steel isn't obvious town. governors send in a pm in twilight deciding if they want a no-lynch. usually 1-shot
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Wonderland Mafia GAME OVER: Town/Independent Win!
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yes, he is, marshy.
unless you think Chaco's meta technique isn't valid.
Steel clearly announced the town win condition. do you think scum would be able to do the same?
whatever, Cacti needs to die. especially since he quickhammered Steel? no reason for scum to do so at ALL. and i am convinced Cacti is scum
unless you think Chaco's meta technique isn't valid.
Steel clearly announced the town win condition. do you think scum would be able to do the same?
whatever, Cacti needs to die. especially since he quickhammered Steel? no reason for scum to do so at ALL. and i am convinced Cacti is scum
ye p
steel flips first. cacti/nick or you/tom tomorrow
being saved by gov would be tight if there is one, but if i die it'd still be helpful as you can draw connections through my flip.
WHEN Steel flips town Cacti and only Cacti needs to die immediately. if anyone is against that insta-scum in my book.
if Steel flips Mafia then i'm cool with it being between me and Tom. Tom has a lot of explaining to do that i was hoping he could do toDay.
if Steel flips Mafia then i'm cool with it being between me and Tom. Tom has a lot of explaining to do that i was hoping he could do toDay.
Meh, it was my gut which was telling me to try and meta, and because Tom posted saying he didn't get a role when Riddle did, he looks good (based on meta alone).
Pretty much, my gut says to meta and look at the people who confirmed later and those who confirmed by PM more closely because of it. Whereas going by logic (actual scumhunting), I'm much more wary of Steel/Tom/Omni because of stuff we've already been over. Doesn't help that my gut and logic don't match.
Cacti's hammer was ******** though, so if Steel flips town I'm probably going to go with gut more and follow that lead instead of pressing the Tom/Omni situation. Even though Omni looks like he's purposely ignoring answering what I asked him and keeps wanting Tom to explain himself. Which makes me question Omni's truthfulness.
@Nick: Those 3 possibilities you outlined are pretty much what I covered. However I didn't go into the 3rd one much because of how the situation formed itself. Omni tried to justify Tom being the Mad Hatter via a non-existent posting restriction before saying the note was from the Mad Hatter. Tom denied a bunch of things about the letter, but not the Mad Hatter part.
I really doubt they are both being truthful and that some third person is manipulating them because of how they are handling this situation.
Omis
my friends were skinny
Ok what the heck just happened there. You dont just hammer like that. We could have discussed so much more about Tom/Omni/Chaco.
Go die Cacti. Any defense?
Go die Cacti. Any defense?
What are you wanting to discuss about Chaco specifically?
The last thing you pointed out was that Chaco was quick to CC; he's been overzealous this whole game. it's really not that unbelievable he'd jump the gun like that to me.
Is there something else?
Fine Omni, whatever.
The last thing you pointed out was that Chaco was quick to CC; he's been overzealous this whole game. it's really not that unbelievable he'd jump the gun like that to me.
Is there something else?
Fine Omni, whatever.
That was to Omis.
No, Omni, actually, I think *you* need to explain. Because I didn't write you any kind of note at all, you really need to explain what the note you got last night says. You basically just said "HEY I GOT A NOTE FROM TOM AND IT SAID HE WAS THIS ONE GUY."" What does that even mean and why does it make you think that I am scummy??
You got a note from me, so you think I'm scum? And apparently people are just buying it like two dollar dinner. Its kind of absurd. What did the note say, and why would anyone ever send someone a note that would make them think they are mafia? That is just silly. Chaco and Omni, especially, seem to think that this note that I did not send ****s me, and they dont seem to question why I would even send a note that would **** me like that. (Hint: I wouldn't and didn't.)
This note thing just came out of nowhere. I wonder how it will evolve tomorrow.
Some people seem to have done complete 180s on Steel now that he has been hammered. He was basically the lynch today and now that Cacti surprised hammered him people are just saying OMG NOW WHEN STEEL FLIPS TOWN CACTI DIES. Its like the lynches are just lining up 1, 2, 3 for you all, doesn't that seem strange?
You got a note from me, so you think I'm scum? And apparently people are just buying it like two dollar dinner. Its kind of absurd. What did the note say, and why would anyone ever send someone a note that would make them think they are mafia? That is just silly. Chaco and Omni, especially, seem to think that this note that I did not send ****s me, and they dont seem to question why I would even send a note that would **** me like that. (Hint: I wouldn't and didn't.)
This note thing just came out of nowhere. I wonder how it will evolve tomorrow.
Some people seem to have done complete 180s on Steel now that he has been hammered. He was basically the lynch today and now that Cacti surprised hammered him people are just saying OMG NOW WHEN STEEL FLIPS TOWN CACTI DIES. Its like the lynches are just lining up 1, 2, 3 for you all, doesn't that seem strange?
Two things:
1.) I haven't said that you were scummy. I said you have some explaining to do. The message I received last Night was indeed signed by the Mad Hatter. I, myself, think you are the Mad Hatter. Also, the contents made very implicit acts about breadcrumbing and the addressee being the "other person who wasn't in the vote". All of the suggestive comments point to you.
2.)
This is what bothers me. You said you did write a message. Explain why you would write yourself a message and why no one could make heads or tails of it. I also notice your play style this game has been strange. The message I received talked about truths and lies. Are you unable to tell the truth? Do you always tell lies? Can you decipher when a person tells the truth or tells a lie?
Again, you could be hiding the fact that you sent the message to hide something. I could possibly be screwing you over as you attempted some kind of gambit. There's even the possibility that someone else wrote it and made it seem to come from you, but as I said, I highly suspect you were the author due to the dialect.
If it is strange tell us what you make of it. Don't pull an Omis and just point out something is odd without giving your take on it.
MLSOOHECDMTGCWHA
Those were the letters breadcrumbed to me in the statement. I don't know what to make of it. Basically, all of the message was lowercased except those letters.
Half of me feels like I'm ****ing up a Tom (or the Mad Hatters) gambit; the other half of me feels like Tom (or the Mad Hatter) is attempting to manipulating me to find the Cheshire Cat.
Does anyone here know the relationship between the Mad Hatter and the Cheshire Cat from the actual movie?
Edit: Chaco, what do you mean it is invalid? Did anyone at that point state the winning condition? Why would it be invalid at this point?
Those were the letters breadcrumbed to me in the statement. I don't know what to make of it. Basically, all of the message was lowercased except those letters.
Half of me feels like I'm ****ing up a Tom (or the Mad Hatters) gambit; the other half of me feels like Tom (or the Mad Hatter) is attempting to manipulating me to find the Cheshire Cat.
Does anyone here know the relationship between the Mad Hatter and the Cheshire Cat from the actual movie?
Edit: Chaco, what do you mean it is invalid? Did anyone at that point state the winning condition? Why would it be invalid at this point?
Wouldn't the mod have to disclose to everyone that he gave people extra information since it was not originally included in the first post? Even if it breaks the game, it doesn't balance the game by secretly telling scum the winning condition.
Also, the meta only works on clearing (or finding a guilty) on one to two people. One person makes the claim. The second person confirms it. After that, the meta no longer works.
Anyway, I think it's a long shot that the Mod would do that. Also, I don't think Steel was under the impression that the governor could save his life. His twilight posts clearly show that he is upset, wants Cacti dead, and he comes off as a townie who was just quicklynched. Cacti's scummy play against Steel shows this.
I'm starting to pick off weird vibes from you now, Chaco. What were you saying earlier about the flip in regards to Cacti? Can you explain that?
Also, the meta only works on clearing (or finding a guilty) on one to two people. One person makes the claim. The second person confirms it. After that, the meta no longer works.
Anyway, I think it's a long shot that the Mod would do that. Also, I don't think Steel was under the impression that the governor could save his life. His twilight posts clearly show that he is upset, wants Cacti dead, and he comes off as a townie who was just quicklynched. Cacti's scummy play against Steel shows this.
I'm starting to pick off weird vibes from you now, Chaco. What were you saying earlier about the flip in regards to Cacti? Can you explain that?
just wondering why you want to go to Cacti if Steel flips scum. more concerned why you wouldnt want to go Cacti if Steel flips Town.
Well you didn't say I was "scummy" but you did bring this note out of nowhere and thrust me next to Steel in the spotlight, and said you thought I was possibly independent (therefore maybe lynchworthy). Sorry if I put words in your mouth saying you said I was scummy. I find it curious that you said the note was signed by the Mad Hatter. He specifically called himself the Mad Hatter. He told you that he was the Mad Hatter. He never skirted the issue, and he never showed any reason to avoid explicitly stating that he was the Mad Hatter. It sounds like that person who sent that letter was very comfortable stating to you that he was the Mad Hatter. I cannot say the same about myself!
Truths and lies, that doesn't have anything to do with me, and I hadn't heard about that until you just mentioned it. I have no restrictions pertaining to truths and lies. However, someone may have picked up on the fact that I tried to get you to explicitly state that you were Town, and someone may have thought that I was a lie detector. But I'm not. I have nothing to do with lies or truths at all. However, if someone thought that I was, they could have easily tried to work with that.
You mentioned that this might just be you trying to gambit something. If so, that is a terrible, terrible idea, because I really don't know where it would be going unless you are trying to uproot a possible lie detector power role, which would be blatantly anti-town.
Besides the fact that I was very, very inactive Day 1, how has my play been strange?
When I say "I wrote a message to myself last night," that is exactly what I did. My character wrote a note, but I (Tom) did not write anything with any words, it was just an action. The flavor of last night, however, mentioned the fact that I wrote myself a note and that I doubt that I could even make heads or tails of it. When you mentioned a note, this reminded me of that flavor wording in the PM I got during the night, so I mentioned it as well.
If you are lying about getting a note, and you are town aligned and just gambiting, then this was just a terrible idea by you with absolutely no reward for a stupid risk.
A Tom gambit? Dude what are you even talking about.
Also... trying to find the Cheshire Cat? What does that even have to do with anything? Are you trying to find the Cheshire Cat?
I was typing that before I saw he had hammered, that's why.
Do you HONESTLY believe I'm lying about this, Tom? What benefit would I receive from it?
And I was mentioning that I may be messing up your (or the Mad Hatter's) gambit if you or him were attempting one by sending me this message. The question is if you didn't send the message why was the messenger so intent on making it seem like it was you.
Again, it could be a setup from a 3rd party, or it could actually be you who sent it to me.
Anyway, I'm not lying. You're disproving that you wrote it and I can't prove that you did. Don't know where we can go from there except leaving it alone at the moment.
Edit: @Tom: Those were the contents of message. The sender is looking for the Cheshire Cat in order to "protect them". I suspect the Mad Hatter is trying to lynch the Cheshire Cat instead. That's why I want to know the relationship between the two.
And I was mentioning that I may be messing up your (or the Mad Hatter's) gambit if you or him were attempting one by sending me this message. The question is if you didn't send the message why was the messenger so intent on making it seem like it was you.
Again, it could be a setup from a 3rd party, or it could actually be you who sent it to me.
Anyway, I'm not lying. You're disproving that you wrote it and I can't prove that you did. Don't know where we can go from there except leaving it alone at the moment.
Edit: @Tom: Those were the contents of message. The sender is looking for the Cheshire Cat in order to "protect them". I suspect the Mad Hatter is trying to lynch the Cheshire Cat instead. That's why I want to know the relationship between the two.
So are you saying that's the only reason why you made that statement? If you would, could you please revise it to accurately describe what you meant?
Really uncomfortable with the possibility of Omni/Tom/whoever fishing for a specific character.
Not liking that it was the character that was Riddle's fake-claim either.
Not liking that it was the character that was Riddle's fake-claim either.
Good point. Totally forgot about this. Hm.
I'm guessing the CC may be a lyncher target. With Riddle being scum, Mafia obviously wanted to pull the CC out of hiding.
I'm starting to think that the message sent to me was an attempt to find the Chesire Cat. The question is.. was it a spy mafia looking to find the CC, or was it a agent townie looking to protect it? Dunno, but the spy mafia scheme makes more sense.
I think we should be very careful in regards to name claiming in the future.
Okay, well, I think this is making a lot more sense, now. I think the mafia are looking for the Cheshire Cat. This would explain why someone lied about being the Mad Hatter in a note to you, to ask you if you were the Cheshire Cat. This would also explain why Riddle claimed the Cheshire Cat watcher, looking for a Cat counterclaim. Macman furiously said that Riddle was scum after that claim, and they killed Macman, probably thinking he was countering the Cat claim, when really he was countering the watcher claim. That would make sense with what you just told me. I doubt that the person who is looking for the Cheshire Cat is good aligned because they would have no reason to lie and say that they are the Mad Hatter if they were town aligned; therefore I also doubt that they are trying to protect the Cat, because they are most likely loyal to the Queen of Hearts.
When you said "gambit" and such you confused me, I thought you were saying you messed up a gambit focused on me (Tom gambit) and not messed up a gambit by me (Tom gambit). Ha ha ha.
I have a question for Chaco.
Chaco... if you are a protective role, why the heck did you not protect Macman last night? Macman was the person who basically spear-headed the Riddle lynch, and he dogged him furiously. Almost like a dog. So why weren't you protecting him?
When you said "gambit" and such you confused me, I thought you were saying you messed up a gambit focused on me (Tom gambit) and not messed up a gambit by me (Tom gambit). Ha ha ha.
I have a question for Chaco.
Chaco... if you are a protective role, why the heck did you not protect Macman last night? Macman was the person who basically spear-headed the Riddle lynch, and he dogged him furiously. Almost like a dog. So why weren't you protecting him?
Now it would go as follows:
If Steel flips Town, look at Tom and Cacti.
Tom, for saying he wasn't hopping on, and then right after voting for Steel.
Cacti, for well, quick hammering.
Now, if Steel flips scum, check the same people plus Nick and Omni.
See it now?
Can you show me this breadcrumb? Also, you WIFOM overthought yourself into NOT protecting the GOOD protection target? That's ridiculous.
The above was your explanation for the Cacti question. This is completely different from the answer you just provided me. Why are you giving Marshy and I completely unrelated answers, Chaco?
I thought it said do not, oops. I did read it, and one word can change the meaning terribly. I thought that because you did not vote in that post. But waited.
It threw me off.
Yes I read it, otherwise I wouldn't have known the content.
It threw me off.
Yes I read it, otherwise I wouldn't have known the content.
Actually, that doesn't make any sense at all.
You applied a really really vague breadcrumb onto the good protection target, and then you didn't protect him?
What was the point of the breadcrumb?
If you were trying to get someone to see that you were NOT protecting Macman, then that would have to be the scum you were talking to, because they are the ones doing the killing... so then they would see your breadcrumb, and then they would KILL you.
So you breadcrumbed you were protecting Macman, and then you didnt protect him? Not only is your breadcrumb only effective if the SCUM pick up on it, but also they would kill you.
You applied a really really vague breadcrumb onto the good protection target, and then you didn't protect him?
What was the point of the breadcrumb?
If you were trying to get someone to see that you were NOT protecting Macman, then that would have to be the scum you were talking to, because they are the ones doing the killing... so then they would see your breadcrumb, and then they would KILL you.
So you breadcrumbed you were protecting Macman, and then you didnt protect him? Not only is your breadcrumb only effective if the SCUM pick up on it, but also they would kill you.
Uhm, that's the same answer dip ****.
I said the same people in my last post. Scrutiny to them? Same answer, you're looking far to hard for something that's not there.
But you didn't know the content LOL because you mistakenly thought I was claiming a protective role and you also mistakenly thought I said I wasn't going to vote Steel when I said I did.
Obviously you READ it , I'm being facetious and saying you obviously didn't read it very well at all.
NINJA FUKCIN CITY LOL