Hai Im Fearless
Smash Lord
ive beaten our 3 best warios in mms and tourney
it's a lot of out-running-away
it's a lot of out-running-away
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Weekly Matchup Discussion - Mr. Game & Watch
- Thread starter DtJ Hilt
- Start date
Zori
Smash Champion
who are we doing next?
Llumys
Smash Champion
Toon Link would work, but I'd like to discuss Wolf, Sheik, or Zero Suit.
Zori
Smash Champion
k lets do toon link :]
Greward
Smash Lord
i dunno why do you want to do toon link if nobody is having problems with him and dabuz is asking for help against wario lol
I think we should do the matchups we are going to play more in tourneys and olimar has problems against...
I think we should do the matchups we are going to play more in tourneys and olimar has problems against...
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
How bout the ice climbers?
Zori
Smash Champion
good point......
Llumys
Smash Champion
We should simply go by the tier list.
Zori
Smash Champion
kinda too late for that
has any board actually finished a match up list for all match ups? something always happens to these topics
has any board actually finished a match up list for all match ups? something always happens to these topics
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
The game and watch discussion isn't actually over, is it? If you want to suggest the next matchup we discuss, do so in the main matchup thread, not this one.
smasher01
Smash Ace
Pivot grab ***** in this MU.
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
why thank you random MK main for telling us a summary of each and every post in this topic
Llumys
Smash Champion
LOL
Thank you indeed.
Thank you indeed.
MJG
Smash Hero
Olimar Boards have achieved "Pro Status"
Noa.
Smash Master
1st post
Long range: We win cause we can out camp him, forcing him to approach
Medium range: We still win with our grab range, F smash, spam
Short range: G&W wins, grab -> Dthrow -> Dsmash works if we don't tech. G&W Bair out prioritizes anything we have (not our upB) and eats our tiny sheild away. G&W can easily gimp us.
G&W advantages: G&W is overall faster, on the ground an in the air. We won't keep him away forever. His U air can work wonders against us.
Olimar advantages: Pivot grab all G&W's aerial approaches, his ground approaches aren't that amazing.
In the Air: G&W wins, Whistling doesn't work vs Bair, and he can Uair juggle us. Has superior air speed, and we have no momentum shift moves, therefore we can virtually not escape it.
So the gist of this match up is to Pivot grab literally everything he does. Whats he gonna do, throw bacon?
tldr;
Pivot grab G&W.
Llumys
Smash Champion
I think we're done. <_<;
Tin Man
Smash Hero
whats tldr?
I assume its some way of saying "summarize" but yeah what does it stand for?
I assume its some way of saying "summarize" but yeah what does it stand for?
Llumys
Smash Champion
Too long; didn't read.
You could've figured that out via search engine.
You could've figured that out via search engine.
MJG
Smash Hero
toonlink; defines **** =D
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
Well im pissed. I fight this G@w on the aib ladder actually using olimar. All he did was spam dair then fsmash. Then sometimes he'll bair out of nowhere. Then he just usmashes to kill when im high in the air. For some reason i cant ****ing punish him. I pivot grab his dair perfectly but for some reason he gets all these other hits on me afterwards. It was so gay. Was it wifi? Or do i just suck this much. Im sorry it sounds like im johning but seriously. Is G@W this gay on wifi or do i just suck.
Llumys
Smash Champion
Uhm, I've never in my life had trouble with his forward smash.
Zori
Smash Champion
tl;dr stands for too long didn't read
g&w is gay on wifi
g&w is gay on wifi
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
One more thing. What's a final verdict on stages? 
Top three neutrals? (since two will probably get struck)
Two or three CPs?
What do we ban? What should we prepare for?
I don't really mind whites in this matchup, tbh. GW approaching us with turtle is entirely different from GW getting pikmin off of him. Usually if GW is rushing to get off pikmin, he's open. And if he's coming at us with a turtle, and there's a white on him, he's gonna take some damage, and it's likely the turtle wont even hit the pikmin. Other than that, I don't really know. Purples are great in the matchup, as they always are. Yellows, I'm not sure if they're as good as they usually are for us, since we're going to out range him or he'll outrange us regardless of what pikmin we're attacking with, due to his disjointedness. Kinda like lucario, imo. I think the extra damage from Blues/Reds may be better for us.
Top three neutrals? (since two will probably get struck)
Two or three CPs?
What do we ban? What should we prepare for?
I don't really mind whites in this matchup, tbh. GW approaching us with turtle is entirely different from GW getting pikmin off of him. Usually if GW is rushing to get off pikmin, he's open. And if he's coming at us with a turtle, and there's a white on him, he's gonna take some damage, and it's likely the turtle wont even hit the pikmin. Other than that, I don't really know. Purples are great in the matchup, as they always are. Yellows, I'm not sure if they're as good as they usually are for us, since we're going to out range him or he'll outrange us regardless of what pikmin we're attacking with, due to his disjointedness. Kinda like lucario, imo. I think the extra damage from Blues/Reds may be better for us.
Llumys
Smash Champion
Ban Rainbow Cruise. :D How's Halberd as a counterpick int his match-up? I like the extra space in the second area.
I'm not sure about neutrals.
I'm not sure about neutrals.
Sky Pirate
The best defense is a lot of frigging healing
Aren't FD and SV better neutrals in this matchup since he can easily Nair through the platforms on BF and YI?
FD and SV also give us more room.
FD and SV also give us more room.
g&w is like unbeatable on wifi as oli, it's so **** hard.
NEUTRALS
1) yoshis -- mid platform kills his air game, or so it seems, just be wary of his diagonal dtilt on the edges when recovering
2) FD -- run spam moar :D :D :D :D :D
3) BF -- platforms, very nice to stay below him and run around with pivot grabs, it's a lot harder for him to fall through a platform and aerial us, since he has to wait until AFTER he passes below platform to aerial. this limits his air game and forces an approach from more of the side, = moar pivot grabs
Keep in mind, all neutrals are better for us in this mu than they are for G&W. So it doesn't matter what you pick, go for preferences imo, or fd. lylat if you like space, yoshis if you love pivot grab spamming
COUNTERPICKS
1) Halberd -- run awayyyy spam moar :D :D :D :D :D
2) FD -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
3) Neutrals.
To be honest, G&W has no bad stages, just make sure you ban rainbow cruise unless you are me or fino <3 it's all about preference. Bring him to a stage you are extremely fluent on or enjoy.
Oh, ban Brinstar if you are not good on that stage and would rather go to Rainbow Cruise. G&W mains usually love brinstar, and i can't agree that it's a good stage for oli, depends on your play style (me being a non-campy olimar i have no problems here, but extremely campy/defensive ones may have a lot of trouble here)
NEUTRALS
1) yoshis -- mid platform kills his air game, or so it seems, just be wary of his diagonal dtilt on the edges when recovering
2) FD -- run spam moar :D :D :D :D :D
3) BF -- platforms, very nice to stay below him and run around with pivot grabs, it's a lot harder for him to fall through a platform and aerial us, since he has to wait until AFTER he passes below platform to aerial. this limits his air game and forces an approach from more of the side, = moar pivot grabs
Keep in mind, all neutrals are better for us in this mu than they are for G&W. So it doesn't matter what you pick, go for preferences imo, or fd. lylat if you like space, yoshis if you love pivot grab spamming
COUNTERPICKS
1) Halberd -- run awayyyy spam moar :D :D :D :D :D
2) FD -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
3) Neutrals.
To be honest, G&W has no bad stages, just make sure you ban rainbow cruise unless you are me or fino <3 it's all about preference. Bring him to a stage you are extremely fluent on or enjoy.
Oh, ban Brinstar if you are not good on that stage and would rather go to Rainbow Cruise. G&W mains usually love brinstar, and i can't agree that it's a good stage for oli, depends on your play style (me being a non-campy olimar i have no problems here, but extremely campy/defensive ones may have a lot of trouble here)
Mr. Escalator
G&W Guru
To be fair I think Olimar does better on wifi than G&W lol.
Though this doesn't matter! I can't believe I missed this discussion.
I'm just going to throw in some quick input seeing as you guys are in fact wrapping this up.
G&W vs Olimar is actually a pretty **** even matchup, though I do think it's ultimately in our favor by like 55:45 or something; fighting Olimar is generally annoying, but if you play it right G&W has a slight mechanical advantage. Smart use of your pivot grab is something you'll want to be doing often.
Anyway, getting to the actual point being discussed, I think you should do this in stage striking. Assuming it's 5 starters you want to first get rid of Lylat and then BF. He'll likely get rid of FD and YI. Ultimately, it comes down to pure preference on both sides, as IcyLight said. I would personally always ban FD as a G&W in this matchup, and would much rather attempt to fight Olimar on platformed stages with the exception of YI unless I know the Olimar player dislikes it. SV is fine, but it's typically best to try and get to Lylat as G&W, or so I am of the opinion (I think it's a better starter than BF, but it gets banned first so often I don't get the chance to do a lot of matchups there).
As for bans, it depends on what's available and what you would rather prefer. If you are personally good on Brinstar go ahead and ban RC and vice versa, but each of them give him a solid advantage to work with. He likes both.
G&W should usually always consider banning FD first in most matchups, so your best CP usually lies in Halberd or other neutrals. Some Game & Watch players really like Halberd though so just make sure you are confident in your ability to play that stage.
Though this doesn't matter! I can't believe I missed this discussion.
I'm just going to throw in some quick input seeing as you guys are in fact wrapping this up.
G&W vs Olimar is actually a pretty **** even matchup, though I do think it's ultimately in our favor by like 55:45 or something; fighting Olimar is generally annoying, but if you play it right G&W has a slight mechanical advantage. Smart use of your pivot grab is something you'll want to be doing often.
Anyway, getting to the actual point being discussed, I think you should do this in stage striking. Assuming it's 5 starters you want to first get rid of Lylat and then BF. He'll likely get rid of FD and YI. Ultimately, it comes down to pure preference on both sides, as IcyLight said. I would personally always ban FD as a G&W in this matchup, and would much rather attempt to fight Olimar on platformed stages with the exception of YI unless I know the Olimar player dislikes it. SV is fine, but it's typically best to try and get to Lylat as G&W, or so I am of the opinion (I think it's a better starter than BF, but it gets banned first so often I don't get the chance to do a lot of matchups there).
As for bans, it depends on what's available and what you would rather prefer. If you are personally good on Brinstar go ahead and ban RC and vice versa, but each of them give him a solid advantage to work with. He likes both.
G&W should usually always consider banning FD first in most matchups, so your best CP usually lies in Halberd or other neutrals. Some Game & Watch players really like Halberd though so just make sure you are confident in your ability to play that stage.
Llumys
Smash Champion
Perhaps if you used another opening sentence I would've read that.
MJG
Smash Hero
Assuming that both the GnW main and the Olimar main knows the match up well, it should be roughly 55:45 Olimar or 50:50
The only possible problem I could see in this match up is not knowing how to play on stages that GnW excels at (like icy stated) and when olimar is above his opponent (Even worse in this match up since the GnW can combo with Nair IMO). Olimars already know that Pivot Grab will be their best friend
Oh..GnW sucks
Sky Pirate
The best defense is a lot of frigging healing
That actually brings up a good point.
From what I've seen, we have had a lot of Olimars and a Toon Link contributing.
Mr. Esc is the first G&W player. Perhaps we should invite people in more often to get the opposing viewpoint.
From what I've seen, we have had a lot of Olimars and a Toon Link contributing.
Mr. Esc is the first G&W player. Perhaps we should invite people in more often to get the opposing viewpoint.
Llumys
Smash Champion
I don't. <_<;
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
I know Dan, Drac, and myself usually do. They just usually don't come >.>
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
LLumys your the best! lolololololololololololololololololol
I actually found your remark funny for once.
Sky Pirate
The best defense is a lot of frigging healing
Awww... That's discouraging. ><;
Tin Man
Smash Hero
yeah we need input from the people that main the other characters
Top three neutrals? (since two will probably get struck):
FD (run and spam)
Yoshi's (Middle platform ruins G&W air game, and the ghost can potentially stop gimps
Lylat (The platforms also stop his air game (watch out for Dair, goes through)) and it is harder for G&W to recover cause of the stages edges.
Two or three CPs?
Halberd (Low ceiling helps us)
FD
Lylat
What do we ban? What should we prepare for?
Ban rainbow cruise, prepare for Jungle japes, and frigate
Top three neutrals? (since two will probably get struck):
FD (run and spam)
Yoshi's (Middle platform ruins G&W air game, and the ghost can potentially stop gimps
Lylat (The platforms also stop his air game (watch out for Dair, goes through)) and it is harder for G&W to recover cause of the stages edges.
Two or three CPs?
Halberd (Low ceiling helps us)
FD
Lylat
What do we ban? What should we prepare for?
Ban rainbow cruise, prepare for Jungle japes, and frigate
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
TBH, i would pick any neutral over halberd, its not bad BUT G&W gets kills mainly vertically, olimar can do both
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
GW taking us to Japes would be
pretty bad idea. As Dabuz said, he gets almost all of his kills vertically. Tbh, I really wouldn't mind Japes against him.