Wofl Q&A/Social

[Seagull Joe]

You gotta say that Sheik is dumb though Ish. MU is easy cheese once I take away SV lol. Didn't even try that yet lmao!

Matchup is easy outside of Fd. Did Ish just camp the Sv platform? That's not what you're supposed to do all the time @__@.

 

[Rizen]

My class is half Sri-lankan

But no one else in the whole school is

Its as if they put all sri-lankans in 1 class

Similarly my chess club consisted 95% of Asian male students. ...

 

[tru0067]

I have a feeling were all about to get racist if we keep talking about Asians

Back to Wolf, in what situations is flash cancelling useful

Also what is Nair locking (please include vid)

And what is pyrosolic shine bombing on Delfino

 

[Conviction]

I love Asian girls

Arda, you were doing really well against Lad! One question though, are you able to Dacus a Falcon that's trying to SHDL in that range because it looked like there missed opportunities there.

 

[Ishiey]

You gotta say that Sheik is dumb though Ish. MU is easy cheese once I take away SV lol. Didn't even try that yet lmao!

It's kinda similar to Wario/Pika imo, but a few things make it easier. The best way I can lay out most of my thoughts is with comparisons:

Survivability: W>P>S
Kill power: W>P>S
Air mobility (horizontal): W>P>S
Air mobility (vertical): S>P>W
Ground speed: S>P>W
Ease/flexibility of CG: P>>W>S

Survivability is a HUGE blow to Sheik imo. I can kill you piss early compared to Wario. You also rely on the lock more because otherwise you're killing me super late, and you have a higher chance of messing up due to more inputs. I do the same thing to punish most Warios when they whiff their CG, where I mash usmash. Wario can take that 18% fairly well, Sheik can't, so there's more pressure on you to not mess the lock up :x same thing for when you hit my shield with ftilt and I continue holding shield, I'm prepared for another ftilt so if I block that you're eating another 18% (you should definitely mix that up more). Due to your weak horizontal air mobility I have an easier time exploiting you after an usmash imo. Also, thanks to the early kills, if you mess up the lock at like 60% and we kill you it's tough for you to get the game back. Personally, Wolf capitalizes on Sheik's mistakes by exploiting her weaknesses very well, and that's necessary for him to do decent in the MU because Sheik would screw Wolf up a lot harder the closer people are to "perfect play".

I think -1 is still accurate We should've definitely tried the MU out on more stages haha, SV is pretty good for Wolf in lock/CG MUs once he has the lead but Sheik definitely has the potential to make the MU a pain in the butt.

I love Asian girls

Arda, you were doing really well against Lad! One question though, are you able to Dacus a Falcon that's trying to SHDL in that range because it looked like there missed opportunities there.

Thanks! I was being dumb and shielding when he jab cancelled all the time, and he picked up on that hard game3 X___x Lad was more clutch too, I got tense and went for risky/sloppy punishes when there was too much on the line. I was getting killed by his CQC game in general, and falling into some nice kill setups. He did pretty well against MCPe too imo. Definitely need to work on the mental aspect of this game in tournament, but overall I'm glad I can see some improvement.

I think it works unless he goes very low with the second laser, but I'm bad with DACUS and don't have experience timing it to hit Falco out of SHDL :/ that's a good thing to bring up though, I should practice that because approaching Falco is bunz and then I get jabbed and lose

They uploaded videos quick lol. Props to AtlSouth.

 

[tekkie]

where da vids at

i wanna watch ish get bootybounced

 

[Wolf McBlue]

Here you go tekkie http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLABXYNrrhtBeM5lw2IFXRG-AXHMAEFKl7&feature=plcp

I'm curious of what we can do against peach? A peach stopped me from getting out of pools since I have little experience against her. I took her to delfino and did really well but other than that I had no idea what to do against her. Anything I need to know against her.

@tru0067 you would want to cancel sideb for mixup mostly when returning to the stage.
nair locking is hiting with the ending frames of nair which have no knockback (first few have knockback) and use it to force your appointment to airdodge and then hit them with a follow up.
Don't have a vid but it has its function of forcing your opponent

 

[Rizen]

Peach likes you to be in her Dair range but is weak when attacked by someone a little higher than her. Peach's float lets her retreat and play an annoying stalling/spacing game. She can be a hard MU for characters who don't have a large edge on her.

 

[tekkie]

ish, your wofl moves like an old man who left his cane at home. your wofl must be like a peacock slathered in barbecue sauce - sexy, flashy, delicious, and full of failure awesomeness. i have half a mind to buy plane tickets to go to apex just to straighten you out

 

[MegaRobMan]

My losses tend to come from either 's or cg's.

I think most wolf mains lose to mk or CG's.

I haven't played brawl in like over a month, and I haven't even been playing melee either :/ Stupid people playing LOL, JBM getting a job that starts at 5 a.m. and things that I'm at fault for!!!!!!!!!

Edit: I didn't see the last page.

What happens when sheik platform camps us? I mean, theoretically sheiks bair is really good so long as we don't get shines off in the run away game, plus diagonal needles, grabs, not even just f-tilt.

imo sheik is -1.5 and our only -1.5 matchup.

It is shermanthetanks birthday today but I intend to watch all the wolf vids I can later on maybe tomorrow.

And what is pyrosolic shine bombing on Delfino

Parasolic Shine Bombing ~1.38

 

[tru0067]

What do you use parasolic shine bombing for, It doesn't seem that useful to me

 

[Rizen]

Oh, that's what that is called. ^Shine has invulnerability the first 5 or 6 frames (?) then transcendent attack the next few frame so it covers landings and interrupts the opponent's attacks.

 

[Ishiey]

Mostly trolling.

ish, your wofl moves like an old man who left his cane at home. your wofl must be like a peacock slathered in barbecue sauce - sexy, flashy, delicious, and full of failure awesomeness. i have half a mind to buy plane tickets to go to apex just to straighten you out

I know I think that such action might be necessary, o great one. Teach me the ways of the utilt.

 

[MegaRobMan]

I watched the 2 vids available.

Ish you need to be more consistent without building more habits, like I'm pretty sure you got punished for bair-fsmashing habits. A bit too aggro coming back on stage with trying to force positioning back to the middle of the stage.

Also obviously Delfino is Wolfs best stage vs most characters!

MCPE I'm ****ing terrible vs diddy so yeah tell me what you did wrong and then double it.

 

[Ishiey]

Two? I thought only one was uploaded :x my other should be against 4GOD. And yeah, I tend to autopilot a lot of things in tournament when the nerves hit, which leads to lots and lots of getting grabbed :/ as far as the part about coming back onto the stage, I'm super paranoid about getting ledgetrapped / caught with RCO. It's something I exploit against a lot of people that I play, and I'm fearful of others doing the same to me :x

Delfino is good.

I should have a friendly set vs Ed uploaded once someone sends me the replay files. Definitely looking forward to watching that and comparing it to my tournament sets to get a better idea of how my nerves affect me. Hopefully that will help me avoid some of the problems I run into.

@ Blue: learn to shut down Peach's mid-range float game with lasers, because she can do some serious damage at low %s with it otherwise. Fair beats everything she has aside from fair and is good OoS for punishing, or for straight-up hitting her before she hits you during her approach. As an added bonus, it's a pretty good kill move on a floaty character that enjoys being in the air. FH shine OoS is good against her dair, and jumpshine is good in general I suppose. Something I like to do is space bair on her shield and see how the player reacts, since Peach doesn't have any quick OoS options to combat well-spaced bairs. Once I figure out what they prefer, I try to exploit it to the best of my ability. For example, if they SH > float forwards afterwards to go for a fair, it will lose to a quick SH bair.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Ban items, nado, , and .

 

[Ishiey]

Yes please.

 

[tru0067]

Can Wolf perform jab locks, once I got a couple of Nairs on someone stuck on their back, is that similar?

 

[Ishiey]

Yeah, Wolf can lock the opponent with the weak hits of nair, bair at low %s, dtilt, and shine sometimes (don't count too much on shine though). Jab doesn't work, unfortunately :/

 

[M.C. Pee-Pants]

I watched the 2 vids available.

Ish you need to be more consistent without building more habits, like I'm pretty sure you got punished for bair-fsmashing habits. A bit too aggro coming back on stage with trying to force positioning back to the middle of the stage.

Also obviously Delfino is Wolfs best stage vs most characters!

MCPE I'm ****ing terrible vs diddy so yeah tell me what you did wrong and then double it.

Learn how to zair catch diddys bananas and also on the ground be careful if you have one of diddys bananas its usally best to throw it away so you wont give him back the banana if diddy is coming at you with a banana just jump away or, just retreat fair cause diddys except wolf to do a down b so they will try and sibe b wolf but ,other than that just stay on diddy take away his nanas and play it safe when he has two of them

 

[tru0067]

What are good jab mixups

 

[Rizen]

Political, don't look if you're not into it:

Spoiler

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/secession-50-states-_n_2131447.html
^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGry1_K_xdk&feature=player_detailpage#t=100s
(while I like to support people doing stuff on their own without relying on the government, it really should be something with a ghost of a chance that wouldn't compromise national security)
so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBi5mhf5REk&feature=player_detailpage#t=87s
My energy's better spent elsewhere.

*sigh*

 

[tekkie]

its just a lotta this

 

[tru0067]

Anyway...

Can side b hit tall players while they are standing, I did it Bowser once but I haven't been able to do it again

 

[Rizen]

^The tip sweet spot can, yes.

 

[MegaRobMan]

You can hit them if they are behind you too.

A long time ago I meant to upload a video of me doing almost nothing but trying to hit Thugz with the back end of the side B off stage, if you do it right you can take their 2nd jump and completely gimp non-Kirby/non-falco aviary characters.

 

[M.C. Pee-Pants]

What are good jab mixups

jab dsmash double jab to dash grab, jab ftilt etc

Heres my match against Sebrik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9y_J1hRYpA&feature=plcp

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If DDD ever successfully spotdodges anything you throw out he usually has enough frame advantage to make anything you follow up with unsafe. His dodge is ******** like that. If you see him spotdodge any of your moves you should just roll away for your own sake - even with a read DDD can't punish it.

Likewise, if you ever spotdodge his grab he usually has enough frame advantage to make anything you follow up with unsafe. His grab is ******** like that.

 

[MegaRobMan]

Gheb speaks the truth

 

[Haze~]

Im pretty sure about this but wolf can't ledgehog as fast as others because of his lack of fastfall but it does work fast sometimes idk, so is there a trick to do it fast(when doing a running ledgehog also)?

 

[Blubolouis]

Hello, I was watching Mc Pee set vs Seibrik's DDd (amazing set btw, really), and saw Wolf's blaster get cancelled like a regular projectile by a gordo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9y_J1hRYpA&feature=g-all-u#t=16m37s

Isn't it transcendant ? Why does it get cancelled that way ? (I suppose it has to do with the gordo so I asked the ddds too)

 

[Ishiey]

Im pretty sure about this but wolf can't ledgehog as fast as others because of his lack of fastfall but it does work fast sometimes idk, so is there a trick to do it fast(when doing a running ledgehog also)?

There are ways, some people do a quick semi-circle from the dashing direction down towards the ledge iirc. I'm terrible at it though

Hello, I was watching Mc Pee set vs Seibrik's DDd (amazing set btw, really), and saw Wolf's blaster get cancelled like a regular projectile by a gordo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9y_J1hRYpA&feature=g-all-u#t=16m37s

Isn't it transcendant ? Why does it get cancelled that way ? (I suppose it has to do with the gordo so I asked the ddds too)

Pretty sure it's because D3's sideB counts as an item with a hurtbox (like capsules, or turnips). At least, that would make sense, and I can't think of anything else :x

 

[Rizen]

Pretty sure it's because D3's sideB counts as an item with a hurtbox (like capsules, or turnips).

^ They do have a hurt box and a small amount of HP.
edit, although Waddle Dees/Doos and Gordos don't count as items. They're probably closest to Pikmin. Gordos are more like a projectile and can be reflected.

 

[KRDsonic]

I think of gordos and stuff as seperate mini-characters or whatever, like subspace enemies or something I guess? I knew a sheik who used to use my gordos to stale his ftilt

 

[Seagull Joe]

jab dsmash double jab to dash grab, jab ftilt etc

Heres my match against Sebrik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9y_J1hRYpA&feature=plcp

LOL. Seibrik sucks at this matchup. He completely didn't realize he could Dthrow>Dtilt kill at 180%. Nor did he do anything, but fish for grabs.

 

[Ishiey]

And yet he still won.

Wolf for high tier

 

[Nido]

My friend doesn't believe me when I tell him FD is one of Wolf's good stages.
Is this true and can someone tell me his three best and worst stages.
Thanks.

 

[Rizen]

DDD murders characters he has a good MU against .

^FD isn't a good pick because Wolf can't work with anything to help avoid chain grabs, juggles and annoying stuff several characters have on him. For MUs where Wolf has an advantage, FD is still a meh stage.

(someone correct me if I'm wrong)
Worst Frigate, PS1, FD
Best YI, Halberd and Wolf does well on most stages but it's character dependent.

 

[Ishiey]

FD is pretty good for Wolf imo. He can camp people and run away, plus no platforms to get in the way of bairing all the time. But then there are those MUs where going to FD is a terrible idea, ex. D3, Falco, Pika, ICs etc.

 

[Haze~]

I don't see any top wolf use ledgehog(cept for the jump to land on ledge one) effectivly maybe cause it's just too risky, fail and your under the stage and the opponent's probably under you, worst situation a wolf can be in..just be ready to tech at that moment. But im gonna look into this when i repair my wii. Just to be sure now, wolf has no fastfall speed of any kind at all?