Will Brawl end Melee?

[h1roshi]

The question is will melee end brawl?!?...peace

-hiroshi

 

[Sidius]

i don't think that Brawl will end melee, just for the simple fact that there will always be those who prefer melee...as for large scale melee tournaments, well...they might be replaced by Brawl tournaments but only time will tell

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I understand this, as it is VERY difficult, well it must be, to do a game where all the players have equal chance of winning. Even a friend of mine who isa hardcore SC gamer like you, says that even when is a very balanced game, the alien race (the ones who can develop a lot of units faster than the others) is a bit better because of that fact.«

In smash matters, i would be incredibly happy, if the line between a sucky pichu and an allmighty fox gets the thinnest as possible.







Wel, personally ill just buy a wii for brawl and thats it for me.

Like you, i have been thinking about why i loved and enjoyed more the snes era. I couldnt understand when people younger than me(not that im an old carcass, im 23 XD), came praising games like FF 8 nd 10, (which IMO are crap), when games like Lufia 2, FF4,FF6,Tales of phantasia, looked maybe even more compact, graphically talking about, and story wise.

But after all this years, i think the reason why people like you and me, love and remember the snes era like the bestof all, is that we played it in our youth, and we grew with that system, so we enjoyed more it, and discovered how fun gaming was with those games.

Now i see the graphics and the super modern things the new consoles have, (which are way better than the games we played before) but for some reason, is no the same feeling . I dont enjoy as much as i enjoyed before.

I cant stop playing smash, because is simply too good as a VS game,maybe the best evar, but well thats just me.


In summary, i think we are getting old, lol XDDD

Hey thanks for sharing thats a good way to put it. And im completly wasted out of my mind, mind you but that comment was well appreciated....

well us old foggies have emulators and the true kvlt of us have our classic consols to game on.... break out the snes, mmx2 anyone? no.... mario allstars, lets beat mario 3

or lets play gears of war. so realistic...... mario sux cuz he is 2d or he is polygonz or has a water pumpz.

 

[Johnknight1]

OMG THE FUTURE!!! Super Nintendo iz so primitive lolz it sux compared 2 xbox 1260 and Playstation nine.

Bull. ****ing. ****. The SNES is by far the greatest console to ever be released and has several games on it that have never ever been matched in graphical beauty or gameplay perfection like zelda a link to the past and final fantasy 3.

So the rest of you can go play SC2, super smash brawl, and gears of war. Me? Im turning on my emulator and grabbing my controller.

Best statement ever, stop tempting me to sig this! SNES ftw=tLOZ: ALTTP, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, FF 3, 4, 5, 6, Super Mario RPG, Super Mario World 1&2, Super Metroid, Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, 3, and Star Fox=need anything else????

Seriously though, Melee will never die, even if Brawl is better. I think Brawl should just be Melee with a few new modes, new features, new characters, 1-4 cut characters, online WiFi play, items, etc. It will probably use the same physic engine, and have a few new dodging and attacking moves. Sakurai knows the expectations are near impossible, as does Nintendo. Nintendo will do everything they have to back Sakurai up, who has nothing but fanbase involved. Overall Nintendo has to get REALLLYYY desperate, working to the bone in order for Brawl to work as good or better than Melee, and I'm feeling quite optimistic.

Anyways, if Brawl isn't as good as Melee, I'll sure as hell stick with Melee, but I think I'll wait to judge which is better. Anyways, the reason we're all hyped is we haven't gotten a new SSB game since 2001! 6 years...woah, and between SSB64 and Melee it was 2, 2!!! We've waiting 3 times as long, and it sure as hell beter be worth it. Anyways, it comes down to this, most of us will main Brawl, while some of us main Melee.

Now the smash community will be divided a little (10% at most sick with Melee if Brawl is worth the hype), but overall the majority and minority will still play each other's game. Plus a good percentage of the smash community who's main is cut will stick with Melee, so add that to the equation. The online definitely helps Brawl for people like me who are too lazy and not entirely dedicated to be typical tournament goers. Melee will never die, but there is a better questionj I have.

Will BRAWL End SSB64=???

^^^^ that is the question we should be asking, because I started playing SSB64 on Kaillera 2 or 3 months back, and the SSB64 section isn't tha full compared to Melee or Brawl, and it will get even worse! Even though SSB64 has Kaillera (online multiplayer) on it's side, it isn't nearly as big as Melee's section or Brawl's currently on the SWF. Melee will do fine, and most of us will play both SSBM and SSBB, but SSB64 might get totally run over and forgotten.

IDK, I hope I'm wrong, and I will mainly stick with Brawl if it's worth the hype (otherwise Melee), and play a lot of Melee and SSB64 on the side. In other words, Melee won't die, I'll play Melee over Brawl (even if Brawl is better) just soo long as it doesn't die, and it won't die....EVER!!! SSB64, however has a unfornately much higher chance of slipping under the radar...permantely! I REALLLLYYY hope I'm wrong on this, Idk though...any thoughts=???

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

This part of your post was pretty reasonable, and I'm glad to say I can respect you a lot more now. I was about to go into how Sakurai is not Nintendo, even if he has pressures, he will still make a game true to what he feels is good/right... but I think you already get it. I too will be sorely disappointed without WDing, but like you said, if there is enough depth and a good variety of techs, it could still be very tournament worthy. Also, yes, we don't know til it's released. Well said. So yeah, we can still hope. So far they haven't really shown anything that looks totally gayified. We haven't seen any shffling to see if the game can be played quickly. We've seen what appears to be screenshots of air dodging, but we don't know yet. Teching has been in the first two games. The gameplay looks basically very similar. This is Nintendo's biggest cash cow ever, meaning even if they sell a bazillion copies this time, if people still have a bad taste in their mouths from Brawl, Nintendo knows the franchise might not sell so hot. Just look at Mario Kart. Sure it still sells, but I think DD severely crippled the massive appeal that it once held over gamers. (Even though I kinda don't mind that one.) Nintendo won't want to repeat this... but yeah, just a thought to boost morale, not like I'm trying to make a solid argument.

I have a feeling we'll learn alot more come July.

it means a lot to me man that you read my opinion and actually responded....

I dont know guys like really I sound all confident and **** and like im throwing these opinions in your face but im just really passionate about what -I- like. If you like gears of war or whatever the heck im not gonna harp on you for it, play smash with items whatever **** I just think the tournament rules have it right and smash is a VERY FUN game to play any way you can imagine for hilarious results, wacky competitions, and with the proper rules in place set in standard by the elite gamers of the smash community a tournament scene with rules that strive towards establishing a competition that will test the players mastery of their character alone in a 1v1 or 2v2 situation on stages that can not be too heavily abused by certain characters *cough fox + hyrule temple*

So I dont want to force anything on anybody I just know what I like and im voicing it I dont wanna argue with anyone. as for the scrub remarks I stand by them in the sense that I dont want people who talk about ``^cheap moves`` or whatever scrub **** to respond to my posts as they are a waste of time.

Hope you understand better. As for brawl ending melee... Im serious, me wtih two swords on a cliff defending it too the end with my crew. Melee will never die, Japanese DI.

Edit yo jo Johnknight I misjudged you. Sorry I was harsh on you before but after reading that post I see you are an intelligent guy with an optomistic outlook and some good thoughts to match.

Thanks for the compliment, hope you post more in my will brawl suck thread

 

[180OP]

If Brawl truly goes online, then Melee will become like SSB64 or even less players.

We all crave for the Online experience. There better be status and what not section also.

I dont care if Wavedashing is not in Brawl....if they brought something new, that's good enough.

changes are good. we should embrace them. Everyone is going to race for Brawl to be the ones to figure out the new stuff. I bet most of the pros will select a random character, go to multiplayer and see if wavedash is still there. lolz.

 

[Level 9]

The question is will melee end brawl?!?...peace

-hiroshi

Sorry I did get a bit off on that didn't I...

The point I was getting at is whats with some peoples obsession with wavedashing & why do they feel it would make or brake Brawl... ?

I do realize this is a far cry from how allot feel here but it's something I've read several times over already here & there throughout each topic...

 

[Legolastom]

Hey maybe the newcomers who buy brawl (seeing as the wii is backwards compatible) will buy melee because they loved brawl so much and we all know how much we crave for new characters (we would buy a sequel even if it was exactly the same as melee except had caterpie as a newcomer) so if they become smash fans they would buy melee to see those ones who never made it into brawl *cough ice climbers, pichu, mewtwo, maybe ness, young link (replaced by cel shaded link), dr.Mario, sadly marth and roy will be replaced by updated fire emblem characters (IKE!) and mr. game and watch cough*.

Sorry had something in my throat...

 

[Drascin]

changes are good. we should embrace them. Everyone is going to race for Brawl to be the ones to figure out the new stuff. [...]

That's my opinion too. A lot of people seem to want brawl to be Melee 1.5, I myself want it to be as much of a step as Melee was from SSB64. Probably Sakurai will find a middle ground between the two postures, but I'm hoping for a crapload of new stuff.

 

[Wolfrider]

Hey maybe the newcomers who buy brawl (seeing as the wii is backwards compatible) will buy melee because they loved brawl so much and we all know how much we crave for new characters (we would buy a sequel even if it was exactly the same as melee except had caterpie as a newcomer) so if they become smash fans they would buy melee to see those ones who never made it into brawl *cough ice climbers, pichu, mewtwo, maybe ness, young link (replaced by cel shaded link), dr.Mario, sadly marth and roy will be replaced by updated fire emblem characters (IKE!) and mr. game and watch cough*.

Sorry had something in my throat...

I was just about to say, "I would not buy a sequel for just a new Pokemon character!" Then I realized it was a **** lie, and I'd buy any game even remotely Smash related (Jump Ultimate Stars anyone?). I have a feeling that once Brawl hits, Melee will be reserved for nostalgia factor. I still bust out the original every now and then but serious gaming happens only on Melee. If Brawl has a robust online mode, then you might see IRL Melee tournaments side by side mostly online Brawl ones. That was always my problem with getting "pro" at Melee. I never could, simply because I live in a town where hardly anyone games, and certainly not enough to justify tournaments. I ended up playing only with friends, which handicapped me something fierce when I fought against new opponents. The online options have the opportunity to really spread the Pro gamers out and hopefully the community Brawl generates will be much more lively and competitive.

As far as WDing I don't care. Like I said, I never really had the opportunity to use it (there was no need) and from what I've seen Links WD is nigh useless (correct me if I'm wrong). L-Cancelling needs to be kept though.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Will BRAWL End SSB64=???

^^^^ that is the question we should be asking, because I started playing SSB64 on Kaillera 2 or 3 months back, and the SSB64 section isn't tha full compared to Melee or Brawl, and it will get even worse! Even though SSB64 has Kaillera (online multiplayer) on it's side, it isn't nearly as big as Melee's section or Brawl's currently on the SWF. Melee will do fine, and most of us will play both SSBM and SSBB, but SSB64 might get totally run over and forgotten.

IDK, I hope I'm wrong, and I will mainly stick with Brawl if it's worth the hype (otherwise Melee), and play a lot of Melee and SSB64 on the side. In other words, Melee won't die, I'll play Melee over Brawl (even if Brawl is better) just soo long as it doesn't die, and it won't die....EVER!!! SSB64, however has a unfornately much higher chance of slipping under the radar...permantely! I REALLLLYYY hope I'm wrong on this, Idk though...any thoughts=???

I just hope the same because i'm one of the few people who still plays SSB64 on an occasion but in seeing Brawl's release, I think for sure it will die down for good even if Brawl doesn't have all the aspects that people want, they will probably still play Melee over SSB64 which is a bad thing for the SSB64 community

 

[Legolastom]

Unless they put ssb64 on the Virtual console then the people who don't buy brawl will buy that lol.

 

[Wolfrider]

Unless they put ssb64 on the Virtual console then the people who don't buy brawl will buy that lol.

I think SSB64 on the VC just prior to Brawl's release is a given. Nintendo would be stupid not to do it.

Then we could play all three Smash games on our Wiis

 

[Legolastom]

Yhea... while we are on this matter it would be cool if they released 64DD games on the Vc.

 

[CStrife187]

i think that melee will never die. I'm surprised that no one has used this example specifically, but look at the biggest fighting game tournament today, EVO. Look at the number of "old, outdated" games. SFIII, SSF2T, Capcom vs SNK 2, and Marvel Vs Capcom 2. All of these were great games, which offered gaming experiences and characters on no other game to date. Melee will do the same, because some people's mains will get taken out, and the gameplay engine will change, even if it's only slightly. Melee will remain tournament viable as long as it offers something unique, which I'm sure it will.

:edit:

Also, two words why brawl online will suck bawls. "Friend Code"

 

[Legolastom]

But i presume there will be a random battle system its like that in most games and i don't know why friend codes are so bad i mean i know that they are annoying but no random match ups since when!?

 

[OmegaXXII]

yeah you have a point there Legolastom, I hope people will play it on the on the Virtual console then which will be badd ***

 

[CStrife187]

ok, but if the random matchups are like in Mario Kart DS, then I want no part of them because you either get pitted against people who are way better than you, or people who can't steer in the right direction. Either way it's not that fun. Nintendo should just put in a Ranking system and let us create profiles

 

[Legolastom]

They could make it so you match up against people who have the closest skill level to you (Like in mario kart) thats searching at the moment.

 

[Burning Lava]

I just hope the same because i'm one of the few people who still plays SSB64 on an occasion but in seeing Brawl's release, I think for sure it will die down for good even if Brawl doesn't have all the aspects that people want, they will probably still play Melee over SSB64 which is a bad thing for the SSB64 community

Or maybe it's a good thing. Depending on which way you look at it. The people who currently play 64 will be the one's playing Brawl/maybe Melee. Are they going to be just as happy yes? So the actual current community will be happy cause they will still have fun playing whatever they play, but... I guess if there's a few people like maybe yourself who just won't move on to a a newer game... I guess those few people might not be happy, but like I'm implying... there just won't be a SSB64 community anymore. It's not something to be sad about, those people can just join the rest of us in the more broad and general "Smash Brothers" community. We'll all play all of the games, unless of course you're too young to have even played SSB64 or something like that.

So no, it won't be like a tournament game really, but people will play SSB64 — at least for a little bit of fun — forever.

I'm just trying to deemphasize the dividing of these games. If Brawl turns out alright, like it probably will, we will have 3 of the most awesome games of any community out there. We won't forget where we started, but yes, we'll be playing a heck of a lot more Brawl, and to a lesser extent, Melee. They're just bigger, more feature packed versions of the original, so why not? Let's not make this a loyalty issue, because it isn't one. Every still loves the oldies.

OK, sorry people for making these big fat posts, but I'm really trying to address the big picture, and put certain fears to rest.

 

[-Wolfy-]

I have got to say. Dylan Tnga wins the Smashderbater of the week award for this one. Almost everything has been a great point. In closing, EVERYONE GIVE MAD PROPS! MAD PROPS I SAY!

 

[Doggalina]

Also, two words why brawl online will suck bawls. "Friend Code"

Don't you read the Wii thread? Mic posted something that said that some guy from Next Level Games (the developers of Strikers Charged) said that Friend Codes are tied to Miis, not individual games. This is basically like having personal profiles on your Wii.

Also, Friend Codes aren't a huge problem. You can still fight random players. If Brawl's online is like Metroid Prime Hunters' (the best Wi-Fi game on DS), then you can add "Friends" by using friend codes, and you can add "Rivals" by clicking a button after a match. Sounds cool to me.

EDIT:

ok, but if the random matchups are like in Mario Kart DS, then I want no part of them because you either get pitted against people who are way better than you, or people who can't steer in the right direction. Either way it's not that fun. Nintendo should just put in a Ranking system and let us create profiles

Don't worry about it. In Mario Strikers Charged, I believe there is a ranking system with leaderboards.

More:

Ranked matches put players up against a random opponent of a similar skill level. A billboard showing the player's Mii will be shown along with the Striker of the Day. The Striker of the Day is the player who can earn the most points on a daily basis within a one week season. Players can earn points by winning matches, scoring goals, and even losing matches (although they won't earn as much as winning). Disconnecting from a match will cause players to lose points. The ranked matches do not use friend codes, are region specific, and support 1 vs. 1 and 2 vs. 2 player matches.

Friendly matches are casual matches in which players can go up against their friends. Unlike the ranked matches, the unranked matches use the friend code system, are not region specific, and there is no point system involved for winning or losing matches. Players will be able to import their Mii, each Mii will have their own friend code so that users can have separated friends lists than other people using the same console. The unranked matches support 1 vs. 1, 2 vs. 2, and 3 vs. 1 player matches.

Many people have had complaints of not being able to access the online features in-game, though this is most likely down to servers not able to cope with so many players on at one time.

See? Brawl will have something like this, and Brawl's online will probably be better.

 

[Thino]

you guys shouldnt worry too much about ssb64 community... we're still hardcore !

 

[Legolastom]

Maybe a few people will still play melee for the things that get taken out (I will still play it for pichu... to beat the hell out of pichu!).

And those newcomers to brawl that want to play all the things that melee had that brawl didnt (Stages the trophies multi man melee etc)

 

[LinkGadra]

Will Brawl end Melee?

Nope. People still play SSB64, seven years after Melee. I'm pretty sure the same can be said again.

 

[Destiny Smasher]

I think that people will continue to play SSB64 and Melee, especially if Brawl does away with certain characters or mechanics that people liked.
*cough*Wavedashing*cough*Pichu*cough*GameandWatch*cough*
There I go with my wishful thinking again...
Well...I guess I like G+W. So I guess I'll miss him...a little. =P

But seriously, people still play the original Super Mario Kart, so people will still play the older Smash games, too.

 

[Legolastom]

Will brawl end melee... doubt it
Will brawl end SSB64... yep SSB64 is gone
Will melee end brawl... i highly doubt it
Will melee end SSB64... Thats for brawl to do
Will SSB64 end brawl... Are you joking or something
Will SSB64 end melee... it never will!

 

[Thino]

Maybe a few people will still play melee for the things that get taken out (I will still play it for pichu... to beat the hell out of pichu!).

And those newcomers to brawl that want to play all the things that melee had that brawl didnt (Stages the trophies multi man melee etc)

once brawl is out you'll realize that there is much more than the characters/stages/modes difference that make you prefer one over the other

Will brawl end SSB64... yep SSB64 is gone

you dont know what you're talking about

 

[Mikezor]

Melee ended SSB64. End of story. Out of like the 43 people in our smash scene, I only know 2 or 3 people who still play it. Dead enough for me.

Over time, Brawl WILL end Melee. The Melee community will shrink as more people get Brawl, and once people get used to Brawl, no one will go back to Melee.

 

[Legolastom]

Actually why do any have to die out? we can play all 3 on our wii no problem and they will be easy to get straight into so actually now it think about none will end (Until the wii does)

 

[Thino]

Melee ended SSB64. End of story. Out of like the 43 people in our smash scene, I only know 2 or 3 people who still play it. Dead enough for me.

Over time, Brawl WILL end Melee. The Melee community will shrink as more people get Brawl, and once people get used to Brawl, no one will go back to Melee.

talk for yourself, over 60 people play SSB64 online on kaillera servers every single day,and im only talking about U.S. , so Melee ended SSB64 where you live

 

[Legolastom]

60 people that aint much at all

 

[Thino]

I said over 60 people and only US people ,so its far from being dead considering Japanese prefer SSB64 over Melee

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

ssb64 is far from dead. You're just plain ignorant if you think its dead... its the only smash game thats online at the moment for christs sake!

SSB64 is a great game, it didnt die. Melee is a GREAT game, my favorite, its still going strong and I doubt brawl will make it die, people love melee far too much.

I dont think anythings gonna end anything, theres always gonna be people like me out there who love all the smash games

 

[Terrorking91]

I will most likely play brawl a bit but I will play melee way more. And to tell the truth, it ALL depends on the game. I know people that play SSBM cause of HRC, event match records, TT records and if they change that stuff in brawl then im know those people will most likely not play it as much. Melee is a good game and my fav. at that and brawl looks good and all but it all depends on how they make the game.

In ssb64 there was an item called the Bumper which they took out for SSBM and put the flipper (flipper is not as cool ). For Brawl so far i think we only know 3 items thats in it. The Gooey Bomb, Super Scope, and the Smash Ball. Now what if they change/take out yet another few items then brawl won't be as fun to some people. Same thing with some of the characters. If they take any out, will the new ones still be good enough to make people play? We only know so far the ones that you probly get from the begining, but who are the ones you have to unlock??

All depends on the game, as for me SSBM is the game I will play more.

(For the record I don't really use items lol I just used that as an example)

 

[Terrorking91]

Lol just think that if they make a SSB game thats the 10th in the series, people will still be playing ssb64 + SSBM more then all of them XD lol

 

[CStrife187]

Dylan_Tnga, you make a ridiculous amount of posts! how in the world did you get over a thousand in less than half a year? I would almost say too many posts, but almost all of the posts of yours that I've read are intelligent posts that actually say something. Amazing.

On topic, melee will never die, just like street fighter II will never die, MVC2 will never die, etc.

 

[Legolastom]

Hey things never die out anyway i mean you still get people playing any game (Even f1 racing or monster inc the game(lol) so you know no people wont stop playing anything.

 

[Sensai]

If someone can give me a reason as to why Brawl would end Smash64, that'd be much appreciated.

People play 64 Smash because they enjoy it, not because 'everyone else is doing something else, so therefore I'm going to go against the grain.' They play it because it's fun and it's different from Melee. It's going to be different from Brawl, too...

Either I completely missed where that was explained (which is possible), or that question is filled with failure.

 

[-Wolfy-]

Smash 64 is on a different level in my opinion. Because the gameplay is quite different, it is a game that has a load of diehard fans, and people who just prefer the speed of play alot more. Smash 64 has endured Melee, and WILL endure Brawl. No question about it.