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(talking about who placed where in a most wanted character poll)

Pluvia said:
King Dedede came first.
Then Diddy Kong, tied with Geno, Ike and Ridley.
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I'm pretty sure Sonic was the most requested in any poll worth mentioning. I don't know, maybe you found some first party poll, but I would have to assume Megaman would be in the top 4 or 5 as well...

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I really hope WW Link isn't in Brawl. I played Wind Waker, I like his art style.

The last thing we need is two of the same character in the game. I don't care if they have different moves, I don't care if they're technically not the same character. A new version of an established character takes a spot from a more deserving, more unique character.

There also seems to be a double standard. People are all over having 2 Links in the game, but when people want, for example, another Pokemon Trainer they get shot down almost instantly. Not that I support another PT, I don't.

Hell, I'd rather have Tingle than WW Link.
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Blasphemy! (though I get your point)

The reason some of us really support WW Link (BTW I don't care much about what he's called, well, I guess I just trust that it will sound good, and be official whatever they choose) is that besides the fact that we just love him and his colorful style, playful spirit, and unique fighting style... he also represents a significant chunk in Nintendo's history. The GameCube Era. Yes, even though TP is a GC game as well, (and I prefer it to the Wii version) it was released at a time when virtually no games were being made for Cube, and the Wii had already launched. I will always think of it as a GC game, but WW defined the system in it's younger years... all the way up until a bit after the launch of the Wii actually. (Actually TP didn't exactly resurrect or define the basically dead system.)

I don't know, it really all depends on how the game creators feel about this character. I can see both sides to the argument, though regardless I still want him in! (It's still much better than the clones in Melee.) As has been said the Zelda series has sort of split off in two directions. What's important about this statement, in regard to the Paper Mario argument, is that while the Mario series split—heck it split into craploads of series—they've always been secondary to the main platformer Mario games.

The Zelda series split evenly. Actually, in a way, the series is skewed toward the "WW style. Anyway, Wind Waker, FSA, TMC, and PH, are all "main games" in the series, not just a different art style for some wacky off-shoot title.

I'm not against Paper Mario... but then, I'm not attached to him, nor do I particularly want him in Brawl. Yes he's got orginal moves and a unique art style as well, but he's just... Mario. He kind of seems to have the same personality as his normal self. Well, just my opinion. Like I said I'm pretty neutral on PM. Well, take some of this stuff with a grain of salt, and a grain of leeway.
 
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Legol, if you read your posts, you switch back and forth saying TP is before, then after, then before again. I think you're the confused one. I for one have made my peace with TP. I'm not worried if it's before or after, all I know is that it's not TOO far away, no matter what direction you go to get to it.

And Burning Lava, don't compare WW Link to a second Pokemon Trainer. It's completely different. I don't need to define the reasons why, but you'd have a better shot at comparing water to dry ice.
 
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Kabyk-Greenmyst said:
Legol, if you read your posts, you switch back and forth saying TP is before, then after, then before again. I think you're the confused one. I for one have made my peace with TP. I'm not worried if it's before or after, all I know is that it's not TOO far away, no matter what direction you go to get to it.

And Burning Lava, don't compare WW Link to a second Pokemon Trainer. It's completely different. I don't need to define the reasons why, but you'd have a better shot at comparing water to dry ice.
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Can you read? because i read over them and i never once said it was before OOT.

But it IS (And this IS a fact) after OOT not to long and in the child time line.

WW Link for brawl.
 
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Kabyk-Greenmyst said:
OK, I'm one of the most pro-Cel-Shaded Link people around, but I do have to dispute one thing with you Twilight Hero. Our favorite Hero of Winds is NOT our other pointy-eared Hero of Time. CSL could be called an incarnation of Adult Link from OoT; some even argue he's not related at all. But it states in the opening of WW that OoT Link(TP Link included) is long gone:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rEoRavExhfo

And in general:
CSL -


Yes, this has been officially stated by Nintendo to be the modern new "official" look of Young Link. So OoT Young Link and MM Young Link are just that, game-specifc Young Link's. As it stands on this day of Sept. 2, 2007, "Young Link" refers to the generic cartoony character shown above. He encompasses WW, 4 Swords, Minish Cap, and WW:phantom Hourglass. They're all the same character, and is not the same person as Adult Link.

As far as I remember from reading it on a site a long time ago, this is the timeline:
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<--TP---------OoT--MM---------------------------------------WW--PH--------------->

Without time-travelling, there's no way Adult Link (or OoT/MM Young Link for that matter) could be the same person as WW Link.

BTW: This is all fine and dandy, but it doesn't have as much to do with smash as a unique moveset, well, there are plenty of movesets out there for WW Link that are completely unique, especially from Adult Link. Mine and Y.Link Underestimated are just two examples (and the links are in each of our sig's.)
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What the...but...huh? I never said WWL was the same as Adult hero of Time--or Young Hero of Time for that matter! I was saying Adult and Young Heros of Time are the same, and TPLink and CSLink are both different people!

Sorry for the confusion, people. Hero of Time=/=Hero of Winds who in turn=/=Hero of Twilight (TPLink; also, me). This I know, being a huge LoZ fan. Hope you guys got that.

And I'm pretty sure TP is after OoT. OoT is the first in the timeline, everyone, remember? TP might even be after WW and PH, but I don't think so.

<--OoT--MM---------------TP-------------------------------WW--PH----------->

...is what I believe the timeline is. All I know is that OoT is the first in the LoZ timeline.

Now I'm off to practice for a tournament. Wish me luck.
 
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OOT is in fact (By the more popular time lines) not 1st and you failed to do a split time line when there IS one.
 
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Kabyk-Greenmyst said:
If you're going to split the time line, it would be something like this:

Young Link: OoT > MM > WW > PH
Adult Link: OoT > TP?

Legol, TP is NOT in Young Link's timeline. Why would you put it there?
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O MY GOD O MY GOD O MY GOD O MY GOD.

1. Do your research
2. THEN tell me im wrong... o no wait you cant.

twilight_hero said:
Did you not read the part about "This timeline is not official"? OoT is the first game in the timeline! I'm sticking by that until Nintendo proves otherwise!
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Wow total lack of proper Zelda fans here... NO TIME LINE IS OFFICIAL.

Miyamoto did say OOT was the 1st game...




TEN YEARS AGO!! and seriously all the poof is there that MC the 1st in the time line... anyways lets stop this your ignorance (To the Zelda time line) is starting to get on my nerves just go here http://www.thehylia.com/forums/the-book-of-mudora-b29.0/ and read the threads.
 
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twilight_hero said:
I'm not watching twelve minutes of Zelda storyline. Tell me how the proved it and where.
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So much fail in your post. Open new window, or tab then pause it. Wait till once loaded skip to 8:25 in all seriousness you should watch it to prevent you from making ignorant posts in the future.
Legolastom is the only person here who seems to know how the games story goes. Its not that difficult people.
 
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Kabyk-Greenmyst said:
I dunno, Legol is flipping out because he thinks Young Link is in Twilight Princess somewhere. I dunno, ask him.
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Well, there's Colin. He could kinda be YL...

SenorPresidente said:
So much fail in your post. Open new window, or tab then pause it. Wait till once loaded skip to 8:25 in all seriousness you should watch it to prevent you from making ignorant posts in the future.
Legolastom is the only person here who seems to know how the games story goes. Its not that difficult people.
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Don't tell me how to work the Internets.

...all right, fine. But Link's Awakening is actually after LttP.
 
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I assume you guysa re talking about that mammoth timeline clip. It's not bad, but gets a few key things wrong. Link's Awakening, as mentioned, officially takes place right after A Link to the Past, with the same Hero. And Oracle games both happen on the same timeline.

As for this argument about which goes where, it's all about the quotes. Look them up, find them. Aonuma Eiji has made a few quotes regarding the split timeline, and there's apparently one on the Official Zelda Homepage as well. Here's how it goes down. OoT Link seals Ganondorf away, happy times. Later on, Ganondorf escapes somehow and with no Hero to help them, the people of Hyrule are in fear, so the godesses flood the land. Between 100 and 999 years later, cue The Wind Waker. In the official translation of a comment, 100 is stated, but a more accurate translation of the quote used given the context and nuances of the Japanese language is hundreds.

Meeanwhile, Hero of Time returns to his childhood and warns Zelda and the officials, who keep an eye on Ganondorf now they know what's happening, and they arrest him. They try to execute him, and we see the failed attempt in TP, where he gets pulled into the Twilight Realm. At least, if i remember correctly, that's what the quotes state happened.

Minish Cap has to be the first chronologically. The Link here gets his cap for the first time, and it's worth noting that in the intro it shows the hero of old, sans cap. The green cap doesn't make an appearance until an honour to do with Ezlo is bestowed upon Link. Also, the Hero of legend actually has a name, and it's Gustav, not Link. What other evidence is there? Okay, here. There's no mention of Ganondorf, and barely a mention of the triforce, so these aspects clearly haven't come into play as common Hyrulian legend yet. Also, Vaati unseals the chest that the Minish captured all the monsters of the land in, releasing them into the world, and ruining the happy state Hyrule was in. All other games have had monsters already as part of the world, so this has to be the first.

Oh, and Colin can't be YL. He's human, not Hylian. But if they want to branch off into other people merely taking on the role of Hero, Colin could do it, easily.
 
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Vagrant Lustoid said:
I assume you guysa re talking about that mammoth timeline clip. It's not bad, but gets a few key things wrong. Link's Awakening, as mentioned, officially takes place right after A Link to the Past, with the same Hero. And Oracle games both happen on the same timeline.

As for this argument about which goes where, it's all about the quotes. Look them up, find them. Aonuma Eiji has made a few quotes regarding the split timeline, and there's apparently one on the Official Zelda Homepage as well. Here's how it goes down. OoT Link seals Ganondorf away, happy times. Later on, Ganondorf escapes somehow and with no Hero to help them, the people of Hyrule are in fear, so the godesses flood the land. Between 100 and 999 years later, cue The Wind Waker. In the official translation of a comment, 100 is stated, but a more accurate translation of the quote used given the context and nuances of the Japanese language is hundreds.

Meeanwhile, Hero of Time returns to his childhood and warns Zelda and the officials, who keep an eye on Ganondorf now they know what's happening, and they arrest him. They try to execute him, and we see the failed attempt in TP, where he gets pulled into the Twilight Realm. At least, if i remember correctly, that's what the quotes state happened.

Minish Cap has to be the first chronologically. The Link here gets his cap for the first time, and it's worth noting that in the intro it shows the hero of old, sans cap. The green cap doesn't make an appearance until an honour to do with Ezlo is bestowed upon Link. Also, the Hero of legend actually has a name, and it's Gustav, not Link. What other evidence is there? Okay, here. There's no mention of Ganondorf, and barely a mention of the triforce, so these aspects clearly haven't come into play as common Hyrulian legend yet. Also, Vaati unseals the chest that the Minish captured all the monsters of the land in, releasing them into the world, and ruining the happy state Hyrule was in. All other games have had monsters already as part of the world, so this has to be the first.

Oh, and Colin can't be YL. He's human, not Hylian. But if they want to branch off into other people merely taking on the role of Hero, Colin could do it, easily.
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Thank you now hopefully those other two will read this.
 
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First off, I do read your posts Legol, you were just always giving broken explainations. Considering you said Young Link/ Adult Link timelines, implying the simple definition of which games starred Young Link and which starred Adult Link, NOT the intricate timeline of where the games fit in with each other.
2) I could've read them wrong. That would've been my bad.
3) I haven't played most of the portables, so that is why it was hard for me to put those in the timeline.
4) I stopped caring about the timeline when I said I stopped caring about the timeline. All I wanted to say was that WW was far into the future, away from OoT and TP.
5) And please don't start being rude, I actually usually agree with your points in other threads, so let's not degrade this with flaming, ok?

Now, what was your original argument against me? I really don't think there was, it was just a technical issue, because I think I remember us both being supporters of WW Link for Brawl. Am I correct?
 
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My previous post was more of a general statement rather than me implying you don't read my thread...

But it was merely a misunderstanding lets move on to WW shall we.
 
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I support WW Link for Brawl. Far more deserving of it than Zamus. Someone mentioned earlier supporting two links but not supporting two Pokemon Trainers, I believe. The reason's quite simple. Two links equals two movesets, and thus the creation time of two characters. Two PTs equals the creation time of six characters pretty much. There's your major difference.
 
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Vagrant Lustoid said:
I assume you guysa re talking about that mammoth timeline clip. It's not bad, but gets a few key things wrong. Link's Awakening, as mentioned, officially takes place right after A Link to the Past, with the same Hero. And Oracle games both happen on the same timeline.

As for this argument about which goes where, it's all about the quotes. Look them up, find them. Aonuma Eiji has made a few quotes regarding the split timeline, and there's apparently one on the Official Zelda Homepage as well. Here's how it goes down. OoT Link seals Ganondorf away, happy times. Later on, Ganondorf escapes somehow and with no Hero to help them, the people of Hyrule are in fear, so the godesses flood the land. Between 100 and 999 years later, cue The Wind Waker. In the official translation of a comment, 100 is stated, but a more accurate translation of the quote used given the context and nuances of the Japanese language is hundreds.

Meeanwhile, Hero of Time returns to his childhood and warns Zelda and the officials, who keep an eye on Ganondorf now they know what's happening, and they arrest him. They try to execute him, and we see the failed attempt in TP, where he gets pulled into the Twilight Realm. At least, if i remember correctly, that's what the quotes state happened.

Minish Cap has to be the first chronologically. The Link here gets his cap for the first time, and it's worth noting that in the intro it shows the hero of old, sans cap. The green cap doesn't make an appearance until an honour to do with Ezlo is bestowed upon Link. Also, the Hero of legend actually has a name, and it's Gustav, not Link. What other evidence is there? Okay, here. There's no mention of Ganondorf, and barely a mention of the triforce, so these aspects clearly haven't come into play as common Hyrulian legend yet. Also, Vaati unseals the chest that the Minish captured all the monsters of the land in, releasing them into the world, and ruining the happy state Hyrule was in. All other games have had monsters already as part of the world, so this has to be the first.

Oh, and Colin can't be YL. He's human, not Hylian. But if they want to branch off into other people merely taking on the role of Hero, Colin could do it, easily.
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I was joking when I said that; however, he's Ordonian...which is part of Hyrule...making him Hylian...I believe. Anyway, that's not important.

So...

<--TMC-------OoT--MM----------WW----------------LttP--LA--> Am I right with that, or are the last two elsewhere?

And...

<--OoT-------TP-------------OoS/OoA--OoA/OoS------> Is that right?
 
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raphtmarqui said:
I really hope WWL isnt in Brawl.
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Why shouldn't he=??? His two games are expected to outsell most series repped in Brawl. Plus YLink is the star of 11 or 12 of the 14 Zelda games, and he's the only real stand out Link. Your logic fails! :p

BTW, I think WW Link will be the Luigi of Brawl. Seriously, I think he'll be a super luigified clone, for sure! :)

C'mon guys, wat happened to the revival of posts I started=??? Nevermind, it's only been two [2] days! XD

So ya, WW Link 4 de Brawlz! :)DEFINITELY! :psycho:
 
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well, if CS Link was in Brawl, i hope he wont be too luigified. he'll be more jumpy with his sword attacks at least, his specials could end up different, like the ever-so-popular ^B=Deku Leaf. but if not, well, i hope he just keeps the bombs (bomb jump combo anyone? XD)
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I'm guessing his A based attacks will be very original, while keeping a few classics, like the hookshot [since Link has the clawshot], and the swordplant and sword up stab thingy [both from Zelda II on]. However, I see his <A>smash being the jump slash Zelda is so famous for, his dB being one low ground sweeping spin attack like attack, his nA and repetative nA slashes being original. Just the entire A moveset minus a few moves being a original.

For the B moveset, I see the nB staying the same [though with fundamental diffrence, like a Fox and Falco nB relationship], his <B> being original in the Skull Hammer, his bombs or boomerang [even, prefered boomerang, actually] being his dB, and his uB being the spin attack, but chargeable for the hurrican spin, while adult Link gets the super spin attack! :) Sounds good to me! :)
 
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u mean the jump slash Link is so famous for? anywayz: yea i saw Skull Hammer coming. im not sure about his arrows tho. maybe it will come back, maybe it wont but w/e. i just hope some type of bomb is there, i kinda prefer it more than the boomerang, but thats just me...his ^B most people agree on the Deku Leaf for the sake of originality, but Spin Attack would be a bit too much IMO. by HookShot u meant the Grappling Hook right? XD maybe not, but either way, both will work the same...but GH is a bit better. then again, u could see my moveset made for him...which i need to update next time i log on...its a bit bad nowadays (maybe worse) so it wont be perfect.
 
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ylink_underestimted said:
u mean the jump slash Link is so famous for? anywayz: yea i saw Skull Hammer coming. im not sure about his arrows tho. maybe it will come back, maybe it wont but w/e. i just hope some type of bomb is there, i kinda prefer it more than the boomerang, but thats just me...his ^B most people agree on the Deku Leaf for the sake of originality, but Spin Attack would be a bit too much IMO. by HookShot u meant the Grappling Hook right? XD maybe not, but either way, both will work the same...but GH is a bit better. then again, u could see my moveset made for him...which i need to update next time i log on...its a bit bad nowadays (maybe worse) so it wont be perfect.
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nah, im pretty sure he meant zelda's jump slash..... :crazy:

i agree with ylink over john knight id have to say. skull hammer, deku leaf and grappling hook being the key differences in the moveset. i wouldnt mind seeing his vB being the spin attack, like the mario tornado (used to be) but with greater range.

whatever happens, im pretty confident that ww link will make an appearance in brawl.
 
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Johnknight1 said:
Plus YLink is the star of 11 or 12 of the 14 Zelda games, and he's the only real stand out Link. Your logic fails! :p
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AoL-16 years old.
AlttP-15 years old.
LA-16 years old.
OoT-14-15 years old.
OoA-14 years old.
TP-16 years old.

Adult Link has been in almost as many as Y.Link.

I want Celda Link in. But do not belittle Adult Link.
 
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I stand by my own moveset as a nice example. But if WWL makes it in relatively uniquely from Link, then I'm satisfied.
 
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i'd love seeing WWlink in brawl, if they put him in he sould definately have his grapple hook and the deku leaf, those were the most important items in wind waker. (or maybe that tingle GBA thing, it'd be weird but fun)
 
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First off I would call him the Hero of the Winds.... If you remember Wind Waker, thats how they reffered to the new Link, as the old one from Ocarina of Time is Hero of Time. For moves, this is what I think...

B: Sword Spin - Like if you hold the sword button down in Wind Waker, he charged up, then starts spinning. Pretty much Link's Up B, but it keeps you on the ground, and the length depends on how you charge it. Fully charge it for him to go crazy like the skill in Wind Waker.

B Up: Grappling Hook - Does the whole tether recovery like Ivysaur's vine whip or Zamus' lasso

B Down: Iron Boots - I didn't think of this originally, but the original poster has a good idea on this one.

B Smash: Skull Hammer - Just like Kirby's hammer, however HotW (Hero of the Winds) slams the ground, not swiping it sideways like Kirby. For the air he just strongly swings it once, not multiple times like Kirby.

For people using a Deku Leaf in his sets, I'd say have him use it as a gliding option.
 
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The Hero of Winds isn't a suitable name, since this character also appears in games which haven't any relation with Wind Waker, like the Four Swords Trilogy. He should stay as Young Link, or Toon Link.
 
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yeah gliding with the deku leaf would be great!!

and maybe after you charge all the spin attack and go crazy you'll get dizzy and fall (it may have the same effect than the bannana peel)
 
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