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Considering canon events, Ness gains the power of the Earth and defeats the embodiment of evil.
If you say so. My only soiree with Mother is through Chuggaaconroy, so all I know about is Ness's potential canonical power.
Having played Mother 2 and Mother 3 EXTENSIVELY, I can with 100% confidence say that Ness is canonically stronger than Lucas is, and the list of Ness's feats are a mile high. I mean, I don't think that Lucas is a slouch in the power department, but in a fight between Ness and Lucas, I'd give the odds to Ness by a considerable amount.
If you actually watch that whole thing that explosion is not the result of the Falcon Punch. It's something else entirely.
So, what was it? Btw, I'm going to arrange the characters as soon as I get to my computer, I'm too lazy to do that on my Wii U
The battle doesn't start until both pokemon are out, in this case the other fighter will have to take that role. Is it really fair to throw him down to D or C tier because of this, he has more potential than that.
Certainly true, but Jigglypuff's genuine lack of power and speed would mean that it likely wouldn't be able to legitimately kill anything while it's sleeping anyway.
If pt only has his brawl pokemon, then Mario only gets his brawl powerups and so on. I feel he should get all gen 1-2 pokemon because he's red.
If pt only has his brawl pokemon, then Mario only gets his brawl powerups and so on. I feel he should get all gen 1-2 pokemon because he's red.
Olimar can't fight for himself without his pikmin and Rosalina is weak without her lumas. Who says that pokemon trainer can't send out his pokemon before the battle starts? This isn't a pokemon battle, it's a death battle. He could also tell his pokemon what move or strategy to use before the battle starts. Anyways, if this is Red, we should give him only gen 1 pokemon. Red only got that Espeon by evolving it, not catching from Johto. He should be able to swap out Charizard, Squirtle, and Ivysaur. The Psychic duo and legendary birds should be the biggest threats. Any pokemon from gen 1 that evolves in later generations should be counted as possible choices. So far red has been to Johto, Kanto, and Unova, so he should be able to evolve magneton into magnezone. We can't count the smash bros canon, so Pokemon Trainer is most likely the world of trophies version of Red, just like Link, Mario, Pit, and Snake in the subspace emissary are not the real ones. The anime shouldn't be used as a reference. Humans in the anime are more resilient to the elements, the games humans might be more susceptible to these attacks. Anyways, if Red trained his body and mind, then he would be able to be much more of a threat. Humans in the pokemon world are stronger than humans from most other worlds, since they are technically pokemon (Fighting/Psychic). But that doesn't count because he never trained in those areas and I really should have never brought up such an irrelevant argument.
Ness has power, but isn't alone during his own endeavors. He's closer to low but has his PK abilities which puts him into the Mid section. Lucas I assume has similar abilities so gets put into the same category.
To my knowledge, Rosalina and her Lumas and olimar and his pikmin follow them around so they don't have to worry about that. I wasn't aware that only red gets prep time? Why doesn't anyone else get that luxury? Regardless, in canon he has to yell out what move he wants his pokemon to do out of a small number of choices. Also, since it's a death battle and rules are off the table ( except for the prep time you gave red for whatever stupid reason) they can immediately go for red who is pretty weak compared to his actual pokemon. He gets one-shotted by a good portion of the roster. They are trying to defeat red. Not arceus or blastoise or whoever he is using.
Humans in the Pokemon world have been shown to have great durability.
Nice points. I remember in silver that a team rocked goon took a hyperbeam from lances dragonite and got knocked out. If we are talking anime, it is usually played for comedic effect when pikachu shocks ash's group or whatever. I don't think this will apply to people with slashing capabilities. I was thinking brawl to where it was one on one. I didn't consider your third point. I guess he has to watch out for people who are adept with swords or slashing weapons who also have massive speed.
I never said that no one else gets prep time.
You implied it by saying something about how red gets time to come up with a strategy while mentioning nothing about the other characters getting that luxury. Regardless, I like how you laid the new rules out and I agree with it.
I apologize if I indirectly said that. I really meant that if Red/Pokemon Trainer had a pokemon outside of their pokeball that could sense any danger, then he would have time to prepare for the incoming enemy, but that would really only matter depending on how we set up a battle. If Red/Pokemon Trainer could only send a pokemon after the battle has started, then he would be an easy kill for many competing characters. If he can have his pokemon out before, then he could get a couple more wins. He should also be able to send out more than one pokemon out at a time, the most should be his limit, six. Red/Pokemon Trainer has been known to have extremely good bonds with his pokemon, they are his friends. If he sends a pokemon out and is being targeted, depending on the relationship the pokemon has with the trainer, the pokemon could either not care or defend him/her at all costs. Some pokemon would risk their lives to protect their trainers. Red/Pokemon Trainer has good bonds with them and they will obey a command without hesitation and act for themselves in their trainers interest if he/her is incapable of making commands. Red should be able to defeat most bottom tier characters. Red could have time to prepare depending on the location and pokemon, if that pokemon is not inside their pokeball.
Sm4sh Charizard can Mega Evolve, so I'd argue that it would beat Red's Charizard.
Apology accepted man. I was wrong about some stuff as well. Would plasma/light attacks from samus and MM do damage to ganondorf btw?
Mmk. What I already have is just an enormous file as it is (some several pages already), so I'll post it when I get it done. It's gonna be friggin' massive.
Thing is, the Star Rod doesn't utilize holy energy. Nothing I can find about the Star Rod hints at it being holy. It just shoots stars. If we assume those stars are any kind of energy that's not, y'know, plasma, then it's probably pure light energy in the basic shape of a star, which DOES hurt Ganondorf. Funnily enough, the Master Sword makes no mention of it being legitimately holy. It IS forged by divinity, which might explain why evil can't touch it and it's considered 'The Sword of Evil's Bane', but for the most part, everything points at the blade simply being magical in nature and divinely enchanted to specifically ward away evil.
Samus's Plasma Beam legitimately seems to be magnetically generated plasma utilizing hydrogen isotopes, and the results are weaponized. Holy. Crap. So, what does the Metroid games say about the Plasma Beam?
The Chozo were so advanced they figured out a way to weaponize PLASMA. Technically, Samus might be one of the strongest legitimate contender for the number one spot.
So, there you have it. The list of characters in Smash that can feasibly AT LEAST harm Ganon/Ganondorf in some kind of capacity, if not kill him outright:
Canonically wild pokemon cannot mega evolve without a trainer. We're not using smash, we're using characters respective games.
