Why not Dair

[g2g4l]

I'm lost. Most of the Oli vids i watch noone ever uses the Dair spike off stage. I mean i know that Oli 's gimping lvl make his potential as a interceptor drastically low but I've only seen one or two Olis that do it. The Dair has a Spike that makes it a sweet meteor smash and that equals very low percent kills. Maybe there is something i am missing something in the Oli metagame that i am overlooking so can someone explain it to me

 

[Fino]

Lol. Watch any olimar 'combo' vid.... most are just spike vids.
Anyways (on topic), going off the ledge to attack with olimar is risky, and dair has low priority and leaves olimar really open. IMO there are a lot better options for olimar. I get a spike in every now in again.
*This is coming from an olimar who loves to play off the edge btw*
:D


~Fino

Edit: I'm not saying it's bad... olimar's spike is good, just make sure you're going to get it off

 

[asob4]

i go for spikes often :/
i played ganon in melee, i'm good at spiking :D

 

[Jadedlink]

Most Olimar highlight/combo videos have spikes.

I usually set myself up for a blue bthrow or heave pikmin as my opponent is recovering. But I almost always try the Dair. It has great horizontal knockback if you hit it right as well as spiking.

 

[Fino]

Most Olimar highlight/combo videos have spikes.

I usually set myself up for a blue bthrow or heave pikmin as my opponent is recovering. But I almost always try the Dair. It has great horizontal knockback if you hit it right as well as spiking.

It's so finicky though... it seems to favor the horizontal knock back more than the spike (for me)


~Fino

 

[g2g4l]

I know its just i LOVE to play off the stage and granted there have been a many times i have had to play catch up to get a stock back but there is just as many time where i three stocked someone for just from the spikes i was just wondering

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Man, I love dairing and getting hit by someone's recovery move.

 

[g2g4l]

I mean of course i know i'm not meta knight and can't go far i mean the distance of a short hop but just sitting next to the ledge and giving you opponent the time it takes till jesus comes back to regroup is just....you know to me not a good idea

 

[Noraa]

i dont dair unless its 100% working

 

[fishyz0911]

I used to dair a lot but im starting to find that a lot of players have good answers to olimars edge game. MK has a good upB; ROB nair, fair and can survive even after getting daired, falco usually never gives me the option because he side B's. Those are the people i usually play against so most times i feel it wiser (not necessarily funner) to side B pikmin off the ledge to either cause extra damage/ disrupt them and try to prepare an attack for when they get back (like a fsmash or usmash). The only smart thing in terms of edge game for olimar in terms of spiking i feel is a SH spike when they are just coming up off the edge.

I think that trying to play an opponent in an edge game is risky for olimar, but nonetheless it is fun. If you are going to go for it make sure you do it fast.

 

[CALOZ]

What you talking about? Lots of highlights and combos vids have olimar spiking

and its really good to use. But i sometimes use the dair on stage aswell

 

[g2g4l]

I admit i don't Dair onstage as much as i should becuz of the ground lag but i'm not saying that i only Dair off stage this discussion is really just why don't ppl intercept with oli. I just saw this vid where the Oli would just stand there everytime Lucario went offstage and it gave him time to breath. What i am saying is that just becuz your afraid of of being edgehogged you shouldn't just sit on stage. I mean get into intercepting and mix it up and there is no way every character has an answer to all of your attacks so GET OFF AND ATTACK ARMY OF CAPTAINS.

 

[Dyyne]

It's pretty easy to dodge spikes in this game, so they don't happen to often, but I have noticed something pretty cool. When fighting mk, they will often go for an up b if your above them off the stage. The up b only has great kill potential when it's used next to the edge, towards off the level. So, if the mk is recovering and you jump out, the mk will possibly up b. Since dair has a long lasting hitbox, if you time it right, or they time it poorly, you can dair them out of the up b, either spiking, or killing off the side, since dair has amazing knockback when it doesn't spike. You might be hit also, but it won't kill you even at reasonably high percents, since you be hit towards the stage.

I admit i don't Dair onstage as much as i should becuz of the ground lag but i'm not saying that i only Dair off stage this discussion is really just why don't ppl intercept with oli. I just saw this vid where the Oli would just stand there everytime Lucario went offstage and it gave him time to breath. What i am saying is that just becuz your afraid of of being edgehogged you shouldn't just sit on stage. I mean get into intercepting and mix it up and there is no way every character has an answer to all of your attacks so GET OFF AND ATTACK ARMY OF CAPTAINS.

I never just let them come back. The oli you watched had no reason to sit back, and was just playing poorly, imo.

 

[TheWii]

Dair autocancel if you do it right.

 

[Fino]

Man, I love dairing and getting hit by someone's recovery move.

<3 TOO funny!
To contribute to the post, I like to randomly dair people mid-stage.... just to mix things up :D
for instance, when people start to jump out of dthrow combos (or their percent gets too high) I like to dthrow, dair.


~Fino

 

[Kashakunaki]

Best combo in the game:

Footstool to spike

 

[Snail]

Fsmash edgeguarding is both safer and more effective against many characters, but spiking works well on some. I only do it occasionally though...

 

[DanGR]

dthrow>RARdair to backside of opponent (and very fast)> dtilt =awesome

they gotta DI towards you though.

 

[Rocann]

that's got to be the flashiest most useless thing I've ever heard of

 

[DanGR]

pretty much. It's fun though. ^__^

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Fsmash edgeguarding is both safer and more effective against many characters, but spiking works well on some. I only do it occasionally though...

This x 100

Unless you can grab them.

 

[Kyas]

Streetlight Manifesto, that's what you're missing

I do secretly desire to spike everyone I possibly can, but I can't do that in tournament >_<
One move that gives me almost as much satisfaction, however, is to run offstage and fair opponent's into the wall, which isn't as risky.

BTW, does anyone know if you can tilt your spikes so that they don't make you DI down so aggressively? That's one of the problems I've always had and for some reason, I never try that out :/

Oh, and to Kasha... footstool spiking feels ridiculously good indeed

 

[Rocann]

@kyas: yes you can

 

[Pyronic_Star]

*random*
@norra
omg ur in a crew lmao, and u didn't invite me i hate u >.< just playing lol can i mm your crew for leadership

on topic, i go for it some, i just don't chase with it... but theres nothing better then spiking a metgay while he up-b's..... its strict timing, but if u can predict their up-b, u can spike them through it

 

[g2g4l]

Truth be told if i am truly looking for a satisfying footstool to a Dair spike I go with Marth to not only footstool but to do beautiful Tip Dmg as well it just always feels amazing

 

[Cook]

@kyas: yes you can

What? How? I've tried holding up on the control stick and c-sticking the d-air, but it always makes me fastfall if I'm already heading downward.

 

[Fino]

You can cancel the momentum with a jump. Ie you jump and then dair -> you won't fall at all, and you should have enough time to tether.


~Fino

 

[Rocann]

that's because your cstick is set to smash. either set your cstick to tilt (bad for oli) or just tilt the control stick down a little bit like if you were doing a dtilt and hit A

 

[Kyas]

@kyas: yes you can

as expected. It always hovered in the back of my mind but I never remembered to try it out for some reason. Thanks for clearing that up