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Reaction time is key there though. She still has of consciously choose to freeze time, right? So if Sonic is approaching at Mach speed, it's very possible he'll hit her before she can activate Witch Time.
That depends if she has accessories, as one actually activates Witch Time at the cost of magic iirc
Considering how many impressive feats every character has, you're gonna need to explain this
This isn't what I meant with explanations. I meant "What does OoT Link have and what has he done to prove he can win?"
But Mario isn't slow either. He's surprisingly athletic and has always been well balanced in that regard. Plus he's strong, he's thrown Bowser around by the tail without needed Gauntlets of some sort
Same could be said for Link, who in OoT, is actually pretty slow in comparison to Mario and considerably less athletic. Mario could easily counter attack here too. But the point of this thread isn't about theoretical fights, but rather, who is the strongest based on statistics and feats? Sorry if I come across as too rude btw
Wasn't the Bunny Hood entirely cosmetic in OoT? Not to mention only Young Link could wear it in that game
My mistake, sorry
Diddy Kong and Ivysaur where considered pretty dangerous I remember. There where also huge debates on how electricity would work with Pikachu and how potent it's volts would be.; *Goes Mega Mewtwo X* Calm Mind +Sp. Atk + Sp.Def (100% HP); PSI Rockin; (65~70% HP) Safeguard -5 turns no status-; Forward Smash!: Recover (roughly same amount of HP as before taking a bat to the face); PSI Shield (3 attacks half damage); Calm Mind + Sp. Atk +Sp. Def both stats now doubled; Forward Smash!; (HP: 55~60%) Recover (HP: 100%); PSI Rockin; (HP; 70%) Psy Strike; (40~45% HP) PSI Life Up Y (HP: 100%) PSI Shield -2/3; Calm Mind -Safe Guard effect over; PSI Paralysis; *crippled on Pokemon terms for 2 turns* Paralysis can't move (being generous); Bat in face; (50% HP) Recover (100% HP) no longer paralysed- so outspeed Ness yet again; Psy Strike; (HP: 25% - PSI Shield 1/3) Psi Lifeup Y (HP: 100%); Psy Strike; (HP: 25% PSI Shield broken)
Relatively minor, but reading this again I noticed a small error.In the RPG games, Mario is pretty powerful. I'm not too sure how he would handle Link's magic, but that doesn't last forever either. Especially when Link also needs magic to fire his stronger arrows. Link's slashes could be avoided with jumping but not forever I assume.
Yet Mario also has an arsenal of items, and one that makes him pretty powerful in this exact matchup is the Mega Mushroom. Yet Mario should first survive a barrage of arrows, and Link's sword. If Link's magic runs out, I could see Mario winning easily. I think he would beat Twilight Princess Link easily for example.
Against Ike would be tricky though, as Ike has taken down barriers with his sword before. Ike has taken on the Goddess of his universe, so I could see him, at his strongest, being able to pass Link's magic. Aether and sword projectile could also prove hard for Link to handle. Ike is no pushover. All would depend on if Ike's Ragnell can bypass Nayru's Love. Aether could potentially break it I'd say. If we assume both wouldn't use healing items out of 'honor', it could be very close.
Mewtwo would beat Ocarina of Time Link pretty badly however. It's possible for Link to beat him due to Mewtwo's durability, but his moves and telekinesis by pass Link's Nayru's Love, and he could also make Link unable to use it at all. Doubt a shield is gonna be able to resist psychic attacks, as they defy grafity making psychics always a league of their own. Link would beat Level 70 Wild Mewtwo, but not at his full potential.
Samus has clear fire power advantage, and has an arsenal that easily challenges Link's. Am not so sure that it's an easy win for Link at all, Samus has Speed Boost too for example. Which would easily make her able to strike Link if he needs to say, drink a potion or whatever else leaves him open. He won't easily hit her with the hammer. I think mostly would be Light Arrows vs beams. But Light Arrows drain Link's magic quickly.
How would OOT Ganondorf fare against these characters I wonder? I've personally always considered Mewtwo, Samus, Ganondorf and Ness the strongest.
There where people before who also fiercly argued for Samus, Sonic and Lucas. I vouched mostly for Mewtwo, Ike and Donkey Kong, as nobody had much knowlegde about what they could do. The Samus debater was also giving us physics lessons on how overpowered Samus actually is.
There was even a thread called 'Who's the deadliest Brawler' which had characters pit off against each other based on a real life setting. Was pretty humorous as many characters simply would struggle with their oversized body parts
Anyway, I still say Mewtwo is Top Tier, but he's durability wise pretty beatable. I think characters and DK and Ike for example have enough strenght to be able to defeat him, but the point is, they won't last against anything Mewtwo can dish out, and he can do it faster. Mewtwo vs Ness debates where also pretty damn intense, and am saddened that Ness isn't discussed much more.
Cause Ness is also easily one of the strongest fighters, he's got insanely strong PSI attacks and is incredibly durable. Before Mega Evolutions where a thing, I could see many arguements for Ness beating Mewtwo. PSI Lifeup for example and Ness' extreme durability due to absorbing the Earth's essence.. it'll make it hard for Mewtwo to land the finishing blow on Ness. But likewise, Mewtwo can stall with Calm Mind and Recover, plus Special Defense and Special Attack based EVs / Nature. Ness's psychic attacks wouldn't maybe due much damage after Calm Mind but he's also got physical attacks, and on paper status crippling moves, as PK Flash and Paralysis but in Earthbound these are mostly ineffective against enemies on the same level of PSI power as Ness, or surpassing them. I'm assuming Mewtwo is at least as strong as the stronger Starmen who resist these attacks easily, otherwise there's still Safeguard.
If we take the mechanics of both games a little out of the question, like Ness with his mortal damage, and Mewtwo restricted to 4 moves only, there could be a far more fair fight. I could make a 4 Moves moveset for Mewtwo to challenge Ness, but some moves (especially Mewtwo learns by leveling up) don't make sense to just 'forget' especially as other media strongly disagrees with this Pokemon game mechanic. As say, Pokken, Smash and the movies and tv show / anime.
Since both Pokemon and Earthbound are turn-based however, I could see a scenario ending up like this;
Now he's either going to use PK Flash, aim for a insta kill that only works on enemies with no psychic abilities themselves, and it also is ineffective against bosses.. so doubt it's a good option. It could give Mewtwo a status effect like 'crying' which means lower chance of hitting, but Ness is pretty much stuck anyway. A physical attack is not gonna cut it, and his offensive PSI is also ineffective. Paralysis spam could give it more stall, but Mewtwo's offenses are now so high that any direct hit means a KO, he could even throw another 2 Calm Minds in to ensure a OHKO. As 6 Calm Minds would tripple the base power of Mewtwo's Special stats.
I chosen Mega Mewtwo X on purpose for the extra defense and HP to endure Ness' bat attacks. I ignored critical hits on both sides, as a critical hit from either side would mean the end. That means it's already pretty even. But without them, Mewtwo wins due to stalling advantages. And in all honesty, Mega Mewtwo X should be able to break Ness's PSI Shield with a Brick Break attack. Amnesia could also be used in the first move to give Mewtwo's Special Defense such a boost that Ness could do nothing but physically attack. Bulk Up could then be used to gain the physical advantage by buffs, if Mewtwo X not already stops Ness's physical stats, which am pretty certain he does. The only real challenge for Mewtwo is Ness' insane HP and PSI Lifeup. Then again, Mewtwo also has stuff as Barrier, Light Shield, Guard Swap, Future Sight and even Disable. If Mewtwo just Disables the PSI Lifeup, it's already over. And even if Ness's PSI Rockin for example would mean a OHKO against Mewtwo, Mewtwo still has Me First, that lets him use PSI Rockin before Ness, at 1.5x the power. So that's also pretty much a OHKO against Ness, however durable he is.
Mega Mewtwo Y could be beaten with some luck due to lower defenses but normal Mewtwo has more durability and with the useage of an item, as Leftover or Life Orb would also make an enourmous change in how the battle would look. I also think he should be able to use all the moves he naturally learns by leveling up, at the very least. I assume he's intelligent enough to learn the TM moves on his own, but he doesn't really need them in the matchup here frankly. Outside of Pokemon it's not too important to have elemental coverage, and that's mostly what Mewtwo needs TMs for. Given that, the most fair match I could envision is Mega Mewtwo Y vs Ness. I could do that one next up.
If we go classic and use RBY Mewtwo however, it would be over in far less time, as Amnesia doubled both Mewtwo's power and ressistance of psychic attacks. There would be no Psy Strike, but it's not even needed. Barrier, Recover, Amnesia, Psychic, 4 moves, and a sure win for Mewtwo even by game restrictions.
Ness' s paralysis doesnt last the whole fight
Gotcha. Wasn't sure if you were using the EarthBound type of paralysis because it was used by Ness, or the Pokémon type of paralysis since it was used on Mewtwo.
Yeah am sure that if weaker Eartbbound enemies can escape paralysis from Ness easily then so could Mewtwo. Especially when equipped against him. Ness is duarable and a psychic himself, so it's one of the matchups it takes Mewtwo longer to take someone down. But effeciently.Gotcha. Wasn't sure if you were using the EarthBound type of paralysis because it was used by Ness, or the Pokémon type of paralysis since it was used on Mewtwo.
Mewtwo shouldn't have much trouble with Samus unless she can bypass his Hax abilities
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** (Hero of Time) (Majora's Mask)*(If the above picture doesn't load, it's of Dynomighty from Wario World)The strongest character? Wario.
Wario can lift this thing up and toss it clear across the room. Without using power-ups (so no, Fighter Kirby's Megaton Punch doesn't count).
Though DK has been shown to punch the moon down, so that may be a tough call.
These 39 pages of arguments? They're about who's the most powerful, not who's the strongest like the title asks.
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I could probably toss something together, but since I'm not equally knowledgeable on every series, so someone else may need to fill in some things I miss.
You guys have probably been on here enough to form an opinion about the strength of each character. You should all make tier lists, since I feel we're almost at a consensus.
Warning: some spoilers for relevant games.****
This made me laugh so freaking much.
Shamelessly quoting my own post to generate attention as I spend a lot of time on this ****.I could make a tier list sure. But wouldnt call it the consensus yet, cause we're not all the knowledge there is about this subject. We're simply the only ones left. I miss a lot of old faces here who had great arguements for certain characters.
If I had my saying I'd make my tier list like this:
SS Tier: Basically untouchable by most of the cast.
Am not too knowledgeable about Bayonetta however. I've done a little research and it seems she belongs somewhere high. Not sure how she'd fare against the others here, but am sure she beats anyone below.
Mewtwo, Samus and Sonic also stomp the rest below easily and each would give the other a tough time. Personally I say Mewtwo beats the others, but it's all very close.
Some further explanation why these characters deserve SS Tier placement:
Regular Mewtwo alone deserves a placement over the rest purely because of his natural learned moveset. It just gives him so much to work with, he easily hacks his place up here with that alone. Psychic powers are mostly always regarded as the most powerful and useful 'super power' in just about any universe. Mewtwo proofs why. And this is with careful consideration. First of all, he's extremely adaptable and intelligent. So that gives an edge.
But with given restrictions, Mewtwo isn't as flexible as it looks like. Four Move Limit is a damn curse in this regard. But ironically, Mewtwo is versitile and powerful enough to even with with these restrictions. He's got Mega Evolution to help boost his offensive powers whenever needed, Recover, Calm Mind, Me First, Psystrike, Protect, Amnesia.. Let not alone release the beast of RBY Mewtwo ; Amnesia, Recover, Psychic / any move you like...
Mewtwo is all incarations of any generation is an awful beast that nobody wants as an enemy. He can float, stall with teleporting and Recover / Calm Mind to set up.. He has different Mega Evolutions to boost physical of special attacks... He's basically a Dragon Ball Z character, no joke. He could probably beat a couple of them as well. It all depends on what restrictions are applied, cause with Pokemon there's a lot to consider. Does he lose TM moves cause NoTrainer? Does he keep Four Moves Restriction? Or does he have acces to all moves naturally learned by leveling up (this seems the most logical). With full restricitons, I still say he beats Samus. It's just the other stuff that he needs to deal with Super Sonic, and especially Bayonetta. The rest of the cast cannot touch him even with restrictions.
Wild Level 70 Mewtwo is probably about B tier however.
Chaos Emeralds, Super Sonic, able to move super sonic speeds... Need I say more? Am no Sonic expert. But he belongs here. Regular Sonic is beatable, Super Sonic is like Mewtwo, a Dragon Ball Z character. That's the best way to describe them. Easily makes him beat everything below. The only matchup he should fear are Bayonetta, non restricted Mewtwo, and Samus.. Well, she also runs super sonic speed. Would be a very interessting one.
Regular Sonic is probably about A- Tier i imagine?
Samus doesn't joke around. While she's not an absolute planet buster directly, she's a highly trained one woman army. Intergalatic one woman army. She gets paid to let humanity survive. She deals with high intelligent alien species on her own, has extremely powerful weaponary and has far above super human agility, durability and strenght. She fires stronger shots than a whole futuristic army, runs as super sonic speeds with Speed Booster. Hyper Mode in Metroid Prime also doesn't joke around... Diffuse Ice Missiles, Screw Attack, Power Bombs, all her types of beams and missiles. How doesn't she earn her place here?
Apperantly a destroyer of Gods, demons and angels. Not a friendly one this lady. I need to do more research, but she seems extremely powerful.
S Tier: Extreme powerhouses
Planetary levels are still reached here. These guys (and girl) could easily take down a Arwing. Think thats quite an acchievement. These fighters all got insane feats and equipment (especially the case of Meta Knight and Pit) that puts them higher than the rest. Some argued Kirby to be God tier, I say the puffball is a little too frail to be up there. But these all could indeed hold a fight against the SS Tier and not go down shamefully I'd say.
Also maybe Shulk belongs here too? Not sure if the powah of the Monado is enkugh to bring him here.
New Adition: Rosalina and Luma.
Added Rosalina to the S Tier because of her feats in Mario Galaxy. She's a sort of cosmic guardian of the Mario universe. So that and surviving the universe's collapse and being able to create black holes puts her up here.
New Adition: Bowser
Bowser also gets here, but he actually shouldn't be up here considering he is destined to be beaten always. Mostly by story purposes however, or a special Mario-only power up. He should be considered of a lower power level than most of the others, but his phenominal strenght easily makes him deserve this tier. If we go by Bowser's Inside Story's Bowser, the Giant Bowser from that game poses enough trouble for even the SS Tier. Considering this, he might actually be higher up, but story purposes and overal bad strategy makes him lower.. He's bound to Bad Guy Syndrome.
New Adition: Dark Pit.
He benefits from Pit's placement. Because that's only logical. He'd probably be somewhat weaker overall, but the matchups Pit wins, Dark Pit wins. And they are close enough in power to share about 90% of matchup results.
S- Tier: Super Heroes Tier
Mario is an interesting guy. He's bound by the Good Guy Syndrome. He's sort of destined to meet any challenge. But he lacks extreme feats, and is often heavily reliant on team work. He does have a lot to work with however, depending on which game you chose his abilities from. So he's pretty damn versitale. He's atletic and jumps very high and his stomp is mighty. Then he also got Mega Mushrooms and tons of other power ups. Could maybe even win matchups from characters higher up than him, in fact, Bowser is ranked higher and Mario beats him. So there's that.
Luigi is up here cause he's at least equal to Mario. Or is he? He doesn't know... I don't know. You don't know. But don't underestimate him. The perfect Element of Surprise.
He's bound to be at leat equally as strong as Mario, and is also heavily versitale. And above that, extremely powerful, as he can singlehandly punch a huge comet serving as the Moon down to his enemy's face. He easily adapts to any sort of enviorment and he's a terror up close. Donkey Kong might actually be the strongest character of this tier, am pretty sure. Mario vs Donkey Kong sort of shows how Mario cannot beat DK straight up in a fair fight... In Jungle Beat, DK is an absolute beast that tears down enemies 10 x larger than him in a heart beat, a violent an swift heart beat. He cannot handle super natural abilities well I imagine, so that's why he loses to the upper tiered characters. That's why he's placed here. In King of Swings he also has the abilty to heal through bananas and invincibility with crystal coconuts.
I will admit, Diddy barely makes it here but he's well deserving of this tier placement overall. He's weaker than Donkey Kong, and that's mostly due to DK making a solo appearance in Jungle Beat. But Donkey Kong doesn't rely on that appearance alone for his placement. Like Luigi benefiting from Mario's placement, so does Diddy here. He wouldn't win a fight with any character mentioned above. But he would win from character's below. And that's cause he's able to hold his own against the Star Fox crew I imagine. He's also like DK extremely adaptable to natural enviorments, always finding weapon to work with.
He's got Orange Grenades for the explosives, the Barrel Jet with Peanut Popguns to hold an aerial fight, and healing abilities with bananas due to King of Swings, as well as invincibility with crystal coconuts. That makes him win the aerial fight with the Arwings. As well as his projectiles being sort of leaded missiles, he will hit more often and can endure hits with healing and invincibility. If the Arwing crashes and the fight continues on land, Diddy has the obvious egde. Unless a Landmaster is also available? I doubt it, but if it arives it could take time, which Diddy could optimise.
Anyway, Diddy holds his own. His overall matchup results would make him deserve his placement. Even though it takes longer for him to defeat his enemies because he relies on equipment and atletics mostly and not strenght like the rest. Even with that considered, looking at the attack patterns of the DKC2 bosses and given Diddy dodges direct canonball fire, who's to say anything can easily hit him in the first place?
Cloud should probably belong somewhere around here.. But I know next to nothing about him. So this is a honorary position.
What can we say about Link? A lot. I put him down this high mostly because of his Ocarina of Time appearance. But I think many other Link incarations deserve to be up here too. I say definitely the Hero of Time should belong here because of his magic arsenal. Nayru's Love and Light Arrows are powerful stuff. I think he might just beat Diddy, but not the others. Breath of the Wild Link also deserves a mention and to be ranked up here I guess, as he also does cool tricks and is highly adaptable. I think if you can destroy several Guardians with ease, you can handle Arwings. Anyway, that guy is not in Smash as of yet. Link of the Past Link, shout out to you too. Or are you a Young or Toon Link? Anyway, the Hero of Time seems his strongest incaration, so there he is.
I'll probably adress the other Links who made an appearance in Smash individually as well. Those be; Young Link (OOT / MM) Toon Link (WW) and Twilight Princess Link.
Yeah didn't think that last part through. Anyway, you know of Fierce Diety Link? Yes? Okay. Well that's the only actual reason that Young Link from Majora's Mask is up here. Might actually be stronger than the rest of the tier. I could see him beat Kirby, Meta Knight and maybe others.. Could he beat Mewtwo and Samus? He seems like a contender... For now, he's ranked here.
He's regarded as the most powerful Hero in his lore. He's the Goddess slayer of Telius, the Hero of Blue Flames, leader of the Greil Mercenaries, Ike. If we take his blessing from Yune literally, not many would be able to even hurt him. He'd maybe lose to Fierce Diety, but unless you carry divine blessing, Ike ain't touched. So along with DK, I say he's leader of the tier. He'd take down Palutena easily. And also Pit most likely. But he loses to the rest.. Maybe.. He could take Lucas. Aether ain't nothing to mess with either! With Ike, you need to beat him swift before he beats you. The longer it takes, the better for him, as Aether will probably be a game changer.
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S-- Ganon
The Great King of all Evil, Ganondorf. Yes I rank him this low because he's losing to the divine and psychic abilities of most of the cast up here. He will probably beat DK and Diddy in the upper tier, but they instead beat others that Ganondorf cannot handle. I put him in a special lower Tier because he would also probably lose to characters from the Fire Emblem cast. They seem very specifically equiped to handle Ganondorf, but he does beat Arwings. Still, considering how Ganon is one entity, I can say with Breath of the Wild's Ganon that Ganon can be beaten with weapons that are not exactly "blessed". That's why he'll fall to Samus's beams for example, and Mewtwo and the MOTHER kid's psychic abilities. Super Sonic and Bayonetta also beat him, and so do the Mario Bros., Rosalina, Pit, and many others. He'd probably beat Palutena however due to sheer force. And if you wanna go game mechanics, maybe his Dark type magic is super effective against Mewtwo?
A+ Tier: Zero Suit Samus
She still has acces to the beams of regular Samus and the Screw Attack in some of her playable appearances. If we go soly by Metroid Zero Mission ZSS, she drops drastically. But with the Screw Attack and beams alone she should be good. IF we use creative liberty of Smash, we can argue she can use the Grapple Beam as well thanks to the whip-gun-sword in Smash, but I still stand convinced that Screw Attack and Beams is enough. If minimally equiped, expect B- tier or so.
A Tier: Elemental Animals and Wizard
Came to a new conclusion that these characters would all rank togheter very nicely. Robin has story related mechanics that make him very interessting, but his 'Robin' incaration seems pretty defeatable. Still, he's got lots of skills that help him. And magic like Nosferatu. He can change classes, so that would make him very hard to handle for the rest of the Fire Emblem cast, except for Ike.
Now the Pokemon cast. These are all extremely powerful Pokemon in their own right. All have a stronger form, even if Greninja cannot Mega Evolve, there's this Ash Greninja who got stat buffs. Charizard X and Y and Mega Lucario are also not to joke with. They enjoy a lot of gimmicks due to Pokemon hax, but not quite enough like Mewtwo. Still, the matchups he wins outrightely are also probably in advantage to them. Mostly with Lucario and Greninja due to speed. However, I expect Mega Charizard X with enough time to set up Dragon Dance able to tear down anything in this tier.
A- Tier: Basically Arwing Tier
These guys are intergalatic mercenaries and gangsters. Well trained and armed, expect them to be able to deal with a lot of **** handled at them. Don't have a lot of defensive abilities except for barrel rolling, but their fire power is strong. Being airbone gives them the edge above the other characters below. However, the Landmaster of Fox and Falco (and since Brawl, also Wolf of course) would still give a whole lot of trouble.
A-- Tier: Pika Tier
Pikachu in his own tier. Why? He's a glass canon. Hits hard but cannot take them. That's why he loses to everything up here, but he's at least able to take down a lot of their 'HP' before going down. Thunder Wave paralysis also gives a lot of trouble. Pikachu is simply a treat that needs to be dealt with as quickly as possible. His lightning would be able to take down the Arwings, but the Arwings are overall more durable thus placed higher.
A--- Tier: The Blue Falcon
He just drives... A very fast car. He basically can do infinitive Final Smash against everyone below, because he just goes fast. What a cheater.....
B+ Tier: The Hero of Winds and the Hero of Twilight
Master Sword and Light Arrows carry you places. He's weaker than the Hero of Time, and lacks his magic, but he's more equiped than the Fire Emblem cast below. Versitality wins here, plus his Boomerang is nasty. Am convinced he's still worthy of this placement.
Toon Link might have Light Arrows, but this more adult and realistic version has Bomb Arrows and a whole lot of secret sword tricks to compensate. I say in physical strenght alone, TP Link stomps Toon Link. But we cannot ever know this for sure. They both beat Ganondorf with the help of Zelda. I say they are pretty damn comparable. All depends on if Toon Link is able to hit with the Light Arrows... Which should be hard as TP Link as an edge in sword fighting, and the arrows can be reflected with a shield.
B Tier: Fire Emblem Heroes
Corrin might rank higher due to dragon insanity, but I know next to nothing about Fates. So I rank Corrin here as a place holder mostly.
Doesn't matter all too much cause Marth and his upgrated alternate costume clone and DLC semi-clone have weapons that are especially powerful against dragons. Noticed that Fire Emblem Heroes reference? Well that's exactly what has been happening a lot in my playthroughs. So Corrin might be stronger to the rest of the cast, but they get beaten like a pulp by the rest of the tier.
Marth deserves special status due to FE1 Falchion hax. If we count that, he goes higher up. There's also the Dark Orb, and the Shield of Seals that give him a lot. Anyone played FE12? You should. Cool game.
Lucina is probably a lot stronger than the others if we go by recent appearances. She might potentially be near-Ike level. But she likely loses to the same matchups and loses a few more because no Yune blessings. Still, she's not one to take lightly. Should be with Robin sitting higher, but with her sword alone she cannot easily deal with the technological advanced characters up. She does beat Pikachu and maybe the other Pokemon however? Mega Charizard X wouldn't like to meet Falchion am sure... Lucario and Greninja are a different story.. She might get a promotion later on. Do think she can beat Ganon however.
Roy has the Sword of Seals. It's a very strong weapon you know. Shoots fire and kills dragons. Not too impressive? Well he goes and defeats a whole lot of ancient dragons with it. And he beat Zephiel in canon. From all the Fire Emblem units he's probably the weakest overall.
B- Tier: Team Underdog
It wasn't done when I last looked.
I would Merge this tier with the one below it, there isn't that much that separates it.SS Tier: Basically untouchable by most of the cast.
Can Ness/Lukas really destroy planets? I thought that Gygas was weakened or something?S Tier: Extreme powerhouses
No one on here has any planet busting feats, it should be merged with A tierS- Tier: Super Heroes Tier
Falcon seems too high. Wouldn't crashing into someone with the blue falcon just damage Falcon equally?A+ Tier
Little mac seems a bit too high.B Tier:
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Honestly I find Dedede hard to rate. Same with Peach, Yoshi and Zelda actually. They all show abilities on par with their collegues of the same franchise at times, but not as consistently. Kirby definitely gets a whole lot more than Meta Knight and King Dedede, and Meta Knight gets the Halbert, so that's why I placed them higher.
. There was a whole lot of discussion about just how strong he would be, and which Pokemon he could summon. Then people argued that even if the Pokemon where OP, the trainer himself absolutely isn't. And that anyone moving fast enough or with projectiles could kill him before he even throws a Pokeball... So he's also mystery for me.
When have Dedede and Yoshi not been shown on par with the others.
Dr. Mario's strength is unquantifiable. The best we can really do is put him on the same tier, since he lacks any solid feats or has never been canonically playable.
Ryu can take out buildings. Mega Man can stop time and also take out buildings. Pac man is actually pretty strong, as he's survived missiles before. He's not on the same level as, say Mario, but I put him roughly equal to Little Mac.
Yeah Pokemon trainer would get rekt before he can send out Pokemon If he could send out pokemon he would be an easy top tier though.Also a character we often forget about is the Pokemon Trainer
Yoshi and Peach have cartoon physics on their side.
You keep making this typo.
Fire Emblem isn't exactly normal physics, and don't think physics have much to do with overall power. Sure, Yoshi has been shown as extremely durable but I doubt he has the raw strenght to really be that high up. Same with Peach, but she has actual RPG titles on her resume so she has more destructive force.
Ah yeah I know about the weapon I just thought it was spelled differently for some reason. Should I refer to it as the Poleax now?
vs Yoshi ?
Peach gets all the same powerups as Mario and Luigi, and Yoshi has a large set of powerups of his own. Yoshi has his own series of games so I don't see why he doesn't have experience. I would put them below Mario and Luigi too, but not multiple tiers below like you did.
Dedede is definitely below Meta Knight and Kirby, but I don't see why he deserves too be in the same tier as Little Mac.
Kirby can survive quite a beating from clones of himself (as well as Meta knight and Dedede), so would definitely say he can tank multiple planet level attacks. The whole "not in control of his power thing" is anime only. He's super naive though if that's what you mean.
Yeah I guess your right on this. I don't think he should really even be on the list since he's never fought anyone before and his power is a mystery.