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Pro ban can't make any good arguments no offense to anyone who's pro ban but all of the points in the previous 39 pages were weak. It's not game breaking so just deal with it
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all your arguments suck, because i still have one that you cant argue. maybe pocky can, but you cant. thats basically what you're saying about overcentralization.well, they've had a few pages
and Scrubblader/blaster has yet to make any legitimate reasons why it should be banned. being "broken" is something determined by that character's performance in tournament is it not? If it's not dominant, then it isn't broken because it is beatable. Scrubblader even said so himself.
I'm also curious as to which anti-ban arguments make sense to you.
Reneblade, you are twisting facts and ignoring others.all your arguments suck, because i still have one that you cant argue. maybe pocky can, but you cant. thats basically what you're saying about overcentralization.
why is it ok to have a legal unsurvivable unpunishable kill move? say it outloud. "unpunishable, unsurvivable" sounds like broken to me.
jiggs rest - punishable if you die off the side. punishable if she misses the rest.
sheiks d-throw, doesnt work on everyone, it was changed it pal.
shine - doesnt kill everywhere, isnt a kill move unless their near the edge. survivable even if hit with off the stage.
wobbling - cant punish if they kill you, cant punish if they miss up the wobble half way through. theres no DI reading, so its not a CG. atleast CG take some form of technical skill and comprehension.
i encourage you to take on this argument, because if you can, theres a chance that you might convince me wobbling shouldnt be banned. and even if you do i have the best devil's advocate card that even pocky would be proud of, so have fun kiddies.
say it outloud. "one-frame, unsurvivable, invincible" sounds broken to me.Roneblaster said:say it outloud. "unpunishable, unsurvivable" sounds like broken to me.
why would an unsurvivable and unpunishable tactic be banworthy?why is it ok to have a legal unsurvivable unpunishable kill move? say it outloud. "unpunishable, unsurvivable" sounds like broken to me.
that's your punishment for getting grabbed while ICs are togetherall your arguments suck, because i still have one that you cant argue. maybe pocky can, but you cant. thats basically what you're saying about overcentralization.
why is it ok to have a legal unsurvivable unpunishable kill move? say it outloud. "unpunishable, unsurvivable" sounds like broken to me.
jiggs rest - punishable if you die off the side. punishable if she misses the rest.
sheiks d-throw, doesnt work on everyone, it was changed it pal.
shine - doesnt kill everywhere, isnt a kill move unless their near the edge. survivable even if hit with off the stage.
wobbling - cant punish if they kill you, cant punish if they miss up the wobble half way through. theres no DI reading, so its not a CG. atleast CG take some form of technical skill and comprehension.
i encourage you to take on this argument, because if you can, theres a chance that you might convince me wobbling shouldnt be banned. and even if you do i have the best devil's advocate card that even pocky would be proud of, so have fun kiddies.
If you do it right they have 12 frames to mash out before the headbutt hits. In that time frame it's near humanly impossible to frequently mash out above 20% or so, and for most people they won't be escaping above 10%. That's if they know the grab is coming well ahead of time though, so if they start mashing late it will work at 0%.It doesn't work until 40%, so it isn't a "kill move" until 40%.
Let me refresh your memory.fly- why does this only work one way? i have to justify it to you? no i dont. you have to justify it to alu and plank.
The point is that wobbling-legal should be considered the status quo; note that rulesets focus almost exclusively on what should not be allowed rather than what should (with the assumption that everything in the game should be legal unless deemed unfit)... if you start with the assumption that X tactic is banned, there's no real way to justify unbanning it since 'it's already banned and everything's fine'
what he means is that the burden of proof is on the people who want it banned
if there are zero arguments on both sides, status quo (wobbling isn't banned) should hold, so he feels that his job is only to make counterpoints; if you make no points, he can make no counterpoints
but yes, you'll usually find that most 'pro-wobbling' players will end up saying the exact same thing since it's a very coherent, unified perspective, whereas the pro-ban crowd has a more fractured basis behind their arguments (incidentally, which almost all revolve around the technique being 'unique' rather than it being 'broken')
You are continuing to attach yourself to happenstances that you then elevate to ban criteria. You make your criteria unpunishable and unsurvivable. Let me begin by showing you that both of these assumptions are fallacious.no you didnt though peef, the precedence is already there to ban a series of moves. wobbling is already banned. the freeze glitch is banned. mew2 soul stunner is banned. all series of moves. no1 move has been banned.
good moves happen peef, rest is one of those good moves. but its not bannable because it is punishable and survivable and no1 will ever set the precedence to ban single moves.
and super theory bros, rest is unpunishable last stock. wobbling is unpunishable in the same way 100% of the time. therefore wobbling is 4 times as broken.
fly- why wouldn't it be. no risk for the best possible reward.
you could say the same thing for a ton of cgs and other combos in this gamemike, the act of wobbling(unescapable, unsurvivable grab) is unpunishable
Yes, that is the case. I'm solely interested in discussing whether wobbling should be banned in principle, which is something I probably should have clarified earlier.@Fly, although I agree that the burden of proof should lie with the pro-ban camp, since it's already banned, it is kind of up to the anti-ban camp to convince TOs, isn't it?
Ha, you must be pretty bored, I don't think I've seen a legitimate reason for banning Wobbling, at least based on any of the usual criterion for banning things.Yes, that is the case. I'm solely interested in discussing whether wobbling should be banned in principle, which is something I probably should have clarified earlier.
Uh...sounds to me like he hasn't given this much thought.I talked to UberIce about this the other day and he said "Wobbling should be banned, and so should rest."
The fact theres a supeduper secret club for superduper good players to discuss superduper secret things that affect the entire community is pretty much ********.