Why I want Impa in SSB4 instead of Sheik

[Spire]

Can't wait til Impa's confirmed as a replacement

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I bring facts all the time, and never once anybody tried to counter Sheik got scrapped from a Zelda game, then the unused design got in Brawl, but in the next major console Zelda, Impa returns with a bigger role than ever. On par with Link and Zelda even. Why shouldn't this be considered a major treath for Sheik's chances?

Okay, then. Sheik was not even close to cut in Brawl, and Sakurai went out of his way to get her in, regardless of all that. It did not lower her chances at all.

So that means that Impa might still not be considered either.

Also, role as a main character is not the same as a storyline role. Link, Zelda(and Sheik) and Ganondorf/Ganon are all the main characters. Impa still isn't.

I don't see her chances actually better than Tingle even. Who's popular in 2/3 of the world. And he's not even that onpopular in the US.

 

[SuperBowser]

The zelda/shiek mechanic must remain.

The "WTF WHY AM I A PRINCESS" moments never get old.

 

[Spire]

Sheik is not a main character. Sheik was a disguise Zelda used in literally one game. Zelda is a main character and most who know Zelda do not instantly associate her with Sheik. Sheik is extraneous. Tetra and the Phantom from Spirit Tracks are equal components to Zelda as Sheik is, and each play as pivotal a role in the stories of Wind Waker and Spirit Tracks as Sheik did in Ocarina of Time.

If Sheik is a main character, so is Tetra, and so is the Phantom and thus, they must all be in Smash Bros. Sheik is attached to the Zelda design employed in Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess only. Let's say they use Zelda's design from Skyward Sword in Smash 4. Would they create a new Sheik design to match the SS aesthetic so it ties in? Or would they just use Impa who not only outweighs Sheik in design etiquette, but is actually important not only to the latest Zelda game but the series as a whole? Anyone who plays the Zelda series knows Impa is more important and recognizable than Sheik and yes, while that is not the only criteria for who gets into Smash it is certainly contributory. Vaati has appeared three times in the series but has yet to make it in Smash (and probably never will) because he's not as important as his big bad counterpart Ganondorf. Ganon obviously steals the villain spot for LoZ.

There are currently five Zelda characters in Smash: hero, princess, villain, secondary hero, and ninja. Link, Zelda, and Ganon will probably be in forever, but secondary hero and 'ninja' are always viable to change. They replaced Young Link with Toon Link because he was more relevant. What's stopping them from replacing Sheik with a character more relevant? Did you even play Ocarina of Time? Do you recall just how Zelda even learned how to become Sheik? She was taught the Sheikah arts over the course of 7 years by Impa, her guardian. Impa was not important enough in OoT to make it in Smash Bros. (Sheik was obviously the better choice—and who expected it? A great surprise!) But now Impa stands tall. There is absolutely no way of knowing what will happen with SSB4 right now, but you shouldn't discount the sheer weight that Impa now carries against Sheik in competing for that 'ninja' representative spot.

If ever there was a fourth main character in the series, it would be Impa. As the Hyrule Historia recently revealed, Shigeru Miyamoto created Impa to be the the third bearer of a Triforce—she was to originally hold the Triforce of Power, but that role was moved to Ganon. She has been in the series since literally the first game, with appearances in: The Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link, Ocarina of Time, Oracle of Ages, Wind Waker (stained glass reference), Twilight Princess (Impaz and Hidden Village reference), and lately Skyward Sword with a role as crucial and memorable as any other character in the game save maybe Zelda herself. There was even a character in Spirit Tracks named Anjean who was no doubt a nod to Impa as she resembled and played a very similar role. Impa is the guiding sole of the series, and has displayed combative prowess within the context of the games. Oh no, she didn't have a trophy! Maybe because in Brawl, only a few of the trophies were actually made for the game; most were borrowed models from other games. All of the Zelda trophies were ripped straight from WW and TP, neither in which Impa actually appeared. No wonder she didn't have a trophy in Brawl

And for the record, Tingle's bountiful fame sure is evident in Skyward Sword. He appeared as a whole easter egg doll in Zelda's cabinet! What importance!

 

[yani]

Sheik is not a main character. Sheik was a disguise Zelda used in literally one game. Zelda is a main character and most who know Zelda do not instantly associate her with Sheik. Sheik is extraneous. Tetra and the Phantom from Spirit Tracks are equal components to Zelda as Sheik is, and each play as pivotal a role in the stories of Wind Waker and Spirit Tracks as Sheik did in Ocarina of Time.

If Sheik is a main character, so is Tetra, and so is the Phantom and thus, they must all be in Smash Bros. Sheik is attached to the Zelda design employed in Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess only. Let's say they use Zelda's design from Skyward Sword in Smash 4. Would they create a new Sheik design to match the SS aesthetic so it ties in? Or would they just use Impa who not only outweighs Sheik in design etiquette, but is actually important not only to the latest Zelda game but the series as a whole? Anyone who plays the Zelda series knows Impa is more important and recognizable than Sheik and yes, while that is not the only criteria for who gets into Smash it is certainly contributory. Vaati has appeared three times in the series but has yet to make it in Smash (and probably never will) because he's not as important as his big bad counterpart Ganondorf. Ganon obviously steals the villain spot for LoZ.

There are currently five Zelda characters in Smash: hero, princess, villain, secondary hero, and ninja. Link, Zelda, and Ganon will probably be in forever, but secondary hero and 'ninja' are always viable to change. They replaced Young Link with Toon Link because he was more relevant. What's stopping them from replacing Sheik with a character more relevant? Did you even play Ocarina of Time? Do you recall just how Zelda even learned how to become Sheik? She was taught the Sheikah arts over the course of 7 years by Impa, her guardian. Impa was not important enough in OoT to make it in Smash Bros. (Sheik was obviously the better choice—and who expected it? A great surprise!) But now Impa stands tall. There is absolutely no way of knowing what will happen with SSB4 right now, but you shouldn't discount the sheer weight that Impa now carries against Sheik in competing for that 'ninja' representative spot.

If ever there was a fourth main character in the series, it would be Impa. As the Hyrule Historia recently revealed, Shigeru Miyamoto created Impa to be the the third bearer of a Triforce—she was to originally hold the Triforce of Power, but that role was moved to Ganon. She has been in the series since literally the first game, with appearances in: The Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link, Ocarina of Time, Oracle of Ages, Wind Waker (stained glass reference), Twilight Princess (Impaz and Hidden Village reference), and lately Skyward Sword with a role as crucial and memorable as any other character in the game save maybe Zelda herself. There was even a character in Spirit Tracks named Anjean who was no doubt a nod to Impa as she resembled and played a very similar role. Impa is the guiding sole of the series, and has displayed combative prowess within the context of the games. Oh no, she didn't have a trophy! Maybe because in Brawl, only a few of the trophies were actually made for the game; most were borrowed models from other games. All of the Zelda trophies were ripped straight from WW and TP, neither in which Impa actually appeared. No wonder she didn't have a trophy in Brawl

And for the record, Tingle's bountiful fame sure is evident in Skyward Sword. He appeared as a whole easter egg doll in Zelda's cabinet! What importance!

The ninja is the princess. You stated the hero, princess, and villain will probably be there forever.

 

[Spire]

The ninja is a placeholder spot. Zelda is capable of a moveset without transformation contingency. Her capabilities have evolved since Ocarina of Time (they acknowledged this solely with her final smash in Brawl) and they'll change her further for Smash 4.

Sheik is Zelda but Zelda is not Sheik. The Triforce triumvirate will always be in Smash, but the rest is up for grabs. Sheik is not part of that despite being a disguise of Zelda's. If anything, Sheik is an excuse to not add an entirely separate character. Everyone knows the transformation actually hurts her character and both (Zelda and Sheik) would be better off split. Once split, the latter would need to become its own character unbound to the former. The perfect answer? Impa.

I'm not trying to convince you this is going to happen, but the fact that you naysayers cannot seem to grasp this very concept bewilders me.

 

[yani]

Yes, Zelda is capable without a transformation. Sakurai chose to keep Sheik in Brawl when she wasn't in TP. It doesn't matter that they "had the design". If he cared for relevance, Sheik would not have appeared in Brawl. Bottom line. The transformation is not going anywhere, which means Sheik is here to stay.

Now hypothetically if there WAS a split, the idea isn't the worst, but it would still be best to keep Sheik to rep her OoT.

There won't be a split though. Oh well

 

[Conviction]

Ahh whatever, have fun arguing over something you have zero control over.

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Impa returns with a bigger role than ever. On par with Link and Zelda even. Why shouldn't this be considered a major treath for Sheik's chances?

So you're telling that

A.) Impa does as much as Link or Zelda has ever done in the whole series
B.) That Impa is important as those too

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[Spire]

Without Impa, Link would have failed at the second dungeon in Skyward Sword.

Without Impa, Link would have gotten as far as Zelda's courtyard in OoT.

Without Impa, Link wouldn't even know what the Triforce is in LoZ/AoL.

She's rather important. And yeah, I laughed at myself for continuing arguing. I could not resist!

 

[Diddy Kong]

These guys are actually IMPOSSIBLE to argue with Spire. No mather how many times you use straight logic up in their faces, they'll always come with the same neglectable arguments as: Sheik = Zelda (not knowing every Zelda is different), no Impa trophies in Melee / Brawl (yet being mentioned in them for sure at least somewhere), Brawl's Sheik (which they didn't go out of their way for getting her in, it was just laziness pure and simple) and that damn unproven Toon Sheik who apparently proofs the world all resolves around Sheik now.

You guys are a bunch of hard *****, and you know it. Funny thing still is y'all can't debate Zelda for ****. I've yet to take any pro Sheik argument really serious.

Iblis, ever played Zelda even? Let alone Skyward Sword? How you think you know it better?

A separate Sheik is laughable, Sheik herself will never be separate. Zelda however easily could, and her standalone B moves are a rep to OOT on their own. Still, don't see the ****ing point of having to have OOT references in playable characters all the damn time. Use it for Gdorf instead, not Link and Zelda.

Besides, its either Impa or no new Zelda character I feel.

 

[KrIsP!]

Without Impa, Link would have failed at the second dungeon in Skyward Sword.

Without Impa, Link would have gotten as far as Zelda's courtyard in OoT.

Without Impa, Link wouldn't even know what the Triforce is in LoZ/AoL.

She's rather important. And yeah, I laughed at myself for continuing arguing. I could not resist!

Without Link there would be no Impa. And while we're using this totally pointless argument that leads to nothing an dhas nothing to do with smash.

Without Sheik, Link would never have beaten OoT, oh but without Impa there would be no Sheik, but without Zelda there would be no game. And there you go we've exhausted all options and got nowhere in that time. GG

These guys are actually IMPOSSIBLE to argue with Spire. No mather how many times you use straight logic up in their faces, they'll always come with the same neglectable arguments

lol no, this is you. You seem to be blind to your own negeligence..I'm done. I'm ltierally shocked and can take no mor eof simply reading this. You've used no logic, you've just proved your bias towards Impa while other people have shown facts that all Impa ha sdone has resulted to nothing in smahs because smash =/= Zelda and vice versa. You have zero proof right now thta anything she did in SS has any importance in smash while they at least have proof that Sheik got in when no one expected her too...twice. Objective vs. Subjective, at least they have logic, you have fan fare.

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[Mic_128]

Still, don't see the ****ing point of having to have OOT references in playable characters all the damn time.

So add another character that's entirely OoT refferences? The fact they went with Toon Link and not Young Link shows that it's pretty darn unlikely to have any more OoT characters.

 

[Spire]

So add another character that's entirely OoT refferences? The fact they went with Toon Link and not Young Link shows that it's pretty darn unlikely to have any more OoT characters.

Impa is not an OoT reference, she is a Legend of Zelda reference with her most recent (and prominent) outing being Skyward Sword.

Sheesh, did anyone play that game? Because anyone who played it should at least be on the fence between Sheik and Impa in this argument.

 

[yani]

I've beaten SS. There's absolutely no reason to be on the fence with this. Impa is still a secondary character.

If we get SS designs for Link and Zelda, chances are we'll get one for Dorf as well. Is it so unrealistic to get a Sheik design as well? Sheesh

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Impa is far from a secondary character.

You've gotten to know her before you even knew Zelda or Ganon. Impa is a staple in the Zelda series and entirely more deserving to be in Smash than Sheik is.

 

[Mic_128]

Impa is not an OoT reference, she is a Legend of Zelda reference with her most recent (and prominent) outing being Skyward Sword.

Sheesh, did anyone play that game?

Not me. Huh, guess I've got another reason to get around to it.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I've beaten SS. There's absolutely no reason to be on the fence with this. Impa is still a secondary character.

If we get SS designs for Link and Zelda, chances are we'll get one for Dorf as well. Is it so unrealistic to get a Sheik design as well? Sheesh

Ganondorf would easily fit an all SS Zelda Smash character cast cause he was in Wind Waker. It's much easier to fit him in, but still think / hope he'll get an OOT look.

And yes, Impa being around in the first place, with a recent role, from the fastest selling Zelda game ever, recently released before Smash's development... I seriously don't see any good reason to revive a dead character YET AGAIN for Smash.

 

[yani]

Impa is far from a secondary character.

You've gotten to know her before you even knew Zelda or Ganon. Impa is a staple in the Zelda series and entirely more deserving to be in Smash than Sheik is.

Sorry, she's still a secondary character. "Deserving" isn't in Sakurai's criteria.

Ganondorf would easily fit an all SS Zelda Smash character cast cause he was in Wind Waker. It's much easier to fit him in, but still think / hope he'll get an OOT look.

And yes, Impa being around in the first place, with a recent role, from the fastest selling Zelda game ever, recently released before Smash's development... I seriously don't see any good reason to revive a dead character YET AGAIN for Smash.

To be fair, any character could be given a SS design. Sakurai is a game developer. He could do it if he wishes. Sales don't mean anything to Sakurai. Sheik isn't a dead character in Smash, and I don't see any reason to replace a two time vet with a secondary character.

 

[Oasis_S]

The only reason people think a replacement is NECESSARY is because Sheik doesn't have a new design, and then they come up with a bunch of stuff to support the idea.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Y'all can't read? Impa is NOT a secondary character. Not every character can have a SS design, only the Zelda team makes those. And why would they make Sakurai a Sheik design? They'll most likely suggest him to use Impa instead. It's not an unlikely scenario seeing the recent happenings around Zelda.

 

[Oasis_S]

"Every character can have a SS design, and the Zelda team can be asked to make them" would be a more true statement.

"Every character can have a SS design, and anyone can make one and have the Zelda team approve of it" would also be true.

You make it sound like they'll just be lazy, lol. "No, we don't have a Ganondorf design, just use

Spoiler

Demise

instead."

 

[yani]

The three main characters are Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf. Impa is not a main character. I said Sakurai could make his own SS Sheik design if he wanted too, not the Zelda team (though they could too). Again, they can suggest to have Impa in as a character, that doesn't mean she has to replace Sheik.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Difference being the overall character importance. Wanna argue now Sheik is on Ganondorf's level?

And its more likely than not that Impa would replace Sheik.

 

[yani]

Sheik is Zelda, Zelda is on Ganondorf's level...

No it isn't, the playstyles won't be split up, and Zelda can't "transform" into Impa.

 

[Oasis_S]

Sheik is Zelda, Zelda is on Ganondorf's level...

No it isn't, the playstyles won't be split up, and Zelda can't "transform" into Impa.

Don't be silly. If Impa is in, she'll replace Sheik, and Zelda will "transform" into Impa.

Zelda magics herself away and Impa appears in a puff of smoke. It's no big deal.

 

[yani]

Impa must step in to protect Zelda in a fighting game!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Uh yeah, totally would work that way.

Zelda is about as important as Ganondorf, but the least of them 3 still, and still: Zelda was Sheik just ONE TIME. How does a one off earn a full playable unique role in Smash over Ganondorf anyway??

 

[Oasis_S]

By Sakurai not giving much of a damn about what you think is important.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Y'all can't read? Impa is NOT a secondary character.

Does she have a Triforce piece? Is she a true key player in all the stories? I mean, besides the ones that actually just have a Ganon expy. Oh, wait, no, she only did stuff in the manual of the first two games.

Not every character can have a SS design, only the Zelda team makes those.

Please tell me you're not serious here. Sakurai can make his own designs if he wishes to. If they don't want to remake her design, he will. He remade Pit, after all.

And why would they make Sakurai a Sheik design? They'll most likely suggest him to use Impa instead. It's not an unlikely scenario seeing the recent happenings around Zelda.

1) Because Sakurai likes Sheik, not Impa.
2) Suggesting Impa won't get her in. It'll give her a chance, but nothing more.
3) It's an unlikely chance giving the recent happenings around Smash. Logic doesn't hold up. Start looking at Smash's happenings.
4) All characters are composite characters in Smash. They take references often from the latest games, but when's the last time an Upthrust existed in any recent games? Or Sonic's Dive Kick in Brawl? That's not even HIS move.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Zelda is composite of OOT and OOT by your standards then. She did a lot more in her roles after OOT, so why keep her down like that?

Impa also wasn't in any Zelda game around the development of Brawl, so why should she be in Brawl then?

 

[yani]

Because again, relevance doesn't play a part in Sakurai's criteria. If he wanted Impa, we would have had Impa

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Zelda is composite of OOT and OOT by your standards then. She did a lot more in her roles after OOT, so why keep her down like that?

So other than a Sword, what has she herself done? Because all we knew is that she's a powerful spellcaster throughout the series, and her moves shows that.

Impa also wasn't in any Zelda game around the development of Brawl, so why should she be in Brawl then?

Why would Ness still be in Melee what Mother 3 was the latest game? I can pull that too.

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.

2. The character must be unique.

3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.

4. They must contribute to the game balance.

Read the criteria again. Why not follow this with your arguments? Want to know why Ness got in SSB64 instead of Ninten? The staff personally outvoted Sakurai on it. Roy? Advertisement for the new Fire Emblem.(Smash is his first appearance, so relevancy doesn't matter)

You're also using role wrong. The only time he's shown caring about role is OVERALL role. Overall, Impa's just a secondary who helps out. She's not any better than one of Link's random partners, she's just a bit more notable due to having more appearances. Overall, she's still awesome.

Oh, another thing; Link's Boomerang was given to Adult Link in the first game, because Sakurai thought every Link used it. He wants stuff from various games since he's repping the character as a whole, not one particular version. One-offs exist, but outside of them, every character has moves from various games.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ness was a one off yes, but a real big classic one since he actually was in Smash 64. Yet, Sakurai DID SAY he wanted to put Lucas in Melee instead. Ness staying has probably more to do with Earthbound was the only Mother game released internationally. So Ness and Sheik are not in the same boat at all.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ness was a one off yes, but a real big classic one since he actually was in Smash 64. Yet, Sakurai DID SAY he wanted to put Lucas in Melee instead. Ness staying has probably more to do with Earthbound was the only Mother game released internationally. So Ness and Sheik are not in the same boat at all.

And OOT is released internationally too.

I'd like to note that while it's entirely possible Sheik might have not made it into Brawl, Impa wouldn't have either.

Also, honestly, try using HIS criteria for your argument.

 

[Diddy Kong]

No your right, if Sheik wasn't in Brawl, Impa wouldn't have been in either. That's because her most promintent role is in a 2011 game, not 2005~2006. She wasn't in Twilight Princess, and it would've been weird to have her over Sheik while both appeared together in the same game.

Sure Impa fits the criteria, easily. How does Sheik make people wanna play the game in the first place? Impa fits everything if Sheik did it the first place. She even does point 4 obviously much better if she is planned to be a separate character from Zelda, thus finally give Zelda a down B, and her not needing to fill in where Sheik "lacks".

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No your right, if Sheik wasn't in Brawl, Impa wouldn't have been in either. That's because her most promintent role is in a 2011 game, not 2005~2006. She wasn't in Twilight Princess, and it would've been weird to have her over Sheik while both appeared together in the same game.

If Impa's role was important enough, she'd have something more with Melee. She didn't. And no it wouldn't have. She could've been in over Young Link as a clone of Sheik.

Sure Impa fits the criteria, easily. How does Sheik make people wanna play the game in the first place? Impa fits everything if Sheik did it the first place. She even does point 4 obviously much better if she is planned to be a separate character from Zelda, thus finally give Zelda a down B, and her not needing to fill in where Sheik "lacks".

People like Sheik because, for starters, she IS Zelda.(that's TP Zelda's design, but none of her powers save a freaking Light Arrow, except OOT Zelda had Light Arrows too and could probably use them, so that theory's out) She also has been playable in Melee, and people love Ninjas.

And removing Zelda's Down B doesn't contribute to the game balance either. The balance between Zelda and Sheik was specifically that they could switch to eachother to change your current playstyle. Same as Pokemon Trainer. That's HOW they were balanced. I agree they may not be balanced in other gamers' opinions, but in Sakurai's opinion, they clearly were.

Sheik lacks nothing. Impa doesn't ultimately bring more to the table either. Unless she can bring an entirely unique moveset that doesn't copy off of Zelda and/or Sheik in anyway.(your example didn't supply this either)

Impa isn't Zelda's fighting form and never will be. She can't ever change that. Zelda fought because of Sheik as is.

 

[Spire]

I love how you guys speak on Sakurai's behalf like he's your best friend. If Sakurai didn't care about sales, why were Sonic and Snake on the back of Brawl? Obviously not to convince people to buy the game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I think I just need to keep saying it but, OOT Impa wasn't all too impressive, SS Impa was. Frankly speaking, she's pretty damn impressive actually and seeing as Sheik wasn't all too great in the first place (in Zelda) why wouldn't they just swap? We had character swaps before... Toon Link - Young Link. This is the same thing, but with revamped moves added in as well.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I love how you guys speak on Sakurai's behalf like he's your best friend. If Sakurai didn't care about sales, why were Sonic and Snake on the back of Brawl? Obviously not to convince people to buy the game.

I don't know, making your own game sell better is a different from making games you didn't make sell better.

There's quite a difference.

You really think this applies when he chose Ice Climbers? Did it have sales off the chart? No, not really.

Sales =/= True Popularity. He doesn't care about the games the character is in, he cares about the character him/her/itself.

Also, putting super-popular characters on the box to sell his OWN game? Makes sense. But that's his own game. Skyward Sword being a great seller only really shows he might take notes from the game, not the characters.

I think I just need to keep saying it but, OOT Impa wasn't all too impressive, SS Impa was. Frankly speaking, she's pretty damn impressive actually and seeing as Sheik wasn't all too great in the first place (in Zelda) why wouldn't they just swap? We had character swaps before... Toon Link - Young Link. This is the same thing, but with revamped moves added in as well.

OOT Impa was widely more impressive than Sheik to me. No, that's a completely different story. Young Link is still a Child Link. Toon Link is a Child Link. They generally have the same moves, abilities, items... Impa replacing Sheik because of this reason? Seriously?

 

[Conviction]

Iblis, ever played Zelda even? Let alone Skyward Sword? How you think you know it better?

Are you dumb?

I played and the beat the game before you even started your little Impa tangent. Don't come at me when your little rants aren't being listened to by the masses. Have you ever thought why? Maybe you are right, people don't like changing the norm, or you could just be ****ing stupid at times.

You know, I liked you at first. I tried to stay being nice to you when this whole thing became as stupid as it is now big as it is now. This is STUPID DIDDY KONG and you remain to play DUMB along with this.

The half-*** trolling attempts I've made in this thread out-class any of this Impa bull**** you've been spewing. You've become hated for something that shouldn't even matter, but I know, the captian should sink with his ship.

You just don't know when to drown huh?

You make claims that Sheik wasn't went out of the way to be added. WHERE'S YOUR PROOF?? To back up this obviously almighty unrefutable logic you continue to foam out of your brain onto the keyboard?

You complain about others talking like they know it all and sheik is a shoe-in...are you stupid...son, you're washed up and a hypocrite, you talk like you know it all and Impa is a shoe-in you are just as bad as your opposition if not worse because you are going against the norm and thus causes you to have burden of proof. YOU base your logic as your interpretation of the roles in games. Do you know what that is? An opinion. And your opinion isn't higher than anyone elses. Get off the high horse, it's fallen over.

Aiyyo man, I didn't know I'd have to all this. I thought you were smarter than that. I want to write pages about all the fallacies you refuse to acknowledge but I don't feel the need to and that I've covered enough as is.

Get Buck.

/come at me