What Ike does to King Dedede?

[RoK the Reaper]

Discuss.

 

[Thee Incubus]

Um I think DDD makes Ike cry.

 

[Timbers]

Goes either way. If DDD is forced to recover with uB, the stock pretty much goes to Ike.

also troll

 

[Koop_88]

Goes either way. If DDD is forced to recover with uB, the stock pretty much goes to Ike.

also troll

The day DDD sat on your face was the day you became bitter and twisted.

 

[LinkSceptile333]

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

This is more accurate.

 

[LinkSceptile333]

@Rapid-Assassin: Epic Win.

 

[Edds]

but DDD doesnt need to fair and then Fsmash for kills.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175940

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

Emmy I think your forgetting. A simple spot dodge to ROK COMBO will turn your picture into the much more accurate picture King Rok posted.

There's no dealing with an epic *** Rok Combo.

 

[whut?]

If the original poster knew **** he would know dedede has a huge advantage,
ike is the easiest to gimp, easiest to smash, easiest to sit on, easiest matchup next to dk and link.
Ive made alot of ikes cry, "plz king let me back 2 teh stage plz".
i see that the original post was made out of a pissy fit after losing.
^_^

troll: DDDs upB is impossible to punish if you do it right.

 

[CervPurp63]

ike is such an easy match-up for DDD. the OP's post is quite inaccurate.

 

[rathy Aro]

If the original poster knew **** he would know dedede has a huge advantage,
ike is the easiest to gimp, easiest to smash, easiest to sit on, easiest matchup next to dk and link.
Ive made alot of ikes cry, "plz king let me back 2 teh stage plz".
i see that the original post was made out of a pissy fit after losing.
^_^

troll: DDDs upB is impossible to punish if you do it right.

I agree with all of that except for the UpB part. How exactly do you make his upB "impossible to punish"?

 

[Timbers]

troll: DDDs upB is impossible to punish if you do it right.

Did you call me a troll?

lolwut. uB gets massively punished by Ike, but it's rare DDD will ever have to use it when Ike is on the stage. Just saying, in the off chance that DDD does have to use it, he probably loses the stock.

 

[Tyser]

^ No .

 

[Timbers]

^ No .

Hi, yes. Don't argue. DDD has the advantage on nearly every aspect of the match, but saying even his uB goes unpunished is ignorant. DDD has to come above the ledge sweetspot for at least over a second. Thats plenty of time for Ike to throw out an fair or fsmash, or spike.

Unless you suggest DDD should recover onto the stage, then enjoy getting a usmash to the face.

And again, DDD should never have to use his uB to recover, but in the seemingly rare event that he does, you'll most likely get punished.

 

[whut?]

Did you call me a troll?

lolwut. uB gets massively punished by Ike, but it's rare DDD will ever have to use it when Ike is on the stage. Just saying, in the off chance that DDD does have to use it, he probably loses the stock.

I fail, it looked like you were referring to yourself as a troll in your post, my bad then.
But you dont need to call rok a troll dood, everyone knows he is. ( :
ddds upB is just not as vulnerable as people think, you can vary when you cancel it-
to throw any good player off. Given there ARE situiations when youre doomed recovering with it, its not an easy move to punish.
[quickedit: i was not the one implying that upB is unpunishable landing on the stage.
upB is highly unpunishable when used properly to sweet spot the edge.]

long live the king

 

[Timbers]

I fail, it looked like you were referring to yourself as a troll in your post, my bad then.
But you dont need to call rok a troll dood, everyone knows he is. ( :
ddds upB is just not as vulnerable as people think, you can vary when you cancel it-
to throw any good player off. Given there ARE situiations when youre doomed recovering with it, its not an easy move to punish.

long live the king

I enjoy stating the obvious.

You could use like, super armor to your advantage or something, but really you shouldn't even have to use uB in recovery against a character (Ike) that can barely leave the stage to begin with. My initial post was just saying that that's really the only thing that DDD may be at a disadvantage with against Ike. The match is pretty one sided in DDD's favor.

 

[Tyser]

Uhh, how does a DDD get Usmashed/Fsmashed after DDD UpBs back on the stage? Ike's going to get his face smashed in by DDD's fat ass or those stars will interupt him. Then after that he can just shield up. I cant see how he automatically loses a stock. You're dumb.

 

[Timbers]

Uhh, how does a DDD get Usmashed/Fsmashed after DDD UpBs back on the stage? Ike's going to get his face smashed in by DDD's fat ass or those stars will interupt him. Then after that he can just shield up. I cant see how he automatically loses a stock. You're dumb.

I laughed like a giddy schoolgirl.

Play with DDD more. He doesn't have super armor frames coming down in a active-framed uB. Ike has a huge disjointed hitbox with his usmash. The usmash is going to hit DDD before DDD hits Ike. Even if Ike decides to just shield the entire thing (including stars) DDD is still in enough afterlag for Ike to grab him or jab him, which will still reap about 15% damage. If you cancel the uB to grab ledge, you're still vulnerable for a decent amount of time, setting up a spike or fsmash, or fair or whatever it calls for.

I'd go ahead and comment on your stupidity but, you displayed it quite well.

 

[Tyser]

^ No. You're stupid.

 

[Timbers]

^ No. You're stupid.

no u

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-h7o_PJLB_Q (1:03)

also obvious troll. RoK's topics attract them it seems.

 

[whut?]

no u

I laughed like a giddy schoolgirl.

He doesn't have super armor frames coming down in a active-framed uB. Ike has a huge disjointed hitbox with his usmash. The usmash is going to hit DDD before DDD hits Ike.

school girls should be in school, or making pornos.
This is right though, but alot of ikes are quite honestly stupid.. They will try charging usmash or fsmash too long(fsmash wouldnt even hit).
Ive ko'd ikes because they were fearless of getting crushed by 300yr old flappy penguin Ass, frankly speaking.

yeah, you can get hit by disjointed attacks, but thats why you use....
(i dont want to say mindgames) VARIATIONS, on how you recover with upB.
cancel it immediately, pause before you cancel, land without canceling, these variations can save you...or not.
like you said, ddd is invincible in this matchup, it doesnt matter..So rok, go back to the ike boards and tell them to cry on marthas shoulder.

BUMPFAILOL

 

[Fatmanonice]

I don't think I've ever seen a good Dedede player get hit by Ike's Usmash while recovering because they're smart enough to direct it to the right spot such as the edge of the stage.

@ the OP:

Like probably half of Ike's match ups, King Dedede vs Ike is complete **** so I don't know what you're going on about...

 

[Timbers]

I don't think I've ever seen a good Dedede player get hit by Ike's Usmash while recovering because they're smart enough to direct it to the right spot such as the edge of the stage.

A person had brought up DDD recovering onto the stage was unpunishable because DDD could easily squash them with his ***. I'm well aware recovering onto the stage with SDJ is a fricken stupid idea, but I had to give a scenario on what would happen.

You have to be a decent height above the stage to actually cancel the jump and grab the ledge, which could give anyone a decent amount of time to capitalize on this situation. I just think Ike does it better than others. I mean a big, vulnerable target falling slowly to the ledge puts up red flags that they should do something devastating (Ike's fsmash/ftilt/spike/fair) in that kind of situation. But again, Ike can't do **** off the stage, so DDD should never have to use his uB to recover, unless he just got done merking Ike with a wall of bairs.

 

[Kiyosuki]

Not to bash Ike (and all the millions that use him online) but whether it's his easilly grab-exploitable recovery animations, how easy it is to gimp him off the stage, or the swallow glitch that makes draw-sword malfunction and go out of control off the stage among other things I don't see a whole lot of a reason for Ike to make Dedede cry.

"You'll get no sympathy from me" are pretty harsh words though. And Dedede has trouble making friends so when Ike reminds him about how many friends he has I can see how that can hurt. What a nasty man.

 

[psykoplympton]

kind dedede drops huge steaming duces on ike. i know this because i did it the other day.

 

[Falconv1.0]

DDD destroys Ike. End of story.

*was an Ike main.

 

[LinkSceptile333]

This thread is still alive?

 

[Koop_88]

Timbers...

Super Armor > your hopes and dreams.

 

[Browny]

lol, Dedede loses his SA frames before he even reaches the peak of his jump.

every character (even luigi) can fsmash dedede out of his upb as he lands. before making more idiotic comments, do this. go to training, knock a CPU Dedede so far off hes forced to use his upb, and stand beneath where hes about to land and charge an fsmash, release it just before he lands. take note of how the character doing the fsmash takes no damage, and dedede gets KO'd.

doing a usmash also works for every character.

 

[Timbers]

Timbers...

Super Armor > your hopes and dreams.

shut the **** up.

Stop making yourself look ********. SA frames are only present throughout the initial 1/3 of SDJ. I'd have been understanding if you're new to Dedede, but I've said this like 4 god**** times in this thread, so you have no excuse.

 

[Psychotic Penguin]

I think it is a fair fight.

 

[Iron Mango]

Ike + Dedede = One less blue haired FE swordsman for the world.

 

[Met]

^no(timbers) even when you recover on to the stage you can avoid alot of ****. most of the time you will eat one of ikes aerials but i hardly ever get fsmashed i also play this match up vs a couple of good ikes so i'm not talking out of my ***.

its also not a fair fight ike can get gimped so easyly

 

[Timbers]

^no(timbers) even when you recover on to the stage you can avoid alot of ****. most of the time you will eat one of ikes aerials but i hardly ever get fsmashed i also play this match up vs a couple of good ikes so i'm not talking out of my ***.

its also not a fair fight ike can get gimped so easyly

I'm talking about if Ike is anticipating DDD to cancel his SDJ to grab the ledge. That's not a very hard thing to do for Ike. You don't sweetspot the ledge underneath it like most recoveries, and sticking your hitbox above that ledge is always dangerous against a waiting Ike. Not recovering onto the stage. If you were actually recovering onto the stage, you're either going to get usmashed or they'll simply shield you+the stars, and either grab or ftilt you. Ftilt is killer as well, especially on the edge of the stage (which I'm assuming is where your SDJ is going to land)

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

troll: DDDs upB is impossible to punish if you do it right.

lol... tell that to ANY zelda main..


...wait... I can reenact it for you

Dedede: well I think U'd just like to recov...
Zelda: LIGHTNING KICK HIYYYAAAAA!!!!!
Dedede: O.o whoarghhh!

Next attempt
Dedede: I think I'll reover too low for her to jump up and lightn...
Zelda: USmash.... mwuhahahahhahahahaha
Dedede: O.o Ow.. ow.... ow.... ow.... NOOOOOOOoooooo!

Final atempt.

Dedede: That's it I'll just sweetspot the ledge and....
Zelda: LIGHTNING STOMP!!!!!!!!!!
Dedede: **** O.o..... WOOOOARGH!!!

 

[Fatmanonice]

lol... tell that to ANY zelda main

Or Ice Climber or Marth main. All their "up" attacks outprioritize it too. Wario doesn't have that much of problem against it either.

 

[PWNAGEPOLICE]

RoK's a nub imo

 

[diddykongsnaners]

to timbers, a ike cant Usmash his upB to save his life, its just too slow

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

(capitalize here)to (capitalize here)timbers, a(n) (capitalize here as well)ike cant(needs an apostrophe) Usmash his(since the name Dedede, has yet to be brought up, you can't use the ambiguous pronoun "his." It will have no antecedent) upB to save his life,(this should be a semicolon, not a comma) its(also needs an apostrophe) just too slow(end punctuation)

first of all.. let's fix that grammar:

To Timbers,
An Ike can't Usmash Dedede's upB to save his life; it's just too slow.

now that THAT's fixed, let's deal with the problem of content. The probelm is... it's untrue. DDD is on acompletely set course with his UpB. if he has to use it, Ike can sit there and wait, charging a Usmash, a Fsamsh or, if he's ambitious, a neutral B while he wait's for DDD to land right into it.