ylink_underestimted
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what? being another Link clone is what should be avoided. thats y i was being sarcastic...
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Wind Waker Link's moves
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"Another" Link clone? As far as I'm concerned, he'll be the only one in Brawl. =P
But really, I don't see why everyone wants originality for originality's sake. Don't fix what isn't broken. Wind Waker Link used bombs, arrows, and so on. He had a completely different sword-fighting style, though. Why not start there if you want the character to be more different than he already is?
And if you do come up with other moves, at least make them... sensible.
A while ago, someone came up with a moveset that made WWLink use a lamp for the bair and a fishing rod for a fair or something like that. All sorts of random things. So why doesn't he use the lamp on the ground and only to hit behind himself, why use the rod in the air only...
Point is, this kid ain't Mr Game&Watch.
But really, I don't see why everyone wants originality for originality's sake. Don't fix what isn't broken. Wind Waker Link used bombs, arrows, and so on. He had a completely different sword-fighting style, though. Why not start there if you want the character to be more different than he already is?
And if you do come up with other moves, at least make them... sensible.
A while ago, someone came up with a moveset that made WWLink use a lamp for the bair and a fishing rod for a fair or something like that. All sorts of random things. So why doesn't he use the lamp on the ground and only to hit behind himself, why use the rod in the air only...
Point is, this kid ain't Mr Game&Watch.
Pokebrawl
Smash Journeyman
WWL will totally be in.
ylink_underestimted
Smash Ace
fine let me rephrase "another Link clone": being a Link clone again XD
yea i know, but most people want originality. I wouldn't give a **** if he was exactly the same as Young Link cuz i wouldnt change how to play my main
and admittedly, my specials that i made for him are bit awkward (wut i did with the hammer in the air; but hey, i wanted to keep my bomb combos. but for the sake of originality, i came up with something else...)
whoever said that mustve been high at the time...yer right tho, hes no Game&Watch. makes me think that the guy who had the Retro Link idea seem that way....(no offense if he's reading this)
Legolastom
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Hey why don't you make all his B moves sword moves? like his helm splitter and such that would be different.
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interesting
That would make him a tiny Marth. *scratches head*
I think the one B move that could really be replaced is the up-b. The spin attack could easily be turned into a smash and an aerial move, up-b could be the leaf, and together with the grapple hook, that makes for a nifty recovery.
I think the one B move that could really be replaced is the up-b. The spin attack could easily be turned into a smash and an aerial move, up-b could be the leaf, and together with the grapple hook, that makes for a nifty recovery.
DrewbyDewby
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but do you think if he comes out he would be so different from link?
DrewbyDewby
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i think wind waker link should have an up b that can be charged up or makes him able to move like luigi when he uses it, maybe not quite as fast tho
twilight_hero
Smash Lord
NO! He's not Young Link. That's the point.
Good point. Except he wasn't YL in ALttP.
"Celda"... that made me laugh...
So true! How about that one move where he spins around with the sword out? Or maybe some weird leaf instead.
That's also true. In TMC, he's not the Hero of Winds. Nor is he (they) the Hero of Winds in FSA. However, if there were to be a cel-shaded Link in Brawl, it would most likely be the version from Wind Waker. That was the biggest and best cel-shaded LoZ adventure, and offers the most choice IMO. Hero of Winds FTW.
Yeah. No more clones in Brawl!
NO!
First off, Helm Splitter wasn't a WW move, although there was that one attack. Second, he's not Link without some type of other items! That's why he uses the bow, boomerang, and bombs.
Yeah, I have to agree there. The grappling hook should totally be his Z, and the leaf should be his uB. Give him Ice Arrows, and modify the boomerang to make it more like it was in WW--for example, once it hits someone, you can tilt the control stick to change the direction it flies in; this can be done five times. And for the bombs...well, they're bombs. What can you do?
That's all I have to say for now.
I really hope WW Link isn't in Brawl. I played Wind Waker, I like his art style.
The last thing we need is two of the same character in the game. I don't care if they have different moves, I don't care if they're technically not the same character. A new version of an established character takes a spot from a more deserving, more unique character.
There also seems to be a double standard. People are all over having 2 Links in the game, but when people want, for example, another Pokemon Trainer they get shot down almost instantly. Not that I support another PT, I don't.
Hell, I'd rather have Tingle than WW Link.
The last thing we need is two of the same character in the game. I don't care if they have different moves, I don't care if they're technically not the same character. A new version of an established character takes a spot from a more deserving, more unique character.
There also seems to be a double standard. People are all over having 2 Links in the game, but when people want, for example, another Pokemon Trainer they get shot down almost instantly. Not that I support another PT, I don't.
Hell, I'd rather have Tingle than WW Link.
freeman123
Smash Lord
Who cares what they said? There's no way he would not have Link in his name.
So? It was originally used in Wind Waker.
I can almost guarantee you that they won't call him that. That's about as likely as them calling him Howdy Doody Link.
The way I see it, there are 4 possible names for this character:
1.Young Link
2.Wind Waker Link
3.Wind Link
4.Wind Hero Link
I'm willing to be anyone that if this version of Link appears in Brawl, he will have one of those 4 names.
ylink_underestimted
Smash Ace
thats done, SAMUS=ZAMUS
Tingle was a d*** in WW...XD
@Twilight: well in ALttP, he had the same childish scream. *Ylink screams* thats y...
n the "Celda" thing, i got it from Kabyk-Greenmyst XD
the all swords for B's...no. Fawriel's right. itd make him another Marth...having the Parry moves wouldnt be too bad tho...vB is good with its Bombs, but for the sake of originality, if it were to be changed, well the ideas are weird (including mine...)
EDIT: Freeman: well for one, stop sounding like u know whats definitelys going to be in Brawl: anything can happen.
who cares? well people thought it was a good idea. it was even in the first page (well actually he said "hero of time", but he was going for something like hero of winds)
fine then. we'll call him WIND WAKER SUIT LINK". it was a good idea so just chill...
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
Why do most WW Fans despise the character named Link...
I think they are Link haters...thus Zelda haters...
I think they are Link haters...thus Zelda haters...
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
They don't have seperate selections though so it doesn't count
(Sorry...Double Post)
ylink_underestimted
Smash Ace
so? they are still the same character. its like saving a spot in the selections, cuz they would have different attacks. CS Link would just be there but in his own spot, because Link's FS wont turn into because they still arent the same character.
thats wut some of us are trying to do: de-clone. wut makes him non-original tho? n wuts wrong with Paper Mario? even tho im neutral about it, he would still be different from Mario (he turns into a d*** plane)
Pluvia's other account
Smash Master
I cannot stress how much Wind Waker Link will not be a clone!
I guess I understand where some of the haters are coming from. In a way, it's another Link indeed, while there could be Midna or someone instead, who is completely and utterly a different person.
But in my eyes, WW Link is almost as much a different person, as his personality is another one entirely, which is what I think matters. You have one mature, calm, kinda dreamy hero guy with a detailed, semi-realistic art-style with subdued color scheme that resembles water colors, and a bouncy, chipper and curious kid with a terribly expressive face and a cell-shaded art style. If they didn't wear a similar outfit and their position wasn't pretty much the same, you'd think them different characters.
I guess in the end, it all depends on how many characters you think there'll be and how much you fear for other characters you hope for. I don't doubt that we'll still get Midna if Sakurai deems her a good idea, for example, and I do doubt very much that we'll get the WW Link character update with a note saying "I actually wanted to add Sonic, but I decided to go with this little guy instead because the young Link of Melee was such a popular character. Isn't he just lovable?"
But in my eyes, WW Link is almost as much a different person, as his personality is another one entirely, which is what I think matters. You have one mature, calm, kinda dreamy hero guy with a detailed, semi-realistic art-style with subdued color scheme that resembles water colors, and a bouncy, chipper and curious kid with a terribly expressive face and a cell-shaded art style. If they didn't wear a similar outfit and their position wasn't pretty much the same, you'd think them different characters.
I guess in the end, it all depends on how many characters you think there'll be and how much you fear for other characters you hope for. I don't doubt that we'll still get Midna if Sakurai deems her a good idea, for example, and I do doubt very much that we'll get the WW Link character update with a note saying "I actually wanted to add Sonic, but I decided to go with this little guy instead because the young Link of Melee was such a popular character. Isn't he just lovable?"
freeman123
Smash Lord
I don't think that there will be any clones like there were in Melee. The closest thing we'll see to clones in this game, IMO, are people like Luigi. If WW Link gets in, I think he'll be as different from Link as Luigi is from Mario. He won't be a clone, but he won't be completely different either.
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Maybe not in movesets.
But essentially, WWLink would be the same person.
What's the dictionary's definition of "clone" again?
ylink_underestimted
Smash Ace
thanks Fawriel. I think when people read that, they might think different of him. lol at the end paragraph XD
i think maybe he'll be an update after Brawl comes out. he might end up secret like Ylink.
EDIT: Freeman u mean Luigified right? (people told me that was wut its called O_o)
Darkurai: yea well the dictionary definition doesnt really have anything to do with Smash does it? plus, even if it was the literal term, he's still not the same person...also i stole your countdown sig XD
i think maybe he'll be an update after Brawl comes out. he might end up secret like Ylink.
EDIT: Freeman u mean Luigified right? (people told me that was wut its called O_o)
Darkurai: yea well the dictionary definition doesnt really have anything to do with Smash does it? plus, even if it was the literal term, he's still not the same person...also i stole your countdown sig XD
susu_atari
Smash Ace
We're not talking about the dictionary definition. When talking about Smash Bros. if somebody refers to a character as a "Clone" it is ALWAYS because they share a virtually identical special moveset, ie. Captain Falcon and Ganondorf or Marth and Roy. Please learn your Smash lingo. Wind Waker Link has a very good chance of making it in, and there certainly isn't going to be LESS characters from Zelda in Brawl, as there were in Melee, is there?
twilight_hero
Smash Lord
All right, I step in again...
Young Link
He's not Young Link. He won't be like Young Link in Melee. He won't be called Young Link!
Wind Waker Link
Nope. They're not gonna call him that. Why would they? It makes no sense! Why would you wanna go to a tournament as "Wind Waker Lnik"?
Wind Link
Are...you serious? That's even worse than Wind Waker Link!
Wind Hero Link
Were you high when you came up with these?
About your edit: so true!
...although, "Wind Waker Suit Link"? Are you serious? I hope for the sake of your existence that you're not...
Cel Shaded Link and Paper Mario ARE NOT CLONES!
I'll say it once, and I'll say it again: Midna will almost assuredly be accompanied by Wolf Link.
Here's the dictionary's definition of clone:
...NVM, it doesn't have one. I'll provide one, then:
A clone is a character with a near-exact copy of another character's moveset. The clone of the cloned character may be faster or slower, heavier or lighter, stronger or weaker. The attacks are usually slightly different. For example...
Original character: Link
--AND--
Clone character: Young Link
Young Link is faster, smaller, lighter, and weaker than his older counterpart Link. These are the differences in their movesets.
B: Link fires what look to be light arrows that go farther. Young Link fires fire arrows that take less time to fully charge.
^B: Link's Spin Attack hits an opponent once and sends them flying, making it a very effective KO technique. Young Link's hits many times, catching the opponent in the whirlwind of sword slashes, which means it does the same amount of damage, but is no good for KOs.
</>B: Link's boomerang is slightly larger and goes farther. Young Link's is smaller and does not go as far, but he has more influence over its trajectory.
vB: Link's bombs are larger and, as always, go farther when thrown. Young Link's, however, hit more times than Link's and are smaller, making it harder to see them coming.
Dair: If an opponent is hit with the hilt of Young Link's sword during his dair move, the opponent will be Meteor Smashed and flaming.
Z (or R+A/L+A): Link's Hookshot is longer, enabling him to grab opponents that are farther away and making it easier to use it as a recovery.
So you see, the dictionary definition of the word "clone" has no meaning in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Thank you. Buh-bye now.
Luh-hoo...zuh-her
- His art style has nothing to do with Brawl. Where'd that come from?
- THEY'RE NOT THE SAME CHARACTER! Jezus! They're completely different! I hate it when people refer to WWL as "going to be a clone of Link" or some other sh;t like that! It's idiotic!
- That's because you could have another PT as another costume. People want two Links in the game because...exactly that! They're two Links. Two very different Links. Get that in your head, people!
- That's 'cause you fail. Tingle is a piece of sh;t.
About the names:
Young Link
He's not Young Link. He won't be like Young Link in Melee. He won't be called Young Link!
Wind Waker Link
Nope. They're not gonna call him that. Why would they? It makes no sense! Why would you wanna go to a tournament as "Wind Waker Lnik"?
Wind Link
Are...you serious? That's even worse than Wind Waker Link!
Wind Hero Link
Were you high when you came up with these?
That was only the GBA version, I think. Not the original. If you read the maual, he's like 14 or something.
About your edit: so true!
...although, "Wind Waker Suit Link"? Are you serious? I hope for the sake of your existence that you're not...
First off, don't insult the awesome kid in the awesome green suit with the awesome conical hat that I awesomely main. Second, CSL is a great idea. Third, so is Paper Mario. Fourth...
Cel Shaded Link and Paper Mario ARE NOT CLONES!
Thank you, Fawriel. I hope you live a long happy life and go to heaven. Or some crap like that.
I'll say it once, and I'll say it again: Midna will almost assuredly be accompanied by Wolf Link.
That's true. Thankfully, I don't have to yell quite as much now. At you, anyway.
NO! HE WOULD NOT! CSL is NOT the same as the Twilight Princess version of Link who is appearing in Brawl!
Here's the dictionary's definition of clone:
Here's this site's definition of clone:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clone said:
...NVM, it doesn't have one. I'll provide one, then:
A clone is a character with a near-exact copy of another character's moveset. The clone of the cloned character may be faster or slower, heavier or lighter, stronger or weaker. The attacks are usually slightly different. For example...
Original character: Link
--AND--
Clone character: Young Link
Young Link is faster, smaller, lighter, and weaker than his older counterpart Link. These are the differences in their movesets.
B: Link fires what look to be light arrows that go farther. Young Link fires fire arrows that take less time to fully charge.
^B: Link's Spin Attack hits an opponent once and sends them flying, making it a very effective KO technique. Young Link's hits many times, catching the opponent in the whirlwind of sword slashes, which means it does the same amount of damage, but is no good for KOs.
</>B: Link's boomerang is slightly larger and goes farther. Young Link's is smaller and does not go as far, but he has more influence over its trajectory.
vB: Link's bombs are larger and, as always, go farther when thrown. Young Link's, however, hit more times than Link's and are smaller, making it harder to see them coming.
Dair: If an opponent is hit with the hilt of Young Link's sword during his dair move, the opponent will be Meteor Smashed and flaming.
Z (or R+A/L+A): Link's Hookshot is longer, enabling him to grab opponents that are farther away and making it easier to use it as a recovery.
So you see, the dictionary definition of the word "clone" has no meaning in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Thank you. Buh-bye now.
Luh-hoo...zuh-her
ylink_underestimted
Smash Ace
Twilight: i shouldve put [/sarcasm] at the end...this is the reason i said that tho: people kept saying "Wind Waker Link" was going to be his name because its origin of style came from the game Wind Waker, which of course is the obvious reason why that should be his name ([/sarcasm] XD). Well, seeing as Zamus got her style from Metroid: Zero Mission, her name in Brawl became Zero Suit Samus. get me? yea...i was just trying to make a point...
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
So you can't say that WWLink and regular link would be the same as Samus and Zero Suit Samus...First, you can't select Zero Suit Samus...Second, they count as 1 character, since they are the same character....
ylink_underestimted
Smash Ace
That still doesnt change the fact that CS Link and Link are different characters. You couldnt select Sheik in Melee(aside from Holding A, which doesnt count), but she/it still counted as a different character: you generally had to choose Zelda and use vB. Well, you have to use Samus' FS to be Zamus, thus being different(same person, different CHARACTER). Besides, PT isnt technically one character. CS Link and Link are still different characters in both ways: different people, different characters. Samus and Zamus were brought up to point out that there are already two of the same character, even tho CS Link and Link arent.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
They shouldn't count as different characters and by all technicallity...don't
that was only because people used Shiek instead of Zelda in tournaments and never switched to Zelda and the fact they have different movesets...
Since Zero Suit Samus most likely won't be in tournaments due to her status...and the fact she IS Samus and the only way to get her is using her final Smash...It doesn't count as the same thing...
your talking about seperate characters with serperate movesets taking up a space on the select screen...Transformation characters won't take up spaces on the select screen so that doesn't count
I believe WWLInk will most likely be in...I'm just saying they aren't the same thing
twilight_hero
Smash Lord
Ah, gotcha. That's actually funny, now that I know what it means.
Who are the same character? If you're saying CSL and TPLink are the same, you're wrong. If you're talking about Samus and Zamus, you're still wrong. They're not the same character...they're the same person, like ylink said. They're different characters though.
You're right, ylink (or should I call you underestimted? Nah, I'll stick with ylink, 'cause it's shorter). Zelda and Sheik took up two pages in the Player's Guide--Zelda on one, Sheik on the next. That's how it'll be with Samus and Zamus, Psycho. They're different characters, but the same person.
Zelda and Sheik? Different characters, same person. Zamus and Samus? Same thing. Link and Young Link? Same thing (they're just in, you know, different stages of their life). However: TPL and CSL? Two very, very different characters...and people.
TPL is an older, more responsible man who works on a ranch and is good with kids. They look up to him for guidance, come to him with problems, and generally want to be around him. He obviously has a crush on Ilia. He lives a relaxing life near the forest of Ordon.
CSL, however (let's base this off WW), is a young boy who lives on the island of Outset. He has no responsibilities at all, and lives a carefree life with his grandmother and sister. He knows the kids and plays with them, and has no interest in girls at all.
Not to mention the fact that they're from two very different games and have very different adventures with the very different storylines and very different items. CSL=/=young TPL. CSL=his own d@mn, kick@$$ character.
...Just like TPL.
PsychoIncarnate
The Eternal Will of the Swarm
I was talking about he shouldn't compare 2 different characters on the select screen to transformation characters...What's the difference between character and person?
twilight_hero
Smash Lord
Link and Young Link are the same person, but not the same character. They are both Link (the same Link in this case, which is why TPL and CSL aren't the same person), but they have different movesets, so they are different characters. I'm pretty sure that's what ylink is getting at.
ARX-7 Arbalest
Smash Journeyman
good moveset but the 5 hammer slam is a little too much. maybe just one and if its charged maybe one huge slam but thats it
ylink_underestimted
Smash Ace
i only brought the 2 up because some CSL haters say there shouldnt be two Links(some are referring CSL to being a Link clone if u will). so i was just trying to say that there are already 2 Samus'...then me n Psycho got into a little quarrel about comparing the Links and Samus'...
pretty much wut i was trying to say...oh yea just call me ylink. underestimated is fine tho (ive been called that a few times). or u could call me by my "gamer" name: Pare`(d*** how do u put the little accent over the E?)
Kabyk-Greenmyst
Smash Lord
OK, I'm one of the most pro-Cel-Shaded Link people around, but I do have to dispute one thing with you Twilight Hero. Our favorite Hero of Winds is NOT our other pointy-eared Hero of Time. CSL could be called an incarnation of Adult Link from OoT; some even argue he's not related at all. But it states in the opening of WW that OoT Link(TP Link included) is long gone:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rEoRavExhfo
And in general:
CSL -
Yes, this has been officially stated by Nintendo to be the modern new "official" look of Young Link. So OoT Young Link and MM Young Link are just that, game-specifc Young Link's. As it stands on this day of Sept. 2, 2007, "Young Link" refers to the generic cartoony character shown above. He encompasses WW, 4 Swords, Minish Cap, and WW
hantom Hourglass. They're all the same character, and is not the same person as Adult Link.
As far as I remember from reading it on a site a long time ago, this is the timeline:
EDIT:
<--TP---------OoT--MM---------------------------------------WW--PH--------------->
Without time-travelling, there's no way Adult Link (or OoT/MM Young Link for that matter) could be the same person as WW Link.
BTW: This is all fine and dandy, but it doesn't have as much to do with smash as a unique moveset, well, there are plenty of movesets out there for WW Link that are completely unique, especially from Adult Link. Mine and Y.Link Underestimated are just two examples (and the links are in each of our sig's.)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rEoRavExhfo
And in general:
CSL -
Yes, this has been officially stated by Nintendo to be the modern new "official" look of Young Link. So OoT Young Link and MM Young Link are just that, game-specifc Young Link's. As it stands on this day of Sept. 2, 2007, "Young Link" refers to the generic cartoony character shown above. He encompasses WW, 4 Swords, Minish Cap, and WW
hantom Hourglass. They're all the same character, and is not the same person as Adult Link.As far as I remember from reading it on a site a long time ago, this is the timeline:
EDIT:
<--TP---------OoT--MM---------------------------------------WW--PH--------------->
Without time-travelling, there's no way Adult Link (or OoT/MM Young Link for that matter) could be the same person as WW Link.
BTW: This is all fine and dandy, but it doesn't have as much to do with smash as a unique moveset, well, there are plenty of movesets out there for WW Link that are completely unique, especially from Adult Link. Mine and Y.Link Underestimated are just two examples (and the links are in each of our sig's.)
Legolastom
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WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG The timeline (IMO goes like this)
OOT (Adult) - WW - PH
OOT (Child) - MM - TP
And the split time line has been confirmed but seriously TP could IN NO WAY come after OOT.
Kabyk-Greenmyst
Smash Lord
OH yea, you're right. I forgot TP was before OoT, silly me.
EDIT:
I know they should be split, but for my argument, it was the timeline of the places the games take in that I was referring to. I didn't put PH bcuz it's a sequel, so it's pretty obvious where it goes.
EDIT:
I know they should be split, but for my argument, it was the timeline of the places the games take in that I was referring to. I didn't put PH bcuz it's a sequel, so it's pretty obvious where it goes.
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Kabyk-Greenmyst
Smash Lord
How does OoT Adult go into WW when WW Link is Young Link?
And for my argument, it was much simpler to use the combined timeline. And I do remember now that TP was claimed to be before OoT....or was it after? Either way, it's not very far away whether it's before or after. My point was that WW is very far in the future, so there's no way it could be the same person.
And for my argument, it was much simpler to use the combined timeline. And I do remember now that TP was claimed to be before OoT....or was it after? Either way, it's not very far away whether it's before or after. My point was that WW is very far in the future, so there's no way it could be the same person.
Legolastom
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No TP wasn't before OOT seriously have you played both games? (If you have then just think about it for more than a second).
Anyways anyone who thinks that any Link (Except for these three: PH Link, MM Link, LA Link and Zelda2 Link) are the same then thats just... ********.
(I don't think he was anyway unless i missed something...)
Anyways anyone who thinks that any Link (Except for these three: PH Link, MM Link, LA Link and Zelda2 Link) are the same then thats just... ********.
(I don't think he was anyway unless i missed something...)
Kabyk-Greenmyst
Smash Lord
to your second comment, I know. That's what I was proving with the timeline and such, that they're not the same character.
And I guess TP was before. I never worried about it much, and it didn't reallyl interact with the story of TP either, as much as WW at least, so I guess it just slipped my mind.
And I guess TP was before. I never worried about it much, and it didn't reallyl interact with the story of TP either, as much as WW at least, so I guess it just slipped my mind.
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