then. But it's so hard to get that first hit in. I hate it. Recently I've been playing it though. No success but there are a few pretty hilarious things that can happen in that match-up.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
what it do ylink players? lol
Laijin
Smash Hero
what it is my boi
Ylink vs Falco is even
choknater
Smash Obsessed
60 40 falco i think
ylink can do it
ylink can do it
Laijin
Smash Hero
65-35 IMO.
YL can combo Falco very easily, but Falco still *****.
YL can combo Falco very easily, but Falco still *****.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
we got this! bomb hits are the key!!
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Bomb dropping ***** Falco's attempts to catch you on platforms.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
yeah fd is pretty bad
but even there, it can be done!
but even there, it can be done!
Laijin
Smash Hero
Nope.
Its impossible on FD.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
it's impossible for a matchup to be impossible
choknater
Smash Obsessed
rhan and laijin
u guys are supposed to be like the heroes of the ylink boards
dont fail me now!
i definitely win matches vs falcos with ylink on fd! it can be done!
it's all about well timed bomb pulls and bomb knockdowns!
u guys are supposed to be like the heroes of the ylink boards
dont fail me now!
i definitely win matches vs falcos with ylink on fd! it can be done!
it's all about well timed bomb pulls and bomb knockdowns!
I'm definitely no hero. I'm not even that great of a player.. lolol
But I play against probably one of the best Falcos in my region and I can honestly say there is no hope on FD. The stage with the most hope is YS or somewhere less flat.
But I play against probably one of the best Falcos in my region and I can honestly say there is no hope on FD. The stage with the most hope is YS or somewhere less flat.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Laijin plays Young Link the way he was designed to be played. Projectiles and running away.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
even if u dont have hope
u can still have courage
u can still have courage
Laijin
Smash Hero
There is hope against Falco on stages with platforms. You can Platform combo that dude all day long. u-air combos for days and tech chase f-smash or n-air for the kill. But try facing that dude on a completely even ground? You're ****ed.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
haha, though i think courage can beat falco on fd!
it's true our main combo tool against him (being underneath and uairing him) is lost on FD, but it still doesn't change the fact that straight bomb throws beat lasers AND all of his aerials. it forces him to either shield or jump high or reflect, all of which give us some freedom to move. we do have horizontal tools, like dash attack, fair, and GRAB. and sometimes straight up nairing in his face before he throws out an aerial himself can work, ylink is faster than falco horizontally. if we are in a range where an sh laser isn't safe, we can actually fight!
his advantage is great on FD, but it's doable with the right tools
it's true our main combo tool against him (being underneath and uairing him) is lost on FD, but it still doesn't change the fact that straight bomb throws beat lasers AND all of his aerials. it forces him to either shield or jump high or reflect, all of which give us some freedom to move. we do have horizontal tools, like dash attack, fair, and GRAB. and sometimes straight up nairing in his face before he throws out an aerial himself can work, ylink is faster than falco horizontally. if we are in a range where an sh laser isn't safe, we can actually fight!
his advantage is great on FD, but it's doable with the right tools
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
full hop bomb pull
choknater
Smash Obsessed
it works!
choknater
Smash Obsessed
what? can you explain that?
choknater
Smash Obsessed
okay. that's what i thought. if falco full jumps, that gives us more than enough time to pull stuff out and/or get under him.
because of falco's jump height, there's not much he can do to stop a bomb from coming out if ylink chooses to full jump bomb pull. falco's best option here is to close the distance before ylink can be in a good position to throw.
we can also choose to double jump bomb pull, which gives us the option of throwing on our way down, but this is risky if falco gets under us, and also because falco's double jump and full hop lasers can actually hit us at the top, AND gives falco more time to get under ylink.
anyway, as long as we're holding a bomb we can fight falco. if we're not holding a bomb, we have to some way get in a position to hit him with nair, fair, uair, grab, or SOMETHING that will knock him down, which is really hard.
because of falco's jump height, there's not much he can do to stop a bomb from coming out if ylink chooses to full jump bomb pull. falco's best option here is to close the distance before ylink can be in a good position to throw.
we can also choose to double jump bomb pull, which gives us the option of throwing on our way down, but this is risky if falco gets under us, and also because falco's double jump and full hop lasers can actually hit us at the top, AND gives falco more time to get under ylink.
anyway, as long as we're holding a bomb we can fight falco. if we're not holding a bomb, we have to some way get in a position to hit him with nair, fair, uair, grab, or SOMETHING that will knock him down, which is really hard.