Rubyiris
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My friend who mains Ics is trying to find a secondary/counter pick character to deal with characters such as Marth, and Peach.
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Fox does...Sheik, Fox, Marth
Sheik ***** Peach, Marth, Samus, Luigi, Doc, and even helps in random match-ups like Link. She covers every single poor match-up for IC. I would play her if I could.
Fox mainly does well against Peach, Marth, Luigi, and Jiggs (and Doc somewhat) but lacks in the Samus match-up.
Marth is the best counter for Peach, and also helps out the Samus and Luigi match-ups (and can do well vs Doc and Jiggs if you need it), and Marth dittos if you're into that kind of thing.
You probably want Sheik.
Actually I forgot about that -- you might consider Fox because, aside from his match-ups, he's good on almost every counterpick (you won't have to worry about banning pokefloats).He is good on virtually every stage and does good vs virtually every character.
Doc can **** fox just as easy.
Fox can **** doc.
Doc mains also claim Sheik/Marth/Falcon are his worst match-ups.
On paper, doc's worst matchup is marth, but all 3 do well enough. If doc is a problem for you, pick any one of those 3 that also covers your other bad matchups. If you're looking for a character to beat doc specifically, I would say suggest marth.
And yea Doc's worst match up is probably sheik or falcon.
Yea but half the cast could probably do 0-death or 0-a lot of dmg combos.Doc can **** fox just as easy.
dude i main nana =puse nana as your secondary..any body else would be fox since icy's requires fast movements and you will be use to jumping faster than others..sheik is good but she is boring but fox will **** anyone but nana
I'm going to go ahead and blast away a common misconception right here, Mario, Doc, Pichu, Kirby, Ice Climbers, Roy, DK, Puff, Samus, Pikachu, Game and Watch, Bowser, Luigi, Mew2, and everyone else I am not thinking of right now that isn't named Fox, Falco, Sheik, or Marth, have defensive styles for a reason.Well...I guess that'd really go more for what you're looking for as far as playability is concerned. Doc tends to be more of a character that requires patience and outwitting your opponent, whereas Falcon is generally going to be a more aggressive playstyle and lots of comboing. Or so I can get from memory...I'm not big into either character, to be honest. x_x
If you really want to look into it all, however, Falcon and Doc are both rather lively threads and have a lot of info for you to collect from.
And as far as overall match-ups go, I'm pretty sure that Falcon will be your better bet against Marth and Peach in general. Although Peach is still an annoying little...grrrr. -.-
Oh god nooo...I do realize this. Trust me...I really realize it. I was basically just saying that between the two options as to what would be better for him to use as a secondary against them between Doc and Falcon, it would generally be Falcon. Chances are, Doc will probably have a better defensive game, but Falcon's defense is still decent. Plus, as long as you keep your offensive game switched up enough, it can really pull through a more even match up. And as far as I can tell, an average Falcon usually has more ways to kill someone than an average Doc.I'm going to go ahead and blast away a common misconception right here, Mario, Doc, Pichu, Kirby, Ice Climbers, Roy, DK, Puff, Samus, Pikachu, Game and Watch, Bowser, Luigi, Mew2, and everyone else I am not thinking of right now that isn't named Fox, Falco, Sheik, or Marth, have defensive styles for a reason.
lol clearly you haven't played colbol. I think this is generally true for most foxes, but that kid is riduculous against ICs.As an add on to my last post, ICs should be able to beat Fox as well, its not a good match up, but it isn't like Marth or Peach, the better player should win the majority of the time.