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Well, the Starship Mario is flying in the background, and Galaxy 2 does take place after Galaxy 1, so my guess is that the trees were planted for Smash (maybe to create an atmosphere?).
Maybe, this thread is kinda boring with it just being
,, and .
is the "strongest warrior in the galaxy", better than Kirby. isn't necessarily stronger than. Dang you Shiver Star!
Yeah, the thread stagnating due to deity powers and such is why I created this topic, if you haven't seen it already: http://smashboards.com/threads/canonized-smash-movesets.381451/Maybe, this thread is kinda boring with it just being
Villains? Reality benders are jokes, lets look at out of the ordinary baddies. Better than godly abilities? Like farts, going to be real guns but fire fruit, yourself, tongues. Anything weird really.
still has Rest, but it doesn't have the KO potential it does in Smash, since that's not how it works in Pokemon. This also removes deity powers from the situation, since characters don't really use them in Smash.
My point exactly. The topic at hand is answered. That's why I've created a new thread with something pretty similar to what you described, except with a fresh, new twist on how characters' strength is determined. I won't post the link twice; it's in my previous post if you want to contribute.
I've already discussed
's powers too many times in this thread, so I'll just let the Wiki pages speak for themselves:
Yet with all those DBZ rip off powers he never solos a final boss(deity). He needed Shadows help to beat that lizard thing in SA2, couldn't even solo Metal Overlord,Passed out against Dark Gaia even with Chips help,Needed Silver and Shadow to beat Soloris.I've already discussed
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog#Powers_and_Abilities
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Sonic#Powers_and_Abilities
2 is just a number(Rosalina)
And Rosalina has rebuilt the universe in her own image multiple times (though this image is probably less hers as such and more for the benefit of all who reside in the cosmos, hence, she also raises Lumas to grow up to be what they wanna be). It's literally her job.
Regular Sonic defeats Perfect Chaos (a god), while constantly dealing with his greatest weakness (water) in Sonic Generations.
Rosalina did it multiple times as she's old as hell, Shulk is 18 and did it no problem and he solved everything in one go. It takes over 2000 years for the next game to continue the story which means Shulk bought long lasting peace to the world unlike Rosalina who as you said 'makes the world for everyone' thus allowing Bowsers plans to repeat all the time, of course this is so more games can be made but this cannot be denied.
Already stated that Chaos is weak, he takes the negative energy of chaos emeralds which is in canon weak and his 6th form being his second most powerful loses to Base characters alone.
And how is doing it multiple times a point against her? It means she has experience. IIRC, Shulk actually offed himself in the process (he wished for a world without gods, when he himself is) and as you said, needed a weapon to do it.
"Chaos is an immortal, ageless, god-like creature that seems to be composed entirely of water (coincidentally, Sonic has a weakness of water), but is also said to be concentrated Chaos Emerald energy."
Actually, if you read that link from which that image comes, you'd realize that, "As the speed of the object approaches the speed of sound, the flight Mach number is nearly equal to one, M = 1, and the flow is said to be transonic." Nearly to one, M = 1. It doesn't mean transonic is Mach 1. Mach 1 is 343 m/s, which is the speed of sound. To be near Mach 1 would mean that it's not subsonic (Mach 0.8), or the speed of sound (Mach 1), but somewhere in between, such as Mach 0.9.
"Transonic
Mach = 1.0" (not Mach 0.8 - 1.2)
"Supersonic
Mach > 1.0" (includes Mach 1.000000(etc.)01)
All this time, I was defining "supersonic" as more than Mach 1, and I also said that we can only be sure that she's travelling just above Mach 1, since that's all the use of the word "supersonic" tells us.
Mach 1.(zeros)1 was meant to represent just above the speed of sound, or at the bottom range of "supersonic." Regardless of whether or not you can round it up, 343.0000343 m/s > 343 m/s. The reason it says "nearly equal to one" is because aircraft aren't going to actually travel at exactly Mach 1 (it might travel at 343.0000343 m/s, for example), due to all the variables involved (thruster performance, flaps, etc.). Thus, there is a bit of a margin for error. Otherwise, pretty much no aircraft would fall under the "transonic" category. It wouldn't be Mach 0.9, with this reasoning; more like Mach 0.95-0.99. Also, I don't see where you're getting that Mach 0.8 figure from.
I'm replying on my phone. This will have to be the last comment for today as I'll be busy at work.
Going with the whole weapons thing i guess anyone could do it right? Only vessels of God can wield the Monoda Alvis is a perfect example, Shulk is Zanza's greatest creation thus him having the greatest power the Monado is Shulks power. Shulk still has the power but he would never abuse it so he got rid of Gods, he himself is still a God but he chooses to live as a Homs which in turn saves the whole Xenoblade verse for over 2000 years Rosalina just creates more and more stupid planets but doesn't solve the core of all evil "she repels darkness" yet she fails to destroy the corruption.
The game > you're opinion.
I concur with that but once again you repeat yourself to make your posts look like its got any substance, stop because i already know but feats are feats not my fault shigeru doesn't care about plot and such.
Toad can beat Bowser,Peach can beat Bowser.
Super Emeralds are the 2nd most powerful things in the series, Chaos is immortal but doesn't mean it can't be beaten. Chaos takes in the NEGATIVE ENERGY OF THE CHAOS EMERALDS thus making it weaker and it doesn't achieve ultimate power. The later game proves my point, he couldn't beat Dark Gaia,couldn't beat Biolizard on his own, put Generation Sonic against these 2 and he'll be dead.
Doesn't change the fact that its the second strongest of its evolution line, so it means something you guys are bad at this thing tbh. Already shut down the PC hype and how no matter how you try to fabricate the events he and Rosa are weaker than Shulk.
Hey we're doing it all over again.
Munomario777
There is probably a reason why she cares a wand and care for the lumas.
is most powerful. Without him and Green wouldn't be the savor of the Mushroom Kingdom and take a job as a doctor. Bad things happen when history doesn't go is right direction, examples include: wouldn't be greedy, wouldn't be a coward, wouldn't recognized the Mario crew, never existed if World 1-1 didn't happen, won't have a system to be compatible with, would be with the lumas all her life and be absent in every game ever. can't play damsel, and Smithy could take over the world when he wants to. simply never took power of the Koopas.
I completely understand.
, I have a point that could boost him even higher than he is now, depending on whether or not we want to restrict certain abilities.and , and their ability to reshape the world at will. However, Sonic has taken on something of this nature.Scale it up, since Pikmin are canonically able to go up to 100. Also, thanks for contributingHey we're doing it all over again.
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I think I'll contribute an olimar moveset to the other thread, should I scale him up to 100 pikmin or go with the three given in his moveset?
Shulk doesn't save the whole Xenoblade verse for 2,000 years, merely rids it of gods. He doesn't fix mortal corruption. Hence, Xenoblade Chronicles X (which is the result of a long build up, it didn't just happen suddenly).
I gave you the background of XCX, not my opinion. So the game is better than the game?
Yes it does. "It's the second strongest of it's evolution line" means nothing. It's a statement, with no context. We've given you the context, and it goes against everything you are trying to say.
Munomario777
: Time Eater isn't actually a deity - it's an abomination formed from the leftover energy of the Nega Wisps in Sonic Colours. Eggman says he found Time Eater in it's "primordial form", meaning it's first stage of development. It was basically just a dormant vessel of energy until Eggman did anything with it. Meaning, Sonic didn't defeat a sentient being called Time Eater, he defeated another one of Eggman's creations.
and do with their deity powers, I don't think it would really mean anything, unless we're removing 's deity powers because he removed them himself at the end of Xenoblade. I mean, they both have deity powers; does it really matter what they do with them, in this context?
Rosalina would not reset the universe over a petty scrap, but I also don't think it would ever come to that against any of the cast. Like I said, she still controls gravity, can teleport, fly, summon a rain of shooting stars (i.e. a lethally hot substance), etc.On the subject of what
They keep going until they call it a day and say "this is getting us nowhere, let's sit down and sort this out over a cup of tea".
I think Rosalina (and Luma)'s greatest weakness is that Lumas, in their base state, don't seem to be able to take too much of a beating (since they're noted to be plush in Palutena's Guidance, and they also seem to be pretty lightweight in general), and the Shop Lumas (the ones with the Mushrooms), Hungry Lumas (the ones that turn into planets, galaxies, etc.), and Lumacomètes (the ones that shuffle Prankster Comets) do take a few seconds to feed and transform, so this would be best done from a distance. Also, they use up Star Bits or Coins, and I don't believe Rosalina can summon either of those. She is definitely a very, very powerful fighter, however; just thought these downsides were worth mentioning.Rosalina would not reset the universe over a petty scrap, but I also don't think it would ever come to that against any of the cast. Like I said, she still controls gravity, can teleport, fly, summon a rain of shooting stars (i.e. a lethally hot substance), etc.
And like you said before, the character in Smash is, technically, Rosalina & Luma. So we actually should consider what they bring to the table for her:
-Lumas can transform into health expanding mushrooms, as well as 1-Up Mushrooms. Even if you assume Rosalina to be mortal, the Lumas could give her a stock of extra lives and heal her.
-Lumas can direct Prankster Comets.
-Lumas can become planets, galaxies, Power Stars, Grand Stars, Comets, etc, all of which could be utilised by Rosalina (for example, a Power Star provides her with a Final Smash in Smash Bros, and in Smash Bros, it's actually the strongest Final Smash by far in terms of raw damage output potential - if you could use it against the Hands, you could nearly one-shot them).
-They can fight hand to hand and are actually quite strong (even Palutena highlights this in Smash).
-Rosalina can summon all kinds of Lumas at will from all across the cosmos:
So basically, Rosalina is essentially invincible even if you assume she has no deity powers and is mortal - the Lumas can grant her effective immortality anyway, and they can offer so much offensive power too.
Well, I don't think any of the top 3 has really been shown to be 100% invincible;
can be damaged in Xenoblade, and wasn't shown being in a life-threatening situation in his god form, so there's no proof that he is invincible, uses the standard health/damage system in 3D World (her latest appearance barring Mario Kart, Smash, and other spinoffs), and even 's Super Sonic form is susceptible to being crushed, falling into bottomless pits (except he can fly), and drowning in most of his appearances.
yeah that always bugged me, how do you drown underwater when you can survive in the vacuum of space?even
Star Bits are literally everywhere though. They rain down on top of random planets all of the time, and since Rosalina definitely can control Stars, that would include Star Bits. Also Lumas seem to be able to generate Star Bits themselves.
) is a Pokémon that according to the Pokédex: "Its body has been compressed deep under the ground. As a result, it is even harder than a diamond.", but , when mega-evolved into Mega-Mewtwo-Y, can knock out a Steelix easily, look for yourself: 252+ SpA Mega Mewtwo Y Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Steelix: 366-432 (103.3 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO (If you don't know what are those numbers, they are EVs, they basically add more oomf to the stats, though I made there boosts equal by maxing Mewtwo's Special Attack and maxing Steelix's HP and Special Defense.) can "fly at Mach 2 speed, seeking prey", and Mega-Pidgeot get's a speed boost, so is even faster. Now, for comparison, Mega-Pidgeot has base 121 speed and Mega-Mewtwo-Y has base 140, so M-M2-Y is faster than Mach 2 speed) entry's to the Pokédex mention a lot his tail, with entries like "It uses its powerful tail in battle to smash, constrict, then break the prey's bones.","Its tail is thick and powerful. If it binds an enemy, it can snap the victim's spine quite easily." and "One swing of its mighty tail can snap a telephone pole as if it were a matchstick.", but how does it fair against Mewtwo?
Fair point, but I think of the Star Bits as more of a "fuel" rather than a currency, since they undergo a physical transformation, and IIRC, they mention they "feel" like they're about to...
Well Mario wouldn't be much of a platforming hero if he did not have to pay any...small fees...Fair point, but I think of the Star Bits as more of a "fuel" rather than a currency, since they undergo a physical transformation, and IIRC, they mention they "feel" like they're about to...
TRANSFOOOOORM!
Also, I would think Rosalina would have put in a good word for Mario, or if not, the Lumas probably wouldn't be taking advantage of the guy who was getting their power stars back
In Galaxy 1, the ones that were in the Observatory still required Mario to feed them to form the galaxies.Well Mario wouldn't be much of a platforming hero if he did not have to pay any...small fees...
But in all seriousness, the Lumas were all over the universe. Not all of them reside on the Observatory, and that's where Rosalina resided. So she didn't get to spread any word.
She probably easily could have, but again, gameplay-story segregation.
If the ones in the Observatory, that create whole galaxies, require less Star Bits than the ones who make planets, then that's definitive proof of it being currency. Basic project management logic will tell you that to make something bigger, you need more resources, and a galaxy is definitely bigger than a planet. If it were fuel, the ones who require galaxies would require more.
Oops, that was meant to say "less." Edited. The Lumas might be programmed to enjoy Star Bits, since they get energy from them, similar to how we humans enjoy eating healthy foods. Also, the resource thing is my point exactly. The Lumas need more fuel to make galaxies, which usually consist of multiple planets.If the ones in the Observatory, that create whole galaxies, require less Star Bits than the ones who make planets, then that's definitive proof of it being currency. Basic project management logic will tell you that to make something bigger, you need more resources, and a galaxy is definitely bigger than a planet. If it were fuel, the ones who require galaxies would require more.
Should also be noted that Star Bits are merely a Luma's favourite food, not their only food:
So no, Star Bits actually definitely not fuel. They are cocaine to the Lumas.
Your Wikipedia reference contradicted the NASA definitions of the words. NASA > Wikipedia. A book on aeronautics (air travel) doesn't have authority on the running speed of a space suit-equipped human being, especially when NASA and the English language contradict it. Samus is not a plane. She is a human being in a specially-equipped space suit, running on the ground.
Look at the image I added to my post.
Think about it. Why do people get money? To trade it. The Lumas kind of ate it, so that's out of the question. Food is a good method of pay, maybe not in our society, but it could be accepted as the standard in the Lumas' society. Note how he says "morsels." You wouldn't eat currency. You would eat food, which is a source of energy. Sure, they act as a currency gameplay-wise, but that doesn't mean the Lumas don't consume them for energy. I'd imagine dessert (they taste sweet like honey and it's their favorite food) would be a "privilege" to the Lumas, and come to think of it, the transformation process sort of resembles a sugar rush: transforming (the energy burst) and then turning into a stationary galaxy/planet (the "tired out" period afterwards).