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THANK GOD! seriously, this place nedds better grammar.
well youre obviously not trying too hard, why should anyone else? i think sonic will be mid-tier, not that my opinion holds much value on the boards. people definitely dismiss him way too early. most of the time when i cant beat someone with tl (my main) i wreck them with sonic. its probably cuz of his lack of popularity in the competitive scene (most people dont really know what to expect from a seasoned sonic player), but anybody who puts an effort into saving their kill moves and constantly mixes up approaches shouldn't have much more trouble KOing than other light weight chars. plus, isn't sonic middle-weight? oh yeah, and yesterday i learned a 2x stutter-stepped fmash outranges (or has more priority, which i know isnt the case) a well-spaced fsmash from marth during a match with a friend IRL. please correct me if im wrong, im just going off of an observation. i thought it was pretty awesome though
LOLOLOLOL, NESS GETS CGED TO DEATH BY ABOUT 20 MEMBERS OF THE CAST, GG, NESS!
And this is why people think we're ********.
yoshi is, just because he can't punish out of shields and very few play him in tournaments, if he had a normal shield he would easily be mid tier, however, anyone can just attack him with aerials and get away before he comes out of his shield, and going off tourney placement, sonic is low tier, possibly bottom because i see a few really good ganons and captain falcons popping up. also, ness is hard to grab, so while he does get CG'd it doesn't happen at many tournaments, in fact out here in the socal smash scene, it isn't uncommon to see a ness place top 10. so he is considered mid by all us on the west coast just because he can place high, however, he is too inconsistent to do it in every tournament, dk is similar, though that might be because only 2 people play dk in our region.
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yourney placement maybe, but i have gone to a tournament (sometimes 2) every weekend since about two weeks after it came out. you can call me a troll because i do not agree with the general consensus of the thread, but i have honestly never seen a sonic place well in a tournament with more that 16 people. i have been playing in socal, with several old melee pros, like gimpyfish, dsf, and hugs, and a bunch of new names that never got big in melee but seem to be doing better than most in brawl, like ajax, edge, and futile. i don't know where you are, so i can't know if you are playing truly good people, or are just winning your local mom and pop game store tournament against a couple kids from school. if you are winning tournaments against good people, i have not heard about it, congratulations to you, you seem to be doing something that no one in socal can do. however, I do not see any sonics placing well out here, and several of the better sonic players (lucky included) have switched to other characters for tournaments, so i cannot see him placing high.
Dude, we main Sonic-- we ARE ********.
Proof that Melee was such an amazing game and made a huge impact on the fighting game community.
Nah, there's always some point where the mains don't deny an obvious truth. Especially in Melee. I mean, no one was going to main Mewtwo or Pichu and say either of those characters were top or even mid tier, and I don't think anyone will do that for Brawl even if a more solid tier structure ever becomes prevalent (hopefully it won't). And besides that, saying "mid tier" in Brawl is really just like saying "average" which in fighting games is just like saying "balanced."
that list was made in the mid west, so until we get a national list on placement, that just means that there were 2-3 good sonic players out there, also, mr. 3000 is winning in one place, it took dk players winning and placing consistently in the top 8 all around the country for dk to get recognized as mid to high tier, sonic has mr. 3000 and 2 other guys placing well, out of a much larger base (usually 5 or 6 sonics per large tourney, and 2 or 3 dks, yet the dks place higher than the sonics so people infer that dk is a better character, thats twice the representation and much lower placement) it's not that sonic is necessarily bad, it's that he is not as good as the other characters based on what I've seen at tournaments
i have no problem with people who admit there character is bad, even gimpyfish admits that bowser was bad in melee, however, there are plenty of people here that are saying he is definitely high to mid tier, and my comments are directed towards them
if a character does not place high in many tournaments and several of his players are switching to someone else, isn't that a sign that he isn't good, and therefore is bad, or in angry internet people speak, sucks
