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I was comaring and contrasting random characters dude. If you honestly thought I was dumb enough to think Ice Climbers are cel-shaded, then you need to be slapped. Did I ever say all 4 of them were CEL-SHADED=??? Show me where I said it=I said "compare and contrast". I'm just merely talking about diffrent graphic styles in the game. That's all...SSB is a game about diffrent characters, universes, etc. colliding.
And anyone with eyes knows Yoshi's Island is based off SMW2, with VERY similar graphical effects from the game it's based. If we can have cartoony coloiring and artist styles, we can have cel-shadind, period!
Ya, I know TP isn't cel-shaded, I just thought that was hilarious.
But for the cel-shaded TP thing...I really wonder if that's true or fake. I could imagine some of the partical effects or something maybe, but definitely not something big=since I've beaten it 3 times.
And to be honest, idc about this whole cel-shaded arguemnet=it's getting annoying. Besides, who says Wind Waker Link would have to be cel-shaded=??? Look at Ike:
Ike cel-shaded in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. [cel-shaded]
Ike in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance [promotional art]:
Ike in Super Smas Bros. Brawl: [decel-shaded, but still kinda cartoony].
So Wind Waker Link ***could*** have the same thing done to him. Plus Ike doesn't look that realistic in BRAWL IMO=kinda cartoony [but not cel-shaded in Brawl, since you all think I Think I think EVERYTHING is cel-shaded]. Maybe it's the cheesy blue hair.
JohnKnight: well, wasnt Wind Waker well-known for being cel-shaded? if so, that would be kinda wrong to see him not CSd in Brawl...
Dynamism: yes! now i know CS Link is confirmed XD
now for that stupid "cel-shading is/isnt in Brawl" quarrel: this is my opinion that i think some people see cel-shading differently. i see it, as i already said, as something hand-drawn to make it look 3D. they do that, i think, by using different types of coloring and by sometimes putting some type of outline around the character.
i think that that had already happened in Brawl. some people dont (maybe because they dont see it *shrug*). thus, i think CS Link wouldnt stick out in Brawl.
If cell-shading defines a style that makes a 3d-model look drawn or painted, that's already happened. A lot of the Brawl models seem rather watercolor-y to me.
But even if not, who cares?
Check out Kirby's and many other characters' eyes. Not cell-shaded per se, but truly cartoony.
It's just details, but still.
Cell-shading emulates a cartoon style for easier use in 3d media.*
Cartoon style is already present in Brawl.
Whether cell-shading is already used or not is irrelevant. Since what cell-shading attempts to emulate is already there, it would not feel out of place.
*( Much easier than drawing a giant load of sprites. )
yes, thank you Fawriel.
someone already quoted Wikipedia hahahaha and the guy who started this thread hasnt been here in a while...maybe if this thread closes then someone can make another one, but who?
I'll let one of you guys start the new CS Link thread if you let me be the mod of the Gardevoir Character Specific forum if she makes it.
Deal!
...what?
...but either way, it would have to be structured well. First an introduction to show who he is, then a counter-argument for all those "NOT ANOTHER LINK"-asshats, then explain why he's important and awesome, throw in some definition and examples of cell-shading, finally, a good moveset - or even better, two, one without big changes from Young Link and one with completely different "unique" moves ... and voila.
hmm, maybe i will...or Kabyk GreenMist....or Dynamism....or any other CS Link fan thatd want to do the work... XD
EDIT: or we could all work together (i call the moveset part!) and u do that Fawriel. BTW Gardevoir would be an awesome addition to Brawl if Lucario doesnt make it...thats IMO...
Dibs on the clone moveset! ...since I'm the only defender of that form anyway.
But, sure. I'll do the hard work if you want me to. After all, I'm gonna be a linguistics student soon. So I'd better start getting used to spending long hours working on texts. Or something.
EDIT: Don't be too hasty asking for the locking of this thread, though. I can't post any new thread anymore since it's, you know, past 1am here. Sleepy time.
who said u were the only one to do hard work? i'll have to search up some movesets made by others...but thats not that hard... : /
but if no one else helps, i'll help u do some of the explanations when im out of school
with that said, good night Fawriel!
BTW, windwaker link is not actually link, he is a new hero of time who happens to come from an island where it is customary for young men to wear clothes that look suspiciously like Link's. Therefore, his name should be "hero of time" or something like that
Well even though they exist in different dimensions, at different times in completely different worlds and look somewhat different and have different height, titles , width , stamina , personality, bladder capacity, friends, items , eyes , noses , hair hats , tunics , boots because his NAME is Link he MUST be the same one.
False: There's never been the same character in two diffrent forms in SSB before.
Truth: there were two of the same characters in Melee TWICE. Shiek is Zelda, and Young Link is a younger version of Link.
False: he's the same person.
Truth: Ya, he's the same person. I mean, his game only takes over 300 years later, he's only in a COMPLETELY DIFFRENT geographical and populous world, and he's only got a diffrent artillery. Sure, because after TP happens, and TP Link starts his quest, he then is frozen for 287 years, turns into a baby, and is raised by a women he calls his grandma. Because we all know he went from not family, to a younger sister and a grandma he is biologically related to, and was somehow turned into a baby. Wait, how can that hapen=??? Seriously, play OOT, MM, TP, and WW before commenting. At least TP and WW, geez. Because the Great Sea and Hyrule are just the same place, 4 years later, even if the Great Sea is just the remains of Hyrule. [sarcasm]
FAIL.
And I've recommending restarting this thread, since it's called "Wind Waker Link's moves". We want a "wind waker Link", or "cel-shaded Link", "young link [cel-shaded]" for Brawl disccusion. Or we could AT LEAST HAVE THE mods/admins rename the thread, or something. <_<
okay WW Link shouldn't even BE in Brawl. Young Link should stay and have a new moveset like moves from The Wind Waker. I couldn't stand seeing those horrible graphics on WW Link for Brawl. It just doesn't make sense. All WW Link would be is Young Link in worse graphics.
Well even though they exist in different dimensions, at different times in completely different worlds and look somewhat different and have different height, titles , width , stamina , personality, bladder capacity, friends, items , eyes , noses , hair hats , tunics , boots because his NAME is Link he MUST be the same one.
Why would they make a whole different character, give him the same name, the same clothes, same hair, and say its a different person. And they DO look very different, but this is just because they tried to give Wind Waker a more "cartoonish" look. And so what if he looks a lilttle different? Lots of Nintendo characters look somewhat different in different game.
Paper Mario looks different, but they are still the same person.
there were two of the same characters in Melee TWICE. Shiek is Zelda, and Young Link is a younger version of Link.
Truth: Ya, he's the same person. I mean, his game only takes over 300 years later, he's only in a COMPLETELY DIFFRENT geographical and populous world, and he's only got a diffrent artillery. Sure, because after TP happens, and TP Link starts his quest, he then is frozen for 287 years, turns into a baby, and is raised by a women he calls his grandma. Because we all know he went from not family, to a younger sister and a grandma he is biologically related to, and was somehow turned into a baby. Wait, how can that hapen=??? Seriously, play OOT, MM, TP, and WW before commenting. At least TP and WW, geez. Because the Great Sea and Hyrule are just the same place, 4 years later, even if the Great Sea is just the remains of Hyrule. [sarcasm]
The Zelda games have never followed any kind of clear timeline. Like I said, if it was meant to be a different character, why would Nintendo make him look so similar and have the same name? I think they are the same person, just from alternate realities.
Why would they make a whole different character, give him the same name, the same clothes, same hair, and say its a different person. And they DO look very different, but this is just because they tried to give Wind Waker a more "cartoonish" look. And so what if he looks a lilttle different? Lots of Nintendo characters look somewhat different in different game.
Paper Mario looks different, but they are still the same person.
Dont forget Dr.Mario
The Zelda games have never followed any kind of clear timeline. Like I said, if it was meant to be a different character, why would Nintendo make him look so similar and have the same name? I think they are the same person, just from alternate realities.
they're not the same link. the creators of the zelda franchise have stated that wind waker takes place hundreds of years after ocarina, and its not even in the same reality as twilight princess. there is a clear timeline. it just splits at the end of ocarina. its not that he's the same person, its more like the triforce of wisdom chooses a new hero for a coming conflict who just happens to be called link (the clothes are always explained since ocarina as the garb of a great hero from ages past, so its only fitting that current link should wear them).
Actually, WW, Ocarina, and TP take place in the same timeline. And like dynamic siad, the triforce of [courage, not wisdom] chooses a new hero. It's the same person spiritually, not physically.
Ocarina is the first game, X years later is TP, and I thought it was 100 years after Ocarina that WW happens. SO somehow, the world got flooded after TP.
Exactly, thats one thing u people dont understand:
OoT link =/= TP Link =/= WW link
They may have the same name, but their not the same caharcter, seriously ur just being ********, Im named after my dad, does that mean just because Im named exactly like him it automatically means im him? NO, now in WW links case, add an extra 100 years after the events of TP, yeah im sure theyre the same person...
anyway, if u have NEVER played WW link, there is absolutely no rite to judge a character, he plays very diferently from the average link, the hurricane spin, the skull hammer, grappling hook, deku leaf, and so on, so many things that makes him unique and ur little midns can only imagine him as a clone?
FAIL...
@ sid: wrong, after the events of ocarina, theyre are 2 timeline:
the timeline in which link returned to the past, and the timeline where ganondorf was imprisoned in the future, WW takes place in the future timeline, while in the past timeline, y.link told zelda about ganondorf, who told the hyrule king, in which he ordered to imprison him, they took him to the arbiter grounds, where he was stabbed with the sword of sages, and u know the rest...
Exactly, thats one thing u people dont understand:
OoT link =/= TP Link =/= WW link
They may have the same name, but their not the same caharcter, seriously ur just being ********, Im named after my dad, does that mean just because Im named exactly like him it automatically means im him? NO, now in WW links case, add an extra 100 years after the events of TP, yeah im sure theyre the same person...
anyway, if u have NEVER played WW link, there is absolutely no rite to judge a character, he plays very diferently from the average link, the hurricane spin, the skull hammer, grappling hook, deku leaf, and so on, so many things that makes him unique and ur little midns can only imagine him as a clone?
I know that, theyre all reincarnations, but even so do not fight similair, TP has moves OoT link didnt performed, and WW links has plenty of weaponry and abilities only HE can perform, yet u all think he would be a clone... dear god...
@ sid: wrong, after the events of ocarina, theyre are 2 timeline:
the timeline in which link returned to the past, and the timeline where ganondorf was imprisoned in the future, WW takes place in the future timeline, while in the past timeline, y.link told zelda about ganondorf, who told the hyrule king, in which he ordered to imprison him, they took him to the arbiter grounds, where he was stabbed with the sword of sages, and u know the rest...
thats a pretty good way of explaining it. the point is the only thing they have in common is their "ownership" of the triforce of courage. only ganondorf remembers all their previous fights (the triforce of power made him immortal), thats why he sounds so resigned in WW; its like he's expecting to lose.
and yea, split timeline, end of ocarina, yadda yadda yadda......stryks explained it well enough.
Also, THE GAMETRAILERS TIMELINE IS DEAD WRONG. The only thing they got right was the split timeline. Everyting else is wrong. Link's Awakening happens directly after Link to the Past. The Oracles happen one after another for a connected story. They ignored Four Swords also. Though not 100% confirmed, many accepts that the NES games happen after aTTP-LA.
Agreed, and well said. Though I think their souls are definitely diffrent, but still show many signs of similarities, of course. By that I mean they're both heroic, kinda quick to act, and fight it to the end. That's generally all the Links qualities, then again.
I know that, theyre all reincarnations, but even so do not fight similair, TP has moves OoT link didnt performed, and WW links has plenty of weaponry and abilities only HE can perform, yet u all think he would be a clone... dear god...
They'll all unique, but PH/WW Link is the most unique of the bunch. Plus, none of us REALLY know about PH, and wat items and moves he has in that game. So he could get moves and items based off that, and be the exact opposite of a clone, and be the next example of wat all clones wish to become.
Also, THE GAMETRAILERS TIMELINE IS DEAD WRONG. The only thing they got right was the split timeline. Everyting else is wrong. Link's Awakening happens directly after Link to the Past. The Oracles happen one after another for a connected story. They ignored Four Swords also. Though not 100% confirmed, many accepts that the NES games happen after aTTP-LA.
I disagree, but LA is really the one EVERYONE disagrees on. IMO, it goes like this:
Minish Cap
V
Ocarina of Time
V
Hyrule A [young link's time]
V
Majora's Mask
V
Link's Awakening: Though he could have rode his horse back, though the original LOZ art says otherwise=his return to Hyrule. Even Miyamoto was confused on this one, when he confirmed OOT is the first game [keep in mind MM was the latest Zelda at this time], the MM, then
V
the original Legend of Zelda
V
Four Swords [I'll explain in FSA]
V
Four Swords Adventures: Epona, and the people at Lon Lon, as well as I think Lon Lon Ranch is in it, if I can remeber. Plus Link is still a kid, and Ganon gets the trident he uses in ALTTP in this game via Vatti's death]
V
Zelda II: Link and Zelda get busy at the end! XD C'mon, wat other Zelda game does Link get busy with Zelda, let alone the original Zelda, who's old enough to be his great x"Over 9,000"th grandma! LINK GOT OWNEDed [new word in the dictionary]! Anyways, this is the definite last fight of this Link, who fought from OOT to Zelda II. Way to pwn, but screw up in the end. YOu did your great x"OVER 9,000"th grandma genius.
V
A Link to the Past Pwnage! Ganon is killed after spirtually dwelling in the Dark World, possessing Aghamin, and recovering his body. This takes place many, many years after Zelda II, since well...
Hyrule B [the world Link left after returning to his past]
V
Twilight Princess: Link stops Ganondorf from returning to the Light World, and he is sent back to the Dark World, where another "divine [evil] prank" allows him to return in the Wind Waker. It takes place a few decades AT LEAST after OOT.
V
the Wind Waker: No doubt this is here. Ganondorf returns by some "divine prank" again, and WW takes AT LEAST 250 years after OOT [as confirmed byu Nintendo]. I think it could be longer, since there is some technological growth after technology reaching lows after the Great Flood, or so. Then, Ganondorf dies, and the end....???
The End of the Series [so far]
OoS/OoA: In the end of OoS, you defeat Onyx and save Holodrum. In OoA, you defeat Veran, and save Labrynna. But, when connecting the two games, you unlock the secret ending, where Ganondorf is revived from the dead. Then Link kills Ganondorf [again], the end. These seemingly take place AT THE SAME TIME, which is the best support for the multiple timeline theory, next to Anouma, Miyamoto, and Nintendo officially confirming it's existense.
So ya, that's IMO.
And ahh, forgot the Doc. And also, Wind Waker Link could be de-cel-shaded, like Ike. That was some people's complaint with Ike, and Sakurai fixed it. There is always the possibilities, while personally I prefer the original cel-shaded look. Also, it's not about art style, design, or realism in smassh. It's about appropriate coloring, and fitting in enviornments. Characters are darker in night, lighter in day, and get special effect looks from special effect enviornments. Simple as that.
I'm beginig to debate whether W ind Waker Link would be a semi-clone, or original character now. Especially since Phantom Hourglass has been in devlopment about the same time, if not longer then Brawl, and is already out in Japan. Hmm...if WW Link had some of his PH moves, plus some of YLink's old cool moves, that'd be pretty neat. Munchlax confirms that 4th gen Pokémon will be used, and Diamond and Pearl came out abouyt 8 months earlier in Japan. So still...you never know if that will happen or not. I'm sure he'll at least have one or so move from PH, maybe. Wonder if Wind Waker Link will *spoliers*
use the Phantom Sword he gets in Phantom Hourglass. He could even use a shovel, if need! XD
Anyways, there is always the possibilities of Sakurai using some of Young Link's moves, of course Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass Link's moves from the Wind Waker, and Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass Link's moves from Phantom Hourglass, even. There are tons of possibilities with Wind Waker Link, for sure. He might be mainly based off the Wind Waker, but I'd like to see some classic Young Link Melee style, as well as some classic Young Link style in general put into him, especially with his moveset. But then again, that's just me.
The Ganondorf from WW was still sealed away from the end of OOT while when you read all the major and best split timeline they explain how Ganondorf is captured by the sages before TP...
But please no time line discussion here *remembers what happened last time*
I am right you are all wrong (Someone close this thread so they cant respond!!).
I disagree, but LA is really the one EVERYONE disagrees on. IMO, it goes like this:
Minish Cap
V
Ocarina of Time
V
Hyrule A [young link's time]
V
Majora's Mask
V
Link's Awakening: Though he could have rode his horse back, though the original LOZ art says otherwise=his return to Hyrule. Even Miyamoto was confused on this one, when he confirmed OOT is the first game [keep in mind MM was the latest Zelda at this time], the MM, then
V
the original Legend of Zelda
V
Four Swords [I'll explain in FSA]
V
Four Swords Adventures: Epona, and the people at Lon Lon, as well as I think Lon Lon Ranch is in it, if I can remeber. Plus Link is still a kid, and Ganon gets the trident he uses in ALTTP in this game via Vatti's death]
V
Zelda II: Link and Zelda get busy at the end! XD C'mon, wat other Zelda game does Link get busy with Zelda, let alone the original Zelda, who's old enough to be his great x"Over 9,000"th grandma! LINK GOT OWNEDed [new word in the dictionary]! Anyways, this is the definite last fight of this Link, who fought from OOT to Zelda II. Way to pwn, but screw up in the end. YOu did your great x"OVER 9,000"th grandma genius.
V
A Link to the Past Pwnage! Ganon is killed after spirtually dwelling in the Dark World, possessing Aghamin, and recovering his body. This takes place many, many years after Zelda II, since well...
Hyrule B [the world Link left after returning to his past]
V
Twilight Princess: Link stops Ganondorf from returning to the Light World, and he is sent back to the Dark World, where another "divine [evil] prank" allows him to return in the Wind Waker. It takes place a few decades AT LEAST after OOT.
V
the Wind Waker: No doubt this is here. Ganondorf returns by some "divine prank" again, and WW takes AT LEAST 250 years after OOT [as confirmed byu Nintendo]. I think it could be longer, since there is some technological growth after technology reaching lows after the Great Flood, or so. Then, Ganondorf dies, and the end....???
The End of the Series [so far]
OoS/OoA: In the end of OoS, you defeat Onyx and save Holodrum. In OoA, you defeat Veran, and save Labrynna. But, when connecting the two games, you unlock the secret ending, where Ganondorf is revived from the dead. Then Link kills Ganondorf [again], the end. These seemingly take place AT THE SAME TIME, which is the best support for the multiple timeline theory, next to Anouma, Miyamoto, and Nintendo officially confirming it's existense.
So ya, that's IMO.
And ahh, forgot the Doc. And also, Wind Waker Link could be de-cel-shaded, like Ike. That was some people's complaint with Ike, and Sakurai fixed it. There is always the possibilities, while personally I prefer the original cel-shaded look. Also, it's not about art style, design, or realism in smassh. It's about appropriate coloring, and fitting in enviornments. Characters are darker in night, lighter in day, and get special effect looks from special effect enviornments. Simple as that.
I'm beginig to debate whether W ind Waker Link would be a semi-clone, or original character now. Especially since Phantom Hourglass has been in devlopment about the same time, if not longer then Brawl, and is already out in Japan. Hmm...if WW Link had some of his PH moves, plus some of YLink's old cool moves, that'd be pretty neat. Munchlax confirms that 4th gen Pokémon will be used, and Diamond and Pearl came out abouyt 8 months earlier in Japan. So still...you never know if that will happen or not. I'm sure he'll at least have one or so move from PH, maybe. Wonder if Wind Waker Link will *spoliers*
use the Phantom Sword he gets in Phantom Hourglass. He could even use a shovel, if need! XD
Anyways, there is always the possibilities of Sakurai using some of Young Link's moves, of course Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass Link's moves from the Wind Waker, and Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass Link's moves from Phantom Hourglass, even. There are tons of possibilities with Wind Waker Link, for sure. He might be mainly based off the Wind Waker, but I'd like to see some classic Young Link Melee style, as well as some classic Young Link style in general put into him, especially with his moveset. But then again, that's just me.
According to Nintendo, LA is directly after LttP in the timeline.
Whacking people with a shovel FTW.
Anyway, sorry for being gone for so long, everyone...I was really sick, but I'm better now...I have to go post in the Confirmed Character Discussion now...
According to Nintendo, LA is directly after LttP in the timeline.
Whacking people with a shovel FTW.
Anyway, sorry for being gone for so long, everyone...I was really sick, but I'm better now...I have to go post in the Confirmed Character Discussion now...
Also, Zelda 2 is the last of the series' timeline. There's no way Link to the Past came afte that because Ganon was still Ganondorf in the beginning of the game.
EDIT: Nintendo has confirmed years ago that Link to the Past happened before the events of the First Zelda game.
I'm not saying Link'll live forever, and I'm not saying they will tell us the timeline. However, I am saying that it's unlikely in my opinion that they would just kill Link off after the second game in the series without saying anything about for...hang on...nineteen years.
Look, sorry for being sarcastic like that; I'm still not quite over my sickness and I'm kinda short-tempered...sorry.