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Yeah not all of his videos are bad (his TF2 Pyro video was pretty interesting despite a few stretches). It's just that sometimes he stretches his theories a bit too much ("this block scale shows that Wario is 10 feet tall") and his humor is really cringey to me. I also don't like how he relies on click-bait for most of his videos (but then again most popular Youtubers do that).
SimonBarSinister
It's nice to find people who agree with me on the majority of what I said. Anytime I voiced my opinions in a public setting amongst other gamers, I'd just get ridiculed and asked if I'm being serious.I think you're the only person I've encountered so far who actually gets this and agrees with me versus replying with, "LOL git gud scrub" or "filthy casual" or "huehuehue go back to Tr4sh with the other kiddies" or some lecture on how wrong I am and how that all expands the depth and gameplay options of Smash, and thus superior in every way, shape, and form.
I've been sorta looking into that myself since a friend has been telling me about Team Fortress 2.
I'm going to have to agree with
Kurri ★
and
finalark
that it's rather unfair and incorrect to dump the blame entirely on Japan. As for being offended, when it's THAT blatant and in your face, especially when prominently shown on boxart and posters at your local game store, you have to admit that it doesn't leave a pleasant taste at all in the mouths of the gender being objectified. To me, it's tasteless, offensive, and embarassing and I'm not even a girl, if I were a girl, especially one who was on the fence about gaming and gamers, and that's my first or primary impression of the culture, I'd get as far away as far away could get. The industry, and other gamers need to understand that and perhaps why the gender balance ratio is so out of whack - cause women really are treated and / or viewed like pieces of meat in a considerable amount of gaming - both in the products itself, and by the community.I'm glad someone else notices that and appreciates what Simon's Quest got the ball rolling on. I feel it was just ahead of its time, but ultimately, if I could make my own videogames, they'd be just like it.
I have reason to be defensive given that is ultimately the path such discussions go, and I'm not going to rehash the same arguments again and again. I was also just explaining how you can say something, and then have discussion build around it without the discussion ultimately degenerating into I'm right, you're wrong, and now I'm going to force you to see it my way lecture.Ok dude, you're sounding a little too defensive right now. I don't think this is what
Really the majority of the most watched Youtube gaming channels are pretty awful.
Instead of picking out examples here and there
In a fast paced game like a beat-em up or a fighting game, you definitely will feel the difference. This is not up for debate. Any other genre, or in general games that don't require you to react to things at a moment's notice, then yes it won't matter much.
As said, it really depends on the game.
I admit that I'm a bit prejudiced towards Japan in this particular case, so maybe it was a little hasty of me to call them out. But as far as being blatantly offensive to certain groups in particular, there is one thing to remember in all of this: They're just video games. They aren't real. I find it somewhat ridiculous that there are people that would take offense to what they see in a media format that has no real bearing on what happens in reality. Why would anyone get angry at something that isn't real? Do people really see a message hidden in all of those 1s and 0s which suggests to them that the developers should design their games with a more politically correct mindset? If so, then it's the people complaining that need to change, not the games. You can try to put yourself in another group's shoes all you want, but at the end of the day, it's just a form of entertainment and it should be treated as such. I've been a gamer all my life, and my attitude towards women won't be influenced by whatever video games I play. And nor should it be. If I'm gonna be a jerk to women, I'm gonna be a jerk on my own terms. I don't need a video game to do it for me. But what do I know? I'm just a dude that plays video games.I'm going to have to agree with
It "needs to stop"? Saying how game developers should or shouldn't design their games is like telling artists what they can and can't paint. If game developers can't express themselves the way they want to, then why should we be able to? And one of the reasons you want this to change is because a few girls decided not to hang out with you because you're a gamer? I really don't know what to say to this, except that I'd consider you the lucky one for not getting involved with someone who lacks even the least amount of perspective on the matter. If you like video games, you like video games, and no one should tell you you're wrong for liking them.
Ah, the glory days of the NES, when ripped, shirtless dudes ran around blasting aliens and vampires had to deal with hunters and their manskirts. Personally, I find a lot of humor in this. I mean, why would they wear such a scant amount of protection? And in the middle of combat no less? It's stupid, but I can't help but laugh about it.
Well, the fact that you're being defensive kind of indicates that you are advocating such a direction. Sure, many discussions go this way because people tend to get defensive at times when it may not be necessary, but as far as I know, this isn't that type of discussion. But I'll repeat myself, this is an unpopular opinion thread. No flame shields necessary.
You're missing the point, entirely, and almost willfully. Whether it's real or not, or the take-away you personally get from it, is irrelevant. If someone made a game with messed up racial or sexual stereotypes or hate propaganda, for example, are you saying that's okay too because it's just not real and just a videogame? Certain things are not, or should not, be acceptable in modern culture and civilized society. So yes, either they should at the very least, stop being tasteless if they want a dime of my money, or GTFO.
They can do what they want in private, but public exhibition is another thing (and don't start with that "but my freedom of speech" crap - because Freedom of Speech, as it is written, only serves to protect you from the government punishing you over what you say - not from private or public backlash by the populace. For example, if I own an establishment and you say something I don't like or wear a shirt I find offensive, I can make you leave) the second it starts casting a negative light on an entire culture just to satisfy their own perversion, greed, and / or to pacify an obnoxiously loud minority, is where I draw the line.
Finding a girl into gaming, let alone a single one, at least where I live, is near impossible. That leaves me with non-gamers whose only impression of videogames and gamers are what the mainstream media and advertisers throw in their face - gratuitous fan service and senseless violence. They see women paraded around like pieces of meat while someone teabags the dead in CoD while screaming obscenities at a child over voice chat. That is the stereotype and misconception I have to relentlessly combat to convince one of them to even give videogames or gamers a remote fraction of a chance.
Outside of Gauntlet and Ikari Warriors, I don't know what NES games you played but that was very seldom for me. Simon Belmont wasn't topless. Link wasn't either. Nor Mario. Nor MegaMan. Nor Sir Arthur. Nor... I think you get my point. I know some exist, but it wasn't nearly as commonplace as you're painting - and not nearly as commonplace as it is for women being overtly sexualized today and even back then.
Nobody over the age of thirteen finds DoA's water balloon boobs tantalizing. Besides, DoA is actually a really fun and rewarding fighter with a large number of females fans. Not sure what the problem is here.
I don't think I'd really care. If my theoretical daughter was interested in video games and wanted to play, say, Dead or Alive (since you keep bringing it up) I'd actually be fine with it. Yes, the ladies are fanservicey but all of them kick a ton of ass and play active roles in the story. In that respect, it kind of sends a message that a woman can be both beautiful and strong and that those traits are not exclusive.
Did you even play Ghosts and Goblins
So, this is more about your personal issue on what's acceptable or not in video game content, then? Anyway, my point stands. As long as the players(and those around them)are fully aware that they are just video games and don't try to apply anything there to reality, then my answer is a flat-out yes, it is ok. I'll say it again: Video games aren't the problem here; it's people. People can be conditioned to think what "civilized" society wants them to think if they don't have the ability to think for themselves, right, wrong or otherwise. And when people see something that they've been conditioned to speak out against, that's when trouble starts. All traces of rationality fly out the window and the torches and pitchforks come out(metaphorically of course). But really, no one is forcing you like anything. If you don't like particular game series out there, then don't indulge in them. Just, you know, don't tell others what they can and can't like.
You really should care less about what others think of you as a gamer. This is like saying gamers are a species from another planet or something. Are you saying that you'd rather fall in line with the crowd and get involved in something in which the time dedicated could be used better elsewhere than just enjoying what you like about gaming? And about the whole "DoA jiggle physics" thing, it's not like the ENTIRE video game industry will become this in the foreseeable future. It's not even like that now.
This is less about freedom of speech and more about how willing game developers are in making their vision come to life in its entirety. As far as I'm concerned, game developers should be able express their creative side in any way they see fit. It doesn't matter if they make a decision I agree with or not, I'd rather them see their aspirations through in the manner they believe in, regardless of others may think. It's something I can respect. And besides that, they have their legions of fans, for whatever reasons they have for playing the games. They are successful, and the devs will keep doing whatever it is that they do.
I was never censored when it comes to the video games I play, so theoretically, why should I deny any of my children the same treatment? Because others would find it objectionable? Because society would deem it "irresponsible" of me? Please. I've experienced this side of gaming in my younger years(and found it completely inoffensive), and yet, I'm a Nintendo fan. Go figure.
Then put them out of your mind. No use stressing out over women that can't accept one particular fact about you. If they have a problem with how violent and fan-servicey certain games are, then that's their problem, not yours, and not the industry's. Making it your problem seems like a colossal waste of time, and it just blows things out of proportion.
You can say it as much as you want to, but that doesn't mean it actually needs to happen.
That's not his initial, powered-up, or permanent state. That's after taking damage and it's shown as an undesirable state for the player. Point negated
You're still missing the point. Maybe I'm just wording it badly. From the top, it's not about personal take-aways or impressionable people learning the wrong things. It's about sensibility and how the more attention seeking games and / or their marketing goes out of its way to offend the average person's common deceny. Yeah, there's people who don't care and will play it anyways and such, if they want to support that, that's on them, BUT, being nonchalant and devil-may-care about it is not okay.
Think about the implications and ramifications of what you're saying. Let me say it again: Otherwise we'd have titles like "Custer's Revenge" entering the mainstream because "sex sells" and "mah artistic vision". No! Just no! More than no, HELL NO! Let us NOT degenerate to that! For the love of all that is sacred!
That's on you then. I, for one, when I have daughters someday, do not want them being subjected to such tasteless, degrading, insulting depictions and views on women. They shouldn't have to see that, or be a part of something where that level of meaningless objectification is okay. It shouldn't even be a thing in today's day and age! This shouldn't be an issue. The fact that it still is, still rearing its ugly head, reflects poorly on us.
That's where you're wrong. It becomes my problem the moment I start getting unfairly judged and shot down over bull**** I never wanted anything to do with in the first place. I don't know about you but I don't want to be some ForeverAlone meme. I want a wife; one who'll share my passion! In my particular area, that involves having to win over a non-gamer, and get them to give gaming a fair shot - which is nearly impossible when the industry's and / or community's face has given them such a horrible taste in their mouth. It's an issue that needs to be addressed unless we enjoy the concept of gaming single. Had these people given me and my library of games a chance, they'd have a totally different impression of gaming and maybe gamers as a whole versus what they see in the mainstream.
Well, that's on you. I don't want to be some ForeverAlone meme. I'm very relationship oriented, and I want a girlfriend / wife who'll love gaming as much as I do. Dating sites haven't helped, non-gamers are near impossible to get into gaming because of the aforementioned issues, and perhaps due to those same issues, I can't even find a single girl gamer at any of my public gaming scenes because they don't want to be within 100 miles of that crap. For people who actually want a serious relationship involving a wonderful girl and gaming, without them being mutually exclusive, it becomes a serious issue. Maybe you don't care about finding a girlfriend, or you maybe you already have one, but I do, and **** like this makes my lot a hard one!
So, you want my closing thoughts? Very well. People can enjoy what they want; if I don't have to hear or see it, then whatever. My only concern is that it's so in-your-face that I can't turn a blind eye to it even if I wanted to, and on that note, my concern is the public image and reputation that's thrust upon gamers and gaming; likewise with the nonchalant attitude people have about it cause they feel they're not personally affected by it.
The last time I heard people talk smack about Sonic was back in the days of the ancient console wars. I was that guy who liked both Nintendo and SEGA, and thus given the most hell. lol.
Eh, it's an acquired taste. I didn't like it at first either but it grew on me.
So, did you get around to reading the rest of the post talking about how sex appeal for both genders is okay because any sound-minded individual is aware that men and women aren't like that in real life?
In the interest of not rehashing what I've already said, and to avoid circular arguments, I shall redirect you to my reply here which states that point is completely irrelevant to what I'm getting at. It should also address any other talking points you may end up throwing at me which I've already addressed and care not to address again.
This industry is just that- an industry. It's a business. They're going to design characters the way that sells the most copies of their game, so you already know what to expect. And honestly, I don't think that's a bad thing. To make video game characters unrealistically attractive, whether they be male or female, is another way to make games fun and interesting. And yes, it does happen with male characters as well, though not geared towards sexualization as much they are definitely not always realistic.
Samus and Shantae aren't quite as bad, because they're not designed for maximum sex appeal; they're just people who happen to be good-looking individuals.
So because it's an industry and just doing what will sell well it's free from criticism? If so, that's pretty dumb if you ask me.
I feel Shadow the Hedgehog's biggest problem is that it's so damn repetitive, after that I'd say it's an average, or somewhat below-average game.
