What do the Melee Legends think of P:M?

[Wingflier]

I haven't heard and I'm just curious...

 

[Rikana]

Curious George.

 

[Giygacoal]

The gist of what Mango said in the Evo interview/the AMA

What do you think about Project M?
"It's fun, but why are they trying to make a game like Melee when we already have Melee?"
If you met Sakurai, what would you say to him?
"I'd ask for a remake of Melee with more stages and two new characters!"

um.

Yeah, I wonder what other guys like PC Chris think.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

I don`t know, what do the people who have posted between 10000 and 19999 posts think about Project M?

 

[GHNeko]

I don`t know, what do the people who have posted between 10000 and 19999 posts think about Project M?

Personally, I hate it. But what do I know? I'm just PMBR.


Kappa


On a serious note, the potential for PM is extremely enticing and the game is super fun with a bright future ahead of it.I look forward to being here in the long run.

 

[Paradoxium]

Well ,as a melee legend myself, I've always felt melee was superior because.......bcuz........um.........melee?

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Well ,as a melee legend myself, I've always felt melee was superior because.......bcuz........um.........melee?

I completely agree, the biggest flaw in Project M is the fact that it`s not Melee

 

[ELI-mination]

This thread is awesome

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

I remember hearing about Mango doing some crazy Wolf shenanigans with the PM dev build way back in the earlier days but his interest has went way down since then.

There are also clips of old school DBR members like Zelgadis playing pre 1.0 PM, but I haven't heard of them doing anything PM related since then.

Armada doesn't own PM, but he says he likes what he's played and he's got an insane Pit.

Mewtwoking is obviously excited for

Hax (and PP?) enter tournaments but don't really play.

HBox plays and has a decent Mario (on top of Puff of course).

 

[XalchemistX]

I wonder if Ken tried out PM.

 

[| Kailex |]

I feel like kage didnt like it

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

IIRC he moved on after a change he didn't like happened.

I get the feeling that someone's true colors will show in this thread, and it's not me.....

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

IIRC he moved on after a change he didn't like happened.

I get the feeling that someone's true colors will show in this thread, and it's not me.....

What was the change? was it a major change?

 

[Phaiyte]

I don't think too many people should care what ~*MAYLAY L3G3NDS*~ think about this game, because it's not maylay

 

[666blaziken]

most of them love project M, especially Strong Bad and Mew2king, though Hax and Mango have mixed feelings about it.

 

[GHNeko]

Hax has stated he doesn't like P:M. I think he plays it for money.

Also, SB is a melee legend?

**** ***** that legend status.

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

Probably should say Vets instead of Legends. It's implying that they're a bigger deal than they really are.

 

[Giygacoal]

Hax won a tournament with the tag "F_PM". What a jerk.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Hax won a tournament with the tag "F_PM". What a jerk.

It`s not Melee so it`s not good.

 

[Deleted member]

Who cares?

 

[Strong Badam]

most of them love project M, especially Strong Bad and Mew2king, though Hax and Mango have mixed feelings about it.

move over dogysamich i am new meleelegend

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

move over dogysamich i am new meleelegend

Well, technically if you didn`t have premium you would have "Smash Legend" under your name

 

[Deleted member]

i'd say that SB has left a permanent mark on the smash community at this point

whatever my opinion is worth

 

[Papa+Stone]

I have a poster of hax in my room

 

[Mithost]

I have a poster of hax in my room

I have a poster of your room in my room. That poster is a smash legend.

In all seriousness notreally ,the opinions of most of the melee vets will change once Project M is complete. There are certain things that melee has engine wise (shield behavior) that P:M has not emulated yet, and those small things keep some of them away.

 

[BEES]

I feel like that has been said before and the goalposts have been moved several times... ultimately there are some holdouts that are just never going to like it as much. Hey, in order to be that good at anything, you have to be a bit obsessive. I can understand.

I'm pretty crap at Melee compared to these people, but I am that obsessive about another game... chess. Could you invent a better game than chess? Absolutely. Wouldn't be hard either. Add some new pieces, make the board a bit larger, and suddenly you have an even deeper game with even more longevity. But I probably wouldn't play it, because I've committed so much of my time to chess as it is. Some of my skills might transfer into the new game, but to a large extent (especially with all the openings I committed to memory) they would be useless and I'd be starting over.

 

[Strong Badam]

Well, technically if you didn`t have premium you would have "Smash Legend" under your name

I can change what it says, actually, unlike most members (including Premium Members).

i'd say that SB has left a permanent mark on the smash community at this point

whatever my opinion is worth

<3

 

[Giygacoal]

Could you invent a better game than chess? Absolutely. Wouldn't be hard either.

Am I the only one that finds it completely stupid that a pawn could be promoted to be a queen? Aside from the questionable meaning, it takes away the niches set up by the rook and the bishop.

 

[Papa+Stone]

You can be what ever you want to be, dont let anyone tell you what you can or cannot do with your life

 

[BEES]

Am I the only one that finds it completely stupid that a pawn could be promoted to be a queen? Aside from the questionable meaning, it takes away the niches set up by the rook and the bishop.

Oh I see, you're saying pawns should promote to bishops, rooks, and knights, but not queens. Endgames are slow and tedious enough, are you sure you want to make them even slower ? What you're saying does make sense. Why promote to anything else if you can get a Queen? There are still situations where the other pieces are useful (particularly knights). Occasionally you need a rook to prevent stalemate. Very occasionally a bishop. Sure it might mix things up a bit if you only had rooks to look forward to at the end. At the same time there are beautiful combinations that can occur that hinge on getting a queen so... it's a tradeoff.

I think the main utility of having them become queens is that makes games more decisive. In Chess you may have a steady but small advantage till the end, after a minor mistake from your opponent, but maybe all it adds up to is a pawn race. Your pawn is on one side of the board and theirs is on the other. You promote the pawn just before they do. With a queen, you could stop their pawn and win. With only a rook, the game would be a draw. At high levels there are a lot of draws. Strong players have openings memorized to the Nth move and very often if their opponent is prepared, they might go through a memorized variation and end up with a drawn endgame.

Anyway,

Here's a great and hilarious example that I run into from time to time where promoting to a knight is the best move.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptrNJFFJJw

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Oh I see, you're saying pawns should promote to bishops, rooks, and knights, but not queens. Endgames are slow and tedious enough, are you sure you want to make them even slower ? What you're saying does make sense. Why promote to anything else if you can get a Queen? There are still situations where the other pieces are useful (particularly knights). Occasionally you need a rook to prevent stalemate. Very occasionally a bishop. Sure it might mix things up a bit if you only had rooks to look forward to at the end. At the same time there are beautiful combinations that can occur that hinge on getting a queen so... it's a tradeoff.

I think the main utility of having them become queens is that makes games more decisive. In Chess you may have a steady but small advantage till the end, after a minor mistake from your opponent, but maybe all it adds up to is a pawn race. Your pawn is on one side of the board and theirs is on the other. You promote the pawn just before they do. With a queen, you could stop their pawn and win. With only a rook, the game would be a draw. At high levels there are a lot of draws. Strong players have openings memorized to the Nth move and very often if their opponent is prepared, they might go through a memorized variation and end up with a drawn endgame.

Anyway,

Here's a great and hilarious example that I run into from time to time where promoting to a knight is the best move.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptrNJFFJJw

Would you like me to make a chess thread in the pool room or would you like to continue this conversation here?

 

[BEES]

Apologies. Got carried away.

But yeah, I think Project M is already ever-so-slightly better than Melee, and 3.0 will further expand on that. Sacrilegious opinion to have, I know, but there it is. My question to anyone who disagrees: what would it take to make this game as good as Melee in your eyes, while keeping it a different game?

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Apologies. Got carried away.

But yeah, I think Project M is already ever-so-slightly better than Melee, and 3.0 will further expand on that. Sacrilegious opinion to have, I know, but there it is. My question to anyone who disagrees: what would it take to make this game as good as Melee in your eyes, while keeping it a different game?

Take out every character that wasn`t in melee, add in every character that was in melee, replace the brawl graphics and sound with the melee graphics and sound, revert all characters back to there melee stats and movesets, take out all the new stages and put in all the melee stages, add a adventure mode, make the shield more like melee, and rename the game Melee......... BCUZ MELEE!!!!

 

[Veishi336]

Im also curious about their opinions about PM. I see some Melee "legends" do play PM when they can and they seem pretty damn good at it since it is rely is a brawl like melee. I think they'd like it more when the final build is released. I currently love it and might love it more than melee. Having the same mechanics from melee with brawl chars and melee chars alike is a wondrous feeling.

 

[666blaziken]

move over dogysamich i am new meleelegend

I have seen many of your matches. You are a beast with DK.

 

[Star ☆]

I might be a bit naive when saying this, but I think that now that Mewtwo has been announced, Melee is essentially outdated and Project M is superior in pretty much every way. Sure there are little nitpicks in there such as the shield mechanics but even with these incredibly minor problems I fail to see how anyone can consider Melee to hold a candle to PM.

 

[| Kailex |]

Melee is melee, pm is pm.

 

[Archangel]

Armada doesn't own PM, but he says he likes what he's played and he's got an insane Pit.

Mewtwoking is obviously excited for

Hax (and PP?) enter tournaments but don't really play.

HBox plays and has a decent Mario (on top of Puff of course).

Armada is what you call a casual beast. He can go months without playing and then get back in the swing of the game as if it's no trouble. Although, it's probably do to years of playing smash at the highest level in general. So far he's unbeaten in PM tournaments....what else is new.

Hax and PP both enjoy PM but neither feel like putting time and effort into a game that is for them clearly different for the worse in their view. Unlike Armada both of them have chosen to retain their Melee characters as their mains(nothing wrong with that, considering they are still in the game). However, there are very few people who understand Falcon and Falco the way they do. Yeah, the gameplay may LOOK the same but if you have mastered the characters to their level then you'll notice really small differences that most won't. In fact, those small differences aren't small at all. They are huge differences and it discourages you from wanting to play, especially when there is nothing to gain. As of right now Melee still has everything, It's got the fanbase, historic gaming legacy, compelling cast of current and past greats, money, fame..etc...etc. Right now if you do anything good in PM it's like...good for your...*pat on the head*. It's not worth making the leap if you don't enjoy it and for those 2 players, they will only enjoy PM should it become bigger, or better in terms of it's ability to replicate Melee's engine and more specifically Melee's Falco/Falcon.

There are certain things that melee has engine wise (shield behavior) that P:M has not emulated yet, and those small things keep some of them away.

I think most will agree that brawl's shields are horribad for this style of smash, Also the teching and lack of momentum transfering into techs or whatever you call it...it's just so....bleh. If those remaining issues are solved then I'll likely never play melee again. Even hardcore melee only people will have little left to complain about after that.

I think Project M is already ever-so-slightly better than Melee, and 3.0 will further expand on that. Sacrilegious opinion to have, I know, but there it is. My question to anyone who disagrees: what would it take to make this game as good as Melee in your eyes, while keeping it a different game?

My honest opinion is that...Aside from the game itself getting some more...fine tuning in the manners that I've already discussed. What's left is for the chips to fall. More characters, more stages, new playstyles, new advanced techniques....these are things that were already introduced in brawl and will likely be re-introduced in smash4(which I honestly don't care anything about atm.). So, these things don't automatically make Project M great. they are nice but again Brawl had the same advantages over melee. Nothings against Brawl btw, it had a good run as a competitive game but it's already starting to see it's end while Melee is once again picking up steam. For those of you who haven't already done so I suggest you watch the smash documentary. Then realize that as much as it covers..it's still missing about half of melee's history from start to finish. Melee's worldwide success isn't just do to it's engine and game physics but the players who picked it up. People who were very good...and dared to be great. That's what Project M has really yet to produce. When you see legendary sets like Ken vs Azen or Mango vs Armada you get the sense that so much is was at stake. Project M it feels more like...oh that's cool, it's kinda like melee, oh look it's a new trick, wow that was pretty cool. Again, not bad....but it lacks in the drama department.

So, my advice for anyone who really wants to see this game succeed...I suggest that you start competing, pushing yourself and your friends to be better today than you were yesterday. I'm not suggesting that you stop having fun, I'm suggesting that you make continued improvement a part of your fun. If/when you show up to tournaments show up with a fire, a passion If you are down a stock or 2 don't just let the game end in defeat, fight hard, do something amazing, do something that everyone will remember and something that will get the smash world buzzing. This isn't just the start of a new smash game. Project M has the chance to be create it's own legacy and you could very well be a big part of it. With that in mind...don't be sadisfied with being ok or even being good. Dare to be great, Dare to be bolder and better than every other player in that venue. If players carry that mindset then Project M's future will be just fine regardless of rather or not it ever perfectly replicates melee's engine.

I might be a bit naive when saying this, but I think that now that Mewtwo has been announced, Melee is essentially outdated and Project M is superior in pretty much every way. Sure there are little nitpicks in there such as the shield mechanics but even with these incredibly minor problems I fail to see how anyone can consider Melee to hold a candle to PM.

there is nothing wrong with this...considering that it's your opinion...but why after mewtwo is melee essentialy outdated? As for everything else you mentioned...well read my posts above. As for holding a candle to melee....well, that's again for everyone else to decide. So far melee is still the main event and PM is like a pre-show. This may change but as of right now Project M still displays like an undercard showing while Melee still main events...possible a repeat to Evo in 2014....so...from 2003-2013 Melee's got stacks on stack on stacks of accomplishments and memorable events. it's a BIG candle....

 

[DrinkingFood]

M2K said in stream today that he thinks P:M is better than Melee and that he likes it more.
ONE OF US
ONE OF US

 

[| Kailex |]

That was obvious as hell, mewtwo wants him too. Oh and does that mean m2k will be joining the pm crew in melee legends vs pm tops or whatever that was? Yay m2k 4ever