Smash 3DS What Will The 3DS Scene Need To Thrive?

[smashmachine]

The 3ds won't have much of a competitive scene. Wii U has far more interest, as you always hear "I don't want the 3ds to hold wii u back!" I want there to be a scene, but it is less likely. I'll probably have more hours in 3ds, but the wii u has the most attention of the two

you hear that in these forums, yes
now look at the actual Wii U, try telling me there's any interest in the console itself

 

[Johnknight1]

I think Smash 3DS will have a stronger online community. Gaming on the go and portable-wise will inevitably have less lag.

but as for live competition, it will be interesting. I for one have a "gut feeling" that Smash 3DS may indeed be the better competitive game. Regardless of whether it is or not, I think it will be very popular live. I think Smash 3DS will be majorly popular at tournaments, and I don't think lag or connection will be an issue.

However, I think that doesn't mean it will be clear of issues. It will be harder to record (we'll need some 3DS to record stuff for live streams), harder to keep track of (unless every 3DS is on "a big board at a tournament), and it will overall be harder to see everything.

Hopefully, Sakurai and co. give us tools to record all of our matches and share them easily (perhaps even the ability to pause a match and use the touch screen to say replay stuff or edit stuff), and that we as smashers figure out ways to get over this, with things like like cords that show what's happening on TV screens, computers, and live streams so we can share it. If the Smash 3DS scene can prepare for and topple that problem, especially if said equipment for large tournaments comes at a fairly reasonable price, then the game will have limitless competitive potential.

If that happens, Smash 3DS will be a great competitive game that will be easy to share, and easy to enjoy. However, I got a feeling recording all the big matches will become something of a hassle. Perhaps we'll continue to see 3 stock matches to speed up tournaments because of it (like in Brawl) instead of the standard 4 stock matches we have in Melee and Project M (and often Smash 64), which is what I think we'll get in Smash Wii U tournaments.

 

[HarryTheChin]

It will need to be epic. and the analog circle pad thing has to work smoothly with smashes :3

 

[Nivler]

The 3ds won't have much of a competitive scene. Wii U has far more interest, as you always hear "I don't want the 3ds to hold wii u back!" I want there to be a scene, but it is less likely. I'll probably have more hours in 3ds, but the wii u has the most attention of the two

Sigh... it's really getting on my nerves all these " 3ds won't beat wii U, wii U is the better system for smash blablabla..." but guys...we know NOTHING about the game at all. We know 3 new commers and some stages but that's it. You just can't possibly say something about the games mechanics at all, not with so less informations. Will they add something completely new for MP, will they fail again just like in Brawl OR actually learn from Brawl's mistakes and MAKE something good out of MP ?
We can't know. But what we could do, is to hope and give the 3ds a chance to prove itself worth. I think we all respect the smash team and just put faith in them that they'll manage to rock the game.

I don't want to insult you or anything like that but please. Give the 3ds a chance...

 

[nessokman]

Sigh... it's really getting on my nerves all these " 3ds won't beat wii U, wii U is the better system for smash blablabla..." but guys...we know NOTHING about the game at all. We know 3 new commers and some stages but that's it. You just can't possibly say something about the games mechanics at all, not with so less informations. Will they add something completely new for MP, will they fail again just like in Brawl OR actually learn from Brawl's mistakes and MAKE something good out of MP ?
We can't know. But what we could do, is to hope and give the 3ds a chance to prove itself worth. I think we all respect the smash team and just put faith in them that they'll manage to rock the game.

I don't want to insult you or anything like that but please. Give the 3ds a chance...

I never said that, i said main interest in general for the community lies in the wii u, it feels odd playing any console based series on a handheld.Still don't consider Brawl a fail, it is a great game, just not set up for competitive people.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Super Smash Brothers for the Nintendo 3DS opens up the possibility of using Swiss format for tournaments.

Think about it.

 

[Djent]

That's a brilliant idea, AZ.

 

[smashmachine]

Super Smash Brothers for the Nintendo 3DS opens up the possibility of using Swiss format for tournaments.

Think about it.

wait I don't really get this, is there something the 3DS offers over the Wii U regarding tournament format?

 

[Djent]

When everyone has a system, the normal setup limitations that work against Swiss format don't apply.

 

[SlashMolder]

Super Smash Brothers for the Nintendo 3DS opens up the possibility of using Swiss format for tournaments.

Think about it.

As a Pokemon play I have to say switching to Swiss was the best change they've ever done for competitive Pokemon. It allows everyone to play more games and enjoy themselves more.
The biggest problem with pure swiss is that there isn't much hype for the final matches and you can't watch other people play because you're too busy playing. Using something like a top cut and displaying matches on TVs would remedy this.
There's already setups like http://3dscapture.com/ which would allow the TVs to work. I've streamed a Pokemon VGC event with it and displayed it on a TV at the same time and had no problems at all.

 

[trash?]

Nine times out of ten, SSB3DS will probably have too choppy of a framerate to be competitive. But if it is, swiss rounds would own, and I would be 100% down to playing it often.

 

[smashbro29]

he issue is the stages will be different, the controller will feel different and we still don't know if (besides the stages) if it's 1:1 with the WiiU.

 

[SmashCentralOfficial]

Super Smash Brothers for the Nintendo 3DS opens up the possibility of using Swiss format for tournaments.

Think about it.

This would definitely be an amazing way to run a 3DS Smash Bros. tournament. Single/Double Elimination tournaments create a lot of pressure on players really early, especially if they lose their first match. But a Swiss format Smash tourny however, would be like one giant pool in a sense. I think it would be great.

 

[ItBeVoltage]

I'm really exited for the 3ds version. If i don't end up getting a Wii U for Christmas, the 3ds version will be the only one i have. I was planning on playing the 3ds version for competitive stuff more anyways due to it being portable and I tend to like Handhelds better. Overall, I'm really exited to be a part of the 3ds smash community!

 

[MookieRah]

Even if you remove the arguments towards compatibility with controllers and differences between the two games, I don't like the idea that this would require people in the scene to not only have a WiiU, but also a 3DS. That's quite an investment, especially with how things are now. Maybe after a few years when prices drop this would be reasonable.

 

[.selebu]

Swiss is definitely the best thing that comes from handheld consoles!!
This will be a huge + for the 3DS version.

However if you do swiss, you can only start the next round after all matches of the current round have been played. So you can't play your matches early.
This would hinder it as a side event during tournaments, because there would need to be strict time limits for each round. And during that time players are not free for other events.
If you do it as a bracket you can run it parallel to other events, as the players could freely chose when to play their 3DS matches. (as there is no setup limitation)

 

[SmashCentralOfficial]

I don't like the idea that this would require people in the scene to not only have a WiiU, but also a 3DS. That's quite an investment, especially with how things are now. Maybe after a few years when prices drop this would be reasonable.

I know a handful of top level Melee/Brawl players who don't own a Wii or even a copy of the game. If you have tons of advanced notice before a 3DS tournament and don't own a 3DS, you could probably find a friend to let you borrow one.

I guess what I'm saying is that money won't be an issue for competitive players. If there's a tourny and they want to go, they'll be there.

 

[smashmachine]

When everyone has a system, the normal setup limitations that work against Swiss format don't apply.

huh that's interesting
I assume it'd be Swiss pools--->bracket though right

 

[Djent]

Yeah, as others have mentioned it'd be good to have a "top cut" where the highest-scoring individuals get seeded into a small bracket.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

A full swiss tournament would be amazing. I made a similar comment regarding online tournaments for Smash 4 (if the online play turned out to be even remotely useful). Now, I just need to convince myself the 3DS version is worth buying.

 

[mimgrim]

A full swiss tournament would be amazing. I made a similar comment regarding online tournaments for Smash 4 (if the online play turned out to be even remotely useful). Now, I just need to convince myself the 3DS version is worth buying.

2 resons to buy the 3DS version - Smash on the go. The 3DS is going to be key to the whole vauge customazation thing Sakurai talked about, on the 3DS is supposed to be more of a single player experiance to somehow "upgrade"/customize characters to some kind of an extent and then transfer them to the Wii-U. Oh and did I mention Smash on the go?

Oh and the whole thing of the 3DS being more of a single player experience makes me wonder if it will actually have wifi, unless it already been stated it will have it in a interview and I just missed it.

 

[ItBeVoltage]

2 resons to buy the 3DS version - Smash on the go. The 3DS is going to be key to the whole vauge customazation thing Sakurai talked about, on the 3DS is supposed to be more of a single player experiance to somehow "upgrade"/customize characters to some kind of an extent and then transfer them to the Wii-U. Oh and did I mention Smash on the go?

Oh and the whole thing of the 3DS being more of a single player experience makes me wonder if it will actually have wifi, unless it already been stated it will have it in a interview and I just missed it.

If it doesnt have wifi ik alot of people who would flip out. Plus isnt that like mainly what people want out of smash4 anyway? Doesnt seem wise imo, when its perfectly capable of wifi play.

 

[mimgrim]

If it doesnt have wifi ik alot of people who would flip out. Plus isnt that like mainly what people want out of smash4 anyway? Doesnt seem wise imo, when its perfectly capable of wifi play.

I think people just want it to be better then Brawl's online for the most part, but many will still probably play off line and go to places to play Smash instead (like me due to sucky azz wifi). And it's only a possibility that the 3DS might not have wifi, unless Sakurai has said other wise in an interview and I just missed, and that is due to the different things the differe Smash4 games will be focusing on. The 3DS is suppose to be a more single player experience, Sakurai said so himself, while the Wii-U is suppose to be about multiplay, which again I believe Sakurai said, making it possible the 3DS might not be supportive of multiplayer and not detracting sales from the Wii-U version also because of this. It actually makes sense to a degree to have one be single player focus and one multiplay focus, and have them interact in the way you use the singleplayer one to customize characters somehow to transfer to the Wii-U, so people are more inclined to buy both. But then again it is also quite possible for the 3DS version to have wifi. I just don't see wifi being 100% guaranteed right now due to how the games are aiming at 2 different things in all honesty.

 

[Immortal]

A full swiss tournament would be amazing.

Agreed. If there is a 3DS competitive scene then Swiss should be the standard format.

 

[ItBeVoltage]

I think people just want it to be better then Brawl's online for the most part, but many will still probably play off line and go to places to play Smash instead (like me due to sucky *** wifi). And it's only a possibility that the 3DS might not have wifi, unless Sakurai has said other wise in an interview and I just missed, and that is due to the different things the differe Smash4 games will be focusing on. The 3DS is suppose to be a more single player experience, Sakurai said so himself, while the Wii-U is suppose to be about multiplay, which again I believe Sakurai said, making it possible the 3DS might not be supportive of multiplayer and not detracting sales from the Wii-U version also because of this. It actually makes sense to a degree to have one be single player focus and one multiplay focus, and have them interact in the way you use the singleplayer one to customize characters somehow to transfer to the Wii-U, so people are more inclined to buy both. But then again it is also quite possible for the 3DS version to have wifi. I just don't see wifi being 100% guaranteed right now due to how the games are aiming at 2 different things in all honesty.

Well all he said was that they would take advantage over the fact that each person has their own 3ds. I really dont think that the wii-u will be the full game only and the 3ds would become just some cheap side game. But if you can show me where he said that the wii-u is supost to be more focused on multiplayer while the 3ds is singleplayer plz do link it. I don't remember anything like that being announced.

 

[mimgrim]

Well all he said was that they would take advantage over the fact that each person has their own 3ds. I really dont think that the wii-u will be the full game only and the 3ds would become just some cheap side game. But if you can show me where he said that the wii-u is supost to be more focused on multiplayer while the 3ds is singleplayer plz do link it. I don't remember anything like that being announced.

I know I read it somewhere, but now for the friggen life of me I can't find it. ;-; But I disticly remember reading in a interview Sakurai saying something about 3DS being more for single player and Wii-U being more for multiplayer but can't find it again. Does anyone else by chance know the article I am trying to find now? Cause I distincly remember him saying something like that.

Unless I somehow made it in my mind, which I really hope isn't the case as that might mean there might be something wrong with me.......................................

 

[210stuna]

TLDR;

If it's anything like Mario Kart then say good bye to actually comparing your score to someone. I mean even if you came in last your points still went up for the most part, not even comparing it to being in first, and the communities were garbage. Aside from having everyone a way to connect and play against each other, there was no history of records because of how it restarted itself every so often.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

I like this, it would be nice for smash3ds to have it's own niche community.

 

[LiteralGrill]

It seems that you guys have come up with a LOT of great things while I was busy and couldn't get on a bit!

Swiss style tournaments would be amazing, and even if it were used for pools then a top group put up in a bracket to eliminate the issues of the lack of hype in finals. The 3DS has a LOT going for it, don't think it'll just sit by, it will probably manage to have it's own scene easily, and as everyone has pointed out has the powerful tools to do it!

Edit: I can only maybe see one problem with Swiss Tournaments, and that would be deciding which tie breaking methods and in which order to use them, or perhaps developing a system on its own for scoring a particular match, with wins, draws, and losses in the match having so many points that would end in a cumulative score for each fight. It needs to be VERY well thought out to work.

 

[JbrockPony]

I believe smash on the 3DS is an automatic win for a competitive scene. Sales wise, the 3DS is doing great compared to the Wii U. Most people are going to own a 3DS than a Wii U since the 3DS is already dishing out amazing software. The 3DS community is going to be big when Smash comes to it.

Yeah I'm going to favor the Wii U version more (mainly for beautiful graphics and better online) but I don't get why some people gotta dis the 3DS version. Imean come on... its Smash on the go people! I'd loved to play this going to my lecture class on my breaks or even when I have to go traveling! Plus with my phone's wifi hotspot feature I'm pretty much set for online matches .

you hear that in these forums, yes
now look at the actual Wii U, try telling me there's any interest in the console itself

I second that.

 

[JbrockPony]

SWEET! Thank you SO much for the link, that would work perfectly, especially if we get a good spectator mode!

And we'll make it competitive! I need to get some of those big threads over in here for speculation... Time to get to work!

I currently have a 3DS capture card. I would love to be part of the competitive 3DS Smash community. Streaming is something I look forward to.

And I strongly encourage you getting one if you want to stream matches as well.

Heres one of many videos I have with my capture card:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvZq2UUB-k

 

[LiteralGrill]

I currently have a 3DS capture card. I would love to be part of the competitive 3DS Smash community. Streaming is something I look forward to.

And I strongly encourage you getting one if you want to stream matches as well.

Heres one of many videos I have with my capture card:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvZq2UUB-k

I'll remember your name, being able to stream will be an awesome and vital part of the 3DS scene, and I know not everyone has a streaming 3DS available to work with as the equipment can cost serious cash. You'd be an excellent addition to any effort!

 

[Mo433]

I cant wait to be able to play this game on the go. I think people will soon realize that the 3DS one isn't as bad as it seems when it launches. I can't wait to see which version will sell the best.

 

[Toph_87]

At the end of the day, all the 3DS will need are dedicated users like us to keep it alive and I plan on doing my part to keep this version of Smash 4 just as fun as the Wii U version.

 

[S2rulL]

I think for the 3DS scene to survive amongst the hardcore Smash community, it will need streamers highly dedicated to the game, like we have with some channels now (PBnJ23 for Melee, ZeRo for Brawl, etc.) and it would also have to have fairly decent tournament coverage, be it streamed direct from the 3DS using a capture board or streamed in an over-the-shoulder style, much like some arcade cabinet tournaments/videos are. I, personally, will be getting the 3DS version of the new Smash and I'm soon getting a 3DS capture board for my 3DS and I'll try and stream whenever I can in the oncoming year.

 

[LiteralGrill]

I think for the 3DS scene to survive amongst the hardcore Smash community, it will need streamers highly dedicated to the game, like we have with some channels now (PBnJ23 for Melee, ZeRo for Brawl, etc.) and it would also have to have fairly decent tournament coverage, be it streamed direct from the 3DS using a capture board or streamed in an over-the-shoulder style, much like some arcade cabinet tournaments/videos are. I, personally, will be getting the 3DS version of the new Smash and I'm soon getting a 3DS capture board for my 3DS and I'll try and stream whenever I can in the oncoming year.

It seems that we have at least one other potential streaming who already has a card to work with, and I too am readying to purchase one so that might be a minimum of three people maybe! Gotta admit, that's a good start :D

 

[S2rulL]

It seems that we have at least one other potential streaming who already has a card to work with, and I too am readying to purchase one so that might be a minimum of three people maybe! Gotta admit, that's a good start :D

Yeah, I'm more than willing to stream some Smash on 3DS

 

[LiteralGrill]

Yeah, I'm more than willing to stream some Smash on 3DS

Awesome! Good to have more support!

 

[S2rulL]

Awesome! Good to have more support!

That's what is gonna keep the game alive and thriving! Stream, YouTube and community support.

 

[LiteralGrill]

That's what is gonna keep the game alive and thriving! Stream, YouTube and community support.

And a little bit of planning ahead, have you seen my discussion on swiss tournaments? there's good stuff!