Who's Canonically the Strongest Character in Smash?

[Luco]

How is Ness>Mewtwo
if Mewtwo,
based on Giegue, who is invincible (except for love) should be, well stronger?
Does that mean Ness can defeat the invincible?


Edit: For people with no comprehension skills... I made it easier to understand

Mewtwo isn't really based around being invincible, he's just hella strong.

Ness is basically Akira for kids. :3

 

[Gameboi834]

Ima say it again.

YALL DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WII FIT TRAINER.

Can you stop saying it? You're literally adding zilch to the discussion.

I would just like to point out that Sonic habitually destroys robots, so he should outrank Mega Man. Also, many of the Mario characters can break solid break with their hands.

 

[ImaClubYou]

Can you stop saying it? You're literally adding zilch to the discussion.

Bro. You don't know about the Wii Fit Trainer.

 

[Rabbattack]

Ima say it again.

YALL DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WII FIT TRAINER.

She is a living fitness instructor manikin. Although she can summon yoga poses and blast you with the power of the sun, thats nothing compared to the power, speed, and accomplishments of the other characters.

 

[Rymi]

Gannondorf if it has to be playable but taboo if not

 

[ImaClubYou]

She is a living fitness instructor manikin. Although she can summon yoga poses and blast you with the power of the sun, thats nothing compared to the power, speed, and accomplishments of the other characters.

She is the leading success of the Wii.

In other words you can call it mind control over people who believe they can lose weight through this game.

 

[Rabbattack]

Sonic beats Megaman. Pit beats Ganon with a weapon blessed by a god. little Mac has beat Donkey Kong before and can do it again, he is higher than him. Sheik has more physical power, weapons, and agility than Wii Fit Trainer. Kirby can crack his planet in half and use the powers of all the other fighters, no way is he going to be rank A. Link always beats Ganon, even ten year old Link on the NES beat him without Zeldas help. yoshi has beat Bowser before. Donkey Kong can drop the moon.

 

[VictoriaYr]

Concerning Wii Fit Trainer... does the fact that I can do more push-ups than him/her automatically make them weaker than...you know, anyone who's beaten the push up challenge in Wii fit?

 

[Erimir]

Kirby can [...] use the powers of all the other fighters

Canonically, Kirby is 8 inches tall, and all of his enemies are similarly much smaller.

Has Kirby been shown canonically to be able to inhale and absorb powers from enemies that are at 8-12 times his height?

I mean, he can't typically inhale the bosses in his games, which are probably only like 3 feet tall, right?

 

[Rabbattack]

Canonically, Kirby is 8 inches tall, and all of his enemies are similarly much smaller.

Has Kirby been shown canonically to be able to inhale and absorb powers from enemies that are at 8-12 times his height?

I mean, he can't typically inhale the bosses in his games, which are probably only like 3 feet tall, right?

He has sucked up all the smash fighters already before.

 

[Ravio_Yo]

Also people above brought up that Rosalina has access to only one Luma at a time in Smash, but keep in mind that CANONICALLY she has an entire army of the buggers.

Well, if we're including armies, we know Bowser would win that battle. And Mewtwo just got even more OP.

 

[Rabbattack]

Well, if we're including armies, we know Bowser would win that battle. And Mewtwo just got even more OP.

Bowser can't use his soldiers because they haven't appeared playable along side him in smash, Rosalina has and therefore can use as many lumas as she wants.

 

[Gameboi834]

He has sucked up all the smash fighters already before.

Not canonically.

 

[Rabbattack]

Not canonically.

Strongest character in smash? If he can do it in smash then he can do it anywhere. Should we say Fox, Wolf, and Falco can't use their special moves then?

 

[Gameboi834]

Strongest character in smash? If he can do it in smash then he can do it anywhere. Should we say Fox, Wolf, and Falco can't use their special moves then?

I would say so, but Kirby's case is simply a case of size. If Kirby were canonically big enough to suck up the other characters then yes, it would be considered, but he simply isn't. Whether or not the Star Animals can use their specials (besides the blaster and maybe deflector) are debatable since they can't use them canonically.

 

[Ravio_Yo]

Bowser can't use his soldiers because they haven't appeared playable along side him in smash, Rosalina has and therefore can use as many lumas as she wants.

So Bowser can't use any of his army because they didn't fight with him in Smash, but having one Luma means Rosalina can have all the Lumas ever? That doesn't make any sense. If we're limiting Bowser because of his Smash abilities, we should do the same to Rosalina.

 

[Erimir]

He has sucked up all the smash fighters already before.

"Canonically" means in his own series.

Smash is not part of the Kirby canon.

 

[kataridragon]

I'm still on the side of sonic being one of the most canonically powerful characters. Invincibility, invulnerability, teleportation, super speed, time stop, homing energy blast, and touch damage, can live in space...somehow??, plus he has officially obtained the triforce.

I'm not sure you can get more OP then that.

The Ganondorf argument is tired. He is one of the weakest magic wielding characters despite wielding magic.

 

[josh bones]

Supersonicicus runs out when heicus loses all his ringsicus, just sayinicus

 

[Rabbattack]

So Bowser can't use any of his army because they didn't fight with him in Smash, but having one Luma means Rosalina can have all the Lumas ever? That doesn't make any sense. If we're limiting Bowser because of his Smash abilities, we should do the same to Rosalina.

Alright then, Rosalina can only use one. I'm just blurting out irrelevant statements.

"Canonically" means in his own series.

Smash is not part of the Kirby canon.

Arguing over canon is just stupid. What makes one game canon and another noncanon. The ability for Nintendo characters to gather all in one place and fight makes sense considering all the other crazy nonsense they do in their games(Time travelling, Space travelling, Teleporting).

 

[Twewy]

Canonically, Kirby is 8 inches tall, and all of his enemies are similarly much smaller.

Has Kirby been shown canonically to be able to inhale and absorb powers from enemies that are at 8-12 times his height?

I mean, he can't typically inhale the bosses in his games, which are probably only like 3 feet tall, right?

Kirby Triple Deluxe. Just sayin'.

 

[Rabbattack]

Mega man is extremely weak compared to others. Mario, Lucas, Kirby, Sonic, Samus, Link, and Fox have all beaten robots or similar things before. Mega man is not a challenge.

 

[josh bones]

Mega man is extremely weak compared to others. Mario, Lucas, Kirby, Sonic, Samus, Link, and Fox have all beaten robots or similar things before. Mega man is not a challenge.

That's just dumb, I can say, "Link beat humans, therefore all humans are weak to link. Rock has the abilities of every robot master he defeated. He s one of the most versatile characters. Call me when you get a good argumenticus

 

[Eight Melodies]

Megaman's pretty strong in his own right, but compared to a lot of other characters in this game, he's not all that great.

Heck, since X is in Classic's Final Smash, I'd rather discuss him. He's a serious contender.

 

[josh bones]

Megaman's pretty strong in his own right, but compared to a lot of other characters in this game, he's not all that great.

Heck, since X is in Classic's Final Smash, I'd rather discuss him. He's a serious contender.

He's not playableicus though

 

[WrappedInBlack]

Sonic... he defeats gods like every other day.

 

[Ravio_Yo]

Sonic... he defeats gods like every other day.

"Gods" isn't exactly a consistent term. And even so, plenty of other characters on this list do, too.

 

[Erimir]

Arguing over canon is just stupid. What makes one game canon and another noncanon.

Well, considering the thread says "canonically" it seems relevant.

And it's pretty obvious that Smash Bros is not canon. If we can agree on anything about canon, that should be number one. If Smash is canon, then the answer is obvious: Meta Knight, Fox, Falco and Pikachu are our only contenders, as they're the best characters in the three previous Smash games, and in those games they directly fight against the characters in question.

Or we could just go by which characters have the strongest moves, in which case it would be Ganondorf, Dedede and Bowser as the heaviest hitters.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Mega man is extremely weak compared to others. Mario, Lucas, Kirby, Sonic, Samus, Link, and Fox have all beaten robots or similar things before. Mega man is not a challenge.

Well, mega man was strong enough to hold a god damn castle up, so he at least deserves some consideration
http://youtu.be/s-7xneX9ZyY?t=28s

 

[Twewy]

Rock has the abilities of every robot master he defeated.

Doesn't he get rid of them at the end of every game though? I mean, Metal Blade would've made 3-10 a cakewalk.

 

[_Sheik]

Mega man is extremely weak compared to others. Mario, Lucas, Kirby, Sonic, Samus, Link, and Fox have all beaten robots or similar things before. Mega man is not a challenge.

This is Mega Man we're talking about, tho.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Doesn't he get rid of them at the end of every game though? I mean, Metal Blade would've made 3-10 a cakewalk.

Well, I'm pretty sure he could use more than 8 in Wily Wars (I think, never actually played that one), and he's using weapons he learned before in our Smash Bros games. Basically, he doesn't reuse old weapons in the new games for OBVIOUS reasons, but there's nothing saying he doesn't have them at his disposal in a general fight. How do you even pick which weapons he gets anyway? Go by Mega Man 10 weapons or something? =.=

So yeah, Mega Man's collection of weapons makes him a diverse and pretty unpredictable fighter. He may not have what other characters have in pure strength or mobility or any of that **** but he has stuff like time stops, Toad Man's weapon, and the everpresent Metal Blade at his disposal. So basically he's pretty high in the ranks if we judge by the same standards Death Battle would.

Still, I'd vote Ganondorf, Kirby (his canon size is the main thing that hurts him), maybe Ness or Lucas for one of the higher spots, people like that for the strongest canon.

 

[Rabbattack]

Well, considering the thread says "canonically" it seems relevant.

And it's pretty obvious that Smash Bros is not canon. If we can agree on anything about canon, that should be number one. If Smash is canon, then the answer is obvious: Meta Knight, Fox, Falco and Pikachu are our only contenders, as they're the best characters in the three previous Smash games, and in those games they directly fight against the characters in question.

Or we could just go by which characters have the strongest moves, in which case it would be Ganondorf, Dedede and Bowser as the heaviest hitters.

Why would you take game mechanics into consideration. As said before, are you going to give Mario 999 1-Ups just because of game mechanics. You can't put tiers into consideration.

The split timeline in Zelda has a dead Link path, who says Link couldn't have fought other characters in one of those three or another. Although this argument can backfire on me I'm still including this. Don't try to say something like, does that mean we can add super saiyan Link? If it happened in one game then it did happen, somewhere, but in another split timeline. Canon is an irrelevant argument because you insist that there is no alternate route or path for a video game world to take. Zelda has three known so far, this means Nintendo has put this in their game. For every action you take another parallel universe is created for the action you did not take. I suck at explaining, go check out game theory.

That's just dumb, I can say, "Link beat humans, therefore all humans are weak to link. Rock has the abilities of every robot master he defeated. He s one of the most versatile characters. Call me when you get a good argumenticus

I never said Sonic or those other characters can beat all robots, I'm just saying that those characters have beaten tougher things than Megarockman. 8-bit Megaman is a weak robot compared the others that our smash bros have beaten. Mega man is not the weakest and I understand this.

 

[josh bones]

Strongest Non ganon character, icus
Weakest Character, icus
Agree, disagree?

 

[Rabbattack]

Strongest Non ganon character, icus
Weakest Character, icus
Agree, disagree?

Ganon is not that powerful, he's just invulnerable to any attack that's not light based or blessed by a god. If we want to make progress on this thread how about we focus on one character at a time and then list who beats them or not. After all the characters are listed we could just take those points into consideration in the final list by who has the least losses or most wins. Lets take the fun out of this thread together! For example...

Villager
Zelda
Ganondorf
Wins-
-Link-
Loses-
Mario
Sonic
Kirby
Shrek

Also, in animal crossing new leaf Villager can have the master sword as item. This could be a replica, but considering the fact that touching a super star makes him glow challenges this argument. He can also grow by eating a mushroom. But then again, a real super star and super mushroom shouldn't be hard to imagine in the animal crossing compared to a second holy sword. Also, those Mario items are used in smash so everyone has equal rights to use it. But then again, we exclude smash items because this is a battle that only allows some characters to have partners and use items that they have used in or can use in their game. An example of can use is Fire Emblem. In the game one unit can use many different types of weapons for there class, untouched weapons in the convoy that they could use should be considered as possible weapons on this thread.

For Fire Emblem characters they should only use weapons that their class can use, with a few exceptions.

Why do I disprove my own argument? Because if I get to it first then no one can humiliate me about it and I won't have to experience the taste of defeat.

 

[Gameboi834]

Someone needs to make a canon tier list for each character, but based on strength/match-ups rather than Smash match-ups.

 

[Erimir]

Why would you take game mechanics into consideration. As said before, are you going to give Mario 999 1-Ups just because of game mechanics. You can't put tiers into consideration.

If Kirby's ability to inhale and steal powers from all the other fighters counts because of Smash Bros, then why wouldn't the fact that Ganondorf, Bowser and Dedede have the strongest attacks in Smash count?

I'm not saying tiers should count, I'm saying you're being inconsistent. Obviously.

I suck at explaining, go check out game theory.

Yada yada yada. Game Theory has nothing to do with it. Smash is not canon. The entire point of the thread is to ask who is the strongest outside of Smash and within their own universe. That's why the OP used the term "canonically".

Otherwise you're basically saying that that term has no meaning, whatsoever.

 

[Eight Melodies]

He's not playableicus though

I know, but he'd just be more interesting to talk about. He's OP as all hades.

 

[Rabbattack]

If Kirby's ability to inhale and steal powers from all the other fighters counts because of Smash Bros, then why wouldn't the fact that Ganondorf, Bowser and Dedede have the strongest attacks in Smash count?

I'm not saying tiers should count, I'm saying you're being inconsistent. Obviously.
Yada yada yada. Game Theory has nothing to do with it. Smash is not canon. The entire point of the thread is to ask who is the strongest outside of Smash and within their own universe. That's why the OP used the term "canonically".

Otherwise you're basically saying that that term has no meaning, whatsoever.

The term has no meaning. What do you mean it has nothing to do with it? I said go check it out if you want a better explanation on what I mean and think about canon, not that this is the definite answer. By believing in canon you think that there is one route for a series to go timeline wise, no splits or alternate paths for it to go. Kirby has sucked up bigger things in his games, Kirby is known to suck up anything no matter the size, It's not just a game mechanic. I could also say Kirby not being able to suck up mini bosses is a game mechanic too! HAHAHA! You can use canon if you want, I don't like that word and won't use it.

 

[kataridragon]

Well, mega man was strong enough to hold a god damn castle up, so he at least deserves some consideration
http://youtu.be/s-7xneX9ZyY?t=28s

Wow this adds some "strength" to the megaman argument ;p

To bad he gets crushed 99% of the other times....

MEGAMAN DOES NOT HAVE EFFECTIVE TIME STOP ABILITY!!!!!
NO NO NO! This is a misconception of his abilities.