We Want Shiek

[SuperLink9]

Well, I'm not here to argue about continuity, or any of that. IMO continuity doesn't have any effect on Smash Bros, & never has. The only thing really stopping Shiek from being in the game is that many people are against Shiek taking up Zelda's moveset, or a chraracter slot.

Well, here's a flawless idea for Shiek's inclusion, I'm surprised I havn't seen anyone else mention it before, & if they have forgive me, I haven't read the thread.

There are 3 taunts yes? Well then why can't Zelda Transform into Shiek as her Down Taunt? There's absolutely no problem with it, Taunts aren't a moveset, Kirby's Taunt has a purpose (removing his hats) so why can't ONE of Zelda's? We all know that every character will now have 3 taunts, it wouldn't hurt Zelda in the slightest to have a Shiek transformation as her down taunt.

Then everyone's happy.

 

[Stryks]

Shiek IS the Zelda of OoT tho

Fixed

Shiek now is a minor character to the series as a whole... and this is a game of all stars... get what im saying?

 

[ikelegend93]

your right shiek is zelda and if they have zelda(which they do) they should have shiek
sry bout the whole spamming thing too, just to annoy peeps, not doing it anymore

 

[Stryks]

Ok by ur logic we'll have tetra from WW too... I mean Tetra IS zelda... go ahead try and counter this...

Shiek is a minor character, zelda has her TP design, they can easily give her the light arrows and take out the transformation...

 

[SuperLink9]

Shiek is popular in Melee, so being a minor character isn't a huge issue...

Besides, Shiek is one of the few main characters in a series with not many main characters. Also, Shiek being Zelda kinda helps that.

EDIT: DId you read my earlier post? They don't need to use B for transformations! Zelda can still have her light arrows AND Shiek.

& Tetra isn't such a popular character, personally though, there's no good reason not to have Tetra either. So go ahead Sakurai, put ONE of them in, there's no reason not to.

 

[Numa Dude]

Ok by ur logic we'll have tetra from WW too... I mean Tetra IS zelda... go ahead try and counter this...

Shiek is a minor character, zelda has her TP design, they can easily give her the light arrows and take out the transformation...

First off, Since Zelda and Tetra are the same person we do in fact technically have them both. We may not have a Tetra transformation but since they are the same thing it doesn't matter. Secondly, ZOMG SHEY HES DEH TEYPEE DECIGN EVY SINGAL TING MUT BEY TEEPEY RELATAD!!!!!111!!!1111 Smash isn't canon so this argument fails.

 

[ikelegend93]

thank you super link! strykrs your right tetra is zelda but just on a lower level than shiek and she hasnt been in any of the smashbros so there is no reason why they should bring her in but they could if they wanted too, just look at diddy kong, hes only been in two games really, diddy kong racing and diddy kong adventures

 

[SuperLink9]

I didn't know anyone agreed with my "Continuity means nothing in Smash Bros" argument o.o'

*Is a lot happier now*

 

[ikelegend93]

haha i do really, look at what i stated earlier

 

[error_alt_delete]

Shiek is popular in Melee, so being a minor character isn't a huge issue...

Besides, Shiek is one of the few main characters in a series with not many main characters. Also, Shiek being Zelda kinda helps that.

EDIT: DId you read my earlier post? They don't need to use B for transformations! Zelda can still have her light arrows AND Shiek.

& Tetra isn't such a popular character, personally though, there's no good reason not to have Tetra either. So go ahead Sakurai, put ONE of them in, there's no reason not to.

kirby loseing his powers, and zelda transforming are two seperate things. you cant have the transformation as a taunt, taunts arnt supposed to have any real use except to well....taunt. kirby is the exception because loseing his power doesnt even qualify to be a real "move", if it was, people would be ticked.

 

[Stryks]

Shiek is popular in Melee, so being a minor character isn't a huge issue...

Besides, Shiek is one of the few main characters in a series with not many main characters. Also, Shiek being Zelda kinda helps that.

EDIT: DId you read my earlier post? They don't need to use B for transformations! Zelda can still have her light arrows AND Shiek.

& Tetra isn't such a popular character, personally though, there's no good reason not to have Tetra either. So go ahead Sakurai, put ONE of them in, there's no reason not to.

It IS a huge issue, I mean falco is SICK in melee, so do you think they'll keep his clone moveset? obcourse not...

just because shes popular in melee it automatically means a sure spot in brawl, the game where she COMES FROM is now 10 years old (someone brings up pit, gaw and ICs ill prove u wrong in a hearthbeat, uve been warned) and shiek as a character is now minor to the series as a whole, true she IS zelda, but so is tetra, and shes newer, I mean they COULD add her since shes more recent...

BUT Zelda has her TP design, sure she MAY represent ALL the zeldas in general, but if thats the case, WHY would they give zelda, whose representing ALL the zeldas a 10 year old transformation that appeared in only one game?
and if shes being TP zelda, well TP zelda never had the training to become a shikah, thus if she transforms into shiek, it wouldnt make sense, after all TP takes HUNDREDS of years after OoT...

thank you super link! strykrs your right tetra is zelda but just on a lower level than shiek and she hasnt been in any of the smashbros so there is no reason why they should bring her in but they could if they wanted too, just look at diddy kong, hes only been in two games really, diddy kong racing and diddy kong adventures

... did he really just sayed that about diddy?... Wow... u know **** about nintendo games do you?

oh and superlink u should be VERY happy cause th most bias guy here agreed with you, way to go...

First off, Since Zelda and Tetra are the same person we do in fact technically have them both. We may not have a Tetra transformation but since they are the same thing it doesn't matter. Secondly, ZOMG SHEY HES DEH TEYPEE DECIGN EVY SINGAL TING MUT BEY TEEPEY RELATAD!!!!!111!!!1111 Smash isn't canon so this argument fails.

By ur logic we have wolf link in brawl, we have racoon mario, metal mario, spring mario, ice mario, Mr. L, Firekirby, sword kirby, ice kirby, corrupted samus, fusion samus, light suit samus, and so on...

also smash has to stay true to the characters and the games in which they come from, seriously its like we give samus the phazon beam without being corrupted or having the phazon suit, now making up moves doesnt count, but giving the character already known abilities in which the character cant use well... thats just silly...

 

[SuperLink9]

So? It's Zelda in her TP design. Sakurai SAYS THAT. He doesn't say "It's TP Zelda"

Continuity has no huge relevance in Smash Bros, there are LOADS of things in Smash Bros that go against continuity. Sakurai is making the game, so if he wants Shiek in it, then hell, Shiek is going to be in it. The popularity makes a HUGE difference, & since Shiek doesn't have a replacement, then she has no reason not to return.

kirby loseing his powers, and zelda transforming are two seperate things. you cant have the transformation as a taunt, taunts arnt supposed to have any real use except to well....taunt. kirby is the exception because loseing his power doesnt even qualify to be a real "move", if it was, people would be ticked.

Luigi's Taunt is a Meteor Smash, are people ticked about that? Seriously, there's nothing wrong with having a transformation as a taunt, Zelda & Shiek get a full moveset each, PLUS 2 exclusive taunts each. You don't NEED 3 taunts, they're just for Aesthetical purposes. I mean, why in heck would people complain about only having 2 taunts? Will people start saying Melee is crap because it only has 1 taunt per character? It's not even a move. That's why people were upset about it taking up Zelda's moveset in Melee. The 3 taunts feature is a perfect opportunity for everyone to be happy.

 

[raphtmarqui]

Fixed

Shiek now is a minor character to the series as a whole... and this is a game of all stars...wait...what the hell am i saying? This is Smash Bros. The characters in it aren't from one specific game but combinations from different games that they are in. Hence why the Zelda in Brawl has her TP costume but is using OoT magic.
So yea, i was wrong guys. Will you ever forgive me for being so arrogant?

Post fixed

 

[Stryks]

So WHAT if shiek is popular? her role in the zelda series as a WHOLE is minor now, and shiek DOES have a replacement they can just add tetra, something I dont see happening tough...

BUT they could just put the nayrus love as a down b, and give the light arrows as a simple B move... with stunning ability ala WW/TP...

also for the guy above me:

Yeha modifiying my post so it makes me say the contrary is SO mature, one thing is too add some stuff, another thing to COMPLETELY modify it...
Now WHY does zelda have OoT moves? well those moves she didnt use herself in OoT, BUT those moves are powers from the goddesses, zelda has more connection with the gods/goddesses than link or ganondorf has, she proves this in TP and in OoT, I dont recall WW tough but thats not the point, shes using powers from the goddesses, she has connection with these, thats fact...

another fact is shiek is a minor character now, and this is a game of all stars, so get that trough ur heads...

 

[SuperLink9]

Hey don't get me wrong, Stryks is entitles to an opinion too.

EDIT: That's what I'm SAYING. Zelda CAN HAVE a full move set, because the Shiek transformation would be PERFECT as a taunt.

If Shiek is popular, then it means the target audience wants her in the game. If that isn't a good reason to have her in, there's no good reason to have ANYONE in.

Because in the end, that's why a game is made with such care (if it is such a game) we know Brawl is being made with care, so it's being made to please the target audience.

 

[Numa Dude]

By ur logic we have wolf link in brawl, we have racoon mario, metal mario, spring mario, ice mario, Mr. L, Firekirby, sword kirby, ice kirby, corrupted samus, fusion samus, light suit samus, and so on...

I love how you always list a bunch of random character forms whenever I say this. a different form =/= different character. It's common sense and whenever you dissagree you are just showing your own stupidity.

also smash has to stay true to the characters and the games in which they come from, seriously its like we give samus the phazon beam without being corrupted or having the phazon suit, now making up moves doesnt count, but giving the character already known abilities in which the character cant use well... thats just silly...

Ness can use moves he could never use. Pikachu has 5 special moves if you count volt tackle which is impossible in the games. Zelda never used the goddess magic. Must I continue?

 

[SuperLink9]

I'll continue, since I think Pit is an excellent example. First of all his design is so different to how it was originally, you wouldn't know it was him unless he was called "Pit".

Also he never used Swords or energy arrows, just a regular bow & arrow.

 

[Stryks]

Hey don't get me wrong, Stryks is entitles to an opinion too.

EDIT: That's what I'm SAYING. Zelda CAN HAVE a full move set, because the Shiek transformation would be PERFECT as a taunt.

If Shiek is popular, then it means the target audience wants her in the game. If that isn't a good reason to have her in, there's no good reason to have ANYONE in.

Because in the end, that's why a game is made with such care (if it is such a game) we know Brawl is being made with care, so it's being made to please the target audience.

By ur logic well have koopa troopa, chain chomp, sora from kingdom hearts, the blue virus from doc mario and so on, I mean theyre ON the polls, lets add them!

no, why? cause theyre roles as characters in there games are minor, some are just enemies, and others just simply no...

shiek is now a minor character, simply made for the reason to hide zeldas identity, now that we KNOW the truth... theres now real reason to keep her now, why? because shes minor now, I DOUBT we'll see her again in a zelda game...

 

[raphtmarqui]

simply made for the reason to hide zeldas identity, now that we KNOW the truth... theres now real reason to keep her now, why? because shes minor now, I DOUBT we'll see her again in a zelda game...

Tetra was used to hide Zelda's identity. Yet even after they revealed the truth they still used her in Phantom Hourglass.
So that argument is dumb.

 

[SuperLink9]

ffs. Shiek's far less minor than them. Havn't you READ my posts? I said, Shiek is one of the ONLY main characters in a series that LACKS main characters, that, & Shiek IS Zelda.

Also, Shiek is popular in MELEE. None of those characters are, so why do they have any relevance WHATSOEVER to this argument?

Y'know what? I doubt we'll see Ice Climbers again in an Ice Climbers game. That's not stopping them from being in Brawl. Shiek is an important part of Zelda's history. Shiek was a minor character in MELEE as much as she is now, we've only had 5 Zelda games since Melee after all, none of which had hugely main characters either. Tetra... Midna... that's it. Midna's a minor character even now, just as Shiek was then, but Shiek was STILL IN MELEE.

 

[Stryks]

I love how you always list a bunch of random character forms whenever I say this. a different form =/= different character. It's common sense and whenever you dissagree you are just showing your own stupidity.

Ness can use moves he could never use. Pikachu has 5 special moves if you count volt tackle which is impossible in the games. Zelda never used the goddess magic. Must I continue?

So what? forms are similair to diferent versions to characters, thats what zelda-shiek is, look TP ZELDA=/= OoT SHIEk, there are two possibilities:

1) shes tp zelda

2) she represents all zeldas

1) if this is true, then she shouldnt have shiek, why? cause she never leanred how to become a shiekah, only reliying on magic, giving her an ability her ancestor knew, but not herself is dum

2) this is the likeliest scenario, if she represents ALL zeldas, then WHY.... WHY would she have a transformation from a 10 years old game in which only OoT zelda has used??

seriously I dont see ANY reasons other than:
Shes popular (which is only in the smahs community, not in the zelda series community)
she was in melee (which sakurai said HIMSELF not all melee character will return)

 

[Stryks]

crap double post *shoots foot*

Tetra was used to hide Zelda's identity. Yet even after they revealed the truth they still used her in Phantom Hourglass.
So that argument is dumb.

... Because tetra/zelda wanted to remain as tetra to not show her identity to her fleet of pirates... we know shes zeldas, but she reamined tetra at the end of the game, and being a SEQUEL she stayed just like she WANTED to in the finale of the WW game... they didnt reveal she was zelda again as a shocker like in WW now did they?

 

[SuperLink9]

Jesus, who is Sakurai making the game for?

The Zelda Community?

The Smash Community?

Who do you think? & by the way, Shiek is a popular character in the Zelda community anyway, up there with Midna & Linebeck. In many ways the Retro factor gives Shiek even more chance, she represents an important time for Zelda. Is Smash Bros not partly about series' history?

EDIT: And Shiek IS Zelda. Having her in is hurting NOONE Smash Bros placements.

Zelda remained Tetra because Hyrule's magic was what was keeping Tetra as Zelda. Tetra is her natural form, (i.e. she was born as Tetra) & Hyrule died.

EDIT2: Tetra doesn't CHOOSE to become Zelda like Shiek does.

 

[raphtmarqui]

WHY would she have a transformation from a 10 years old game in which only OoT zelda has used??

Because Shiek is already developed and theres no real reason to remove her.
Because at the end of the day this is a fighting game not a popularity contest and transform into Shiek makes for a better and more unique move then using stupid arrows (which is already done by 2 other characters in Brawl)

 

[Numa Dude]

So what? forms are similair to diferent versions to characters, thats what zelda-shiek is, look TP ZELDA=/= OoT SHIEk, there are two possibilities:

1) shes tp zelda

2) she represents all zeldas

1) if this is true, then she shouldnt have shiek, why? cause she never leanred how to become a shiekah, only reliying on magic, giving her an ability her ancestor knew, but not herself is dum

Sakurai said himself that it's Zelda in a TP design not TP Zelda. Next time read the dojo.

2) this is the likeliest scenario, if she represents ALL zeldas, then WHY.... WHY would she have a transformation from a 10 years old game in which only OoT zelda has used??

seriously I dont see ANY reasons other than:
Shes popular (which is only in the smahs community, not in the zelda series community)
she was in melee (which sakurai said HIMSELF not all melee character will return)

Okay you want reasons for Shiek to return here they are.

1. She adds to the originality of Zelda's moveset.

2. She was already in melee which means she would be easier to implement than a new character.

3. There is no reason to take her out.

4. The only people who don't want her to return suck at the game and blame cheap characters.

5. She represent the first 3D Zelda.

That enough for you?

 

[Teeb147]

Why is this still going on? I think sheik is significant enough to be left in, smash bros is not about continuity or whatever. Maybe she wont be in, but I still want her in, so you're entitled to your opinion, but I see no valid reason why she should be out.

 

[Stryks]

Sakurai said himself that it's Zelda in a TP design not TP Zelda. Next time read the dojo.

*Thats why I stated that 2) is the likeliest, I also said "if this is true" at the beginning of 1) next time read my post.

Okay you want reasons for Shiek to return here they are.

1. She adds to the originality of Zelda's moveset.
* What originality? we ALREADY have a CONFIRMED transformation character, samus-zamus, sure its diferent, but at the end what is it? a TRANSFORMATION

2. She was already in melee which means she would be easier to implement than a new character.
* So? Sakurai STATED that some melee character wont return, by ur logic lets keep ALL the characters, doc, pichu, roy, because at the they would be easier to implement than a new character...

3. There is no reason to take her out.
* Shes a minor character to the series as a whole, I dont get it, u say the midna is a minor character to the series as a whole, and u dont want her in, but u want shiek to return... umm, FAIL?

4. The only people who don't want her to return suck at the game and blame cheap characters.
* and the only ones that want her back are skilless players that use her just to win without breaking a sweat... ZING!

5. She represent the first 3D Zelda.
* Lets keep OoT link, OoT ganondorf, navy as an item, keep the hookshot, leave zelda as OoT zelda and add saria as a new character while were at it...
seriously u either run out of reasons or want to simply humiliate ursel- oh wait Happy mask salesman thread, too late...

That enough for you?
* yeah u SURE showed me[/sarcasm]

answers after *

 

[DreamScape]

Jesus, who is Sakurai making the game for?

The Zelda Community?

The Smash Community?

The game is for everyone... including people who never played Smashbros games before

Who do you think? & by the way, Shiek is a popular character in the Zelda community anyway, up there with Midna & Linebeck. In many ways the Retro factor gives Shiek even more chance, she represents an important time for Zelda. Is Smash Bros not partly about series' history?

Retro factor O_o no.. it's more like doesn't matter to the series anymore factor.. Can you say Ness?

EDIT: And Shiek IS Zelda. Having her in is hurting NOONE Smash Bros placements.

Shiek is OoT's and only OoT's Zelda, not anyother Zelda in anyother Zelda game... This is not about placements, it is about a character making sense or not...

Zelda remained Tetra because Hyrule's magic was what was keeping Tetra as Zelda. Tetra is her natural form, (i.e. she was born as Tetra) & Hyrule died.

Wait I didn't remember playing The Legend of Tetra: Phantom Hourglass...

 

[EPX2]

So what? forms are similair to diferent versions to characters, thats what zelda-shiek is, look TP ZELDA=/= OoT SHIEk, there are two possibilities:

1) shes tp zelda

2) she represents all zeldas

1) if this is true, then she shouldnt have shiek, why? cause she never leanred how to become a shiekah, only reliying on magic, giving her an ability her ancestor knew, but not herself is dum

2) this is the likeliest scenario, if she represents ALL zeldas, then WHY.... WHY would she have a transformation from a 10 years old game in which only OoT zelda has used??

Your argument makes absolutely no sense at all... you acknowledge that SSB Zelda is an amalgam of all Zeldas. So, how is it illogical that she can use a move that only one particular Zelda has demonstrated? It's not as if we're saying, "LOL, all of her moves should be derived from OoT exclusively." It's ONE move, not an entire moveset.

Shiek is OoT's and only OoT's Zelda, not anyother Zelda in anyother Zelda game... This is not about placements, it is about a character making sense or not...

Sheik is both a part of OoT Zelda and SSB Zelda. Since SSB Zelda is appearing in Brawl, what is the problem with her using a move she's already shown she can use in Melee?

 

[SuperLink9]

What about the Legend of Majora's Mask? ffs Zelda doesn't have a HUGE part in EVERY Zelda game just because she's in the title, I mean look at METROID Prime Hunters.

Any Metroids in the house? No. None. Zilch. Nada.

Shiek is OoT's and only OoT's Zelda, not anyother Zelda in anyother Zelda game... This is not about placements, it is about a character making sense or not...

We've already established that Continuity doesn't have a huge effect on Smash Bros.

Retro factor O_o no.. it's more like doesn't matter to the series anymore factor.. Can you say Ness?

Ness is the most famous Mother character ever, because he was released in more than one territory. He also may as well be an updated Ninten (main character of Mother)

Ness isn't in Brawl because Sakurai doesn't like him, & Ness has a replacement. Shiek DOESN'T.

The game is for everyone... including people who never played Smashbros games before

That I can agree with, but when Sakurai is making Smash Bros, does he think, "Now what would the Zelda community think of this?" or does he think "Now what does my entire fanbase think of this?"

So? Sakurai STATED that some melee character wont return, by ur logic lets keep ALL the characters, doc, pichu, roy, because at the they would be easier to implement than a new character...

FFS, you don't know how to make a point. THOSE CHARACTER ARE CLONES. Shiek is NOT a clone, NOR does she have any replacements. [yet]

What originality? we ALREADY have a CONFIRMED transformation character, samus-zamus, sure its diferent, but at the end what is it? a TRANSFORMATION

By originality, Numa Dude meant her MOVESET, as it's not clone, & is a rather quick ninja moveset, NO other characters like that, am I wrong?

 

[Stryks]

1) Your argument makes absolutely no sense at all... you acknowledge that SSB Zelda is an amalgam of all Zeldas. So, how is it illogical that she can use a move that only one particular Zelda has demonstrated? It's not as if we're saying, "LOL, all of her moves should be derived from OoT exclusively." It's ONE move, not an entire moveset.

Sheik is both a part of OoT Zelda and SSB Zelda. Since SSB Zelda is appearing in Brawl, what is the problem with her using a move she's already shown she can use in Melee?

1) Yeah I MUST have missed the cutscene were zelda use nayrus love, farores wind and dins fire agains ganon... MUST have...
AGAIn she has connection with the gods for christs sake

2) Because TP zelda doesnt have the training to become a shiekah, and if she represents ALL zeldas, why have a transformation only ONE of IDK a dozen zeldas had?

Superlink: "Ness isn't in Brawl because Sakurai doesn't like him, & Ness has a replacement. Shiek DOESN'T."
I like to see the part were sakurai said he hates Ness, and zelda has Tetra to replace Shiek, also I would like to see were it says: "Zelda MUST have a transformation to be zelda"

 

[Teeb147]

I really don't see why people dont want her in just because they consider her a minor character, I just want cool characters that are significant enough to be in brawl, and she fits that. No reason to kick her out.

Just like theres not a valid reason not to put Ridley, no valid reason not to put Ashley, no valid reason to kick Ness(altho they may do it, they decide) etc. Let's just support the characters we want in, the more the merrier, the only exception is for characters that were never on nintendo concoles such as master chief.

Now, everyone play nice.

 

[SuperLink9]

Because Shiek is POPULAR in the SMASH BROS series.

She has a connection with the gods, but no proof in game. It's irrelevant anyway, Smash Bros isn't about continuity.

 

[raphtmarqui]

That I can agree with, but when Sakurai is making Smash Bros, does he think, "Now what would the Zelda community think of this?" or does he think "Now what does my entire fanbase think of this?"

Exactly, continuity isn't the biggest deciding factor. Thats why characters have made up moves that they didnt have int their games.

 

[SiD]

Stop taking my words out of context, I said popularity wasn't enough to keep a character IN the game, I never said it wasn't what counted for the character to be included and I absolutely love how you compare Sheik to Geno to make it seem like you have a point, when in the end, is the same:

"I want Sheik back cause she's awesome and I love her"

Geno isn't owned by Nintendo, they would still go and ask for his rights just so that he can make a little cameo, Sheik is first party and they still won't put her anywhere in her series, plus, they have proven how they do keep their timeline with the Zelda series and not with the Mario series, you have with Mario stages even from the NES era, Zelda on the other hand just focuses on their recent games, as always, you people have to compare Sheik to other characters to have a point, pathetic.

Oh yes, comparing characters to other characters with a simlar situation. That's sooooo stupid.
-_-

Wow dude, you can't accept the fact that by your logic, Geno shouldn't be in Brawl either. He's even more outdated than Shiek, would be harder to put in because he's a newcomer AND he's third party, and your only reasoning is "He had a cameo once!!1!".

Oh yes, because a cameo in a silly *** game like Mario and Luigi is just the same as putting a cameo in a Zelda game. *Facepalm*

Your reasoning is sooo flawed, it's scary.


And everytime I make a good point against you, you resort to accusing me of thinking "She's awesome so I want her in."

You know **** well I've given more reasons than that. Calling me pathetic because I actually proved your own hypocrasy? Lol, your like an animal backed into a corner, so your forced to attack.

You hate Shiek, so you only want your reasoning to apply to her. And I'm the pathetic one? I'm the one who doesn't have good reasons? Yeah, nice try buddy. You proved yourself wrong already.

 

[Stryks]

Teeb:
"I really don't see why people dont want her in just because they consider her a minor character, I just want cool characters"

So u just want a character because theyre cool?... FAIL

anyway seriously if were JUST gonna add characters because of popularity and not because of theyre roles we would have had Sora and cloud confirmed AGES ago...

 

[DreamScape]

Sheik is both a part of OoT Zelda and SSB Zelda. Since SSB Zelda is appearing in Brawl, what is the problem with her using a move she's already shown she can use in Melee?

Ok I was refering to the legend of Zelda games only...But since you say that I 'll counter with:

THIS GAME IS NOT MELEE. THIS GAME IS NOT SMASH 64. THIS IS A NEW GAME.

So SSBM Zelda =/= SSBB Zelda.. That's why characters like Mario can have some different moves (especially new down B )

 

[SiD]

Stop taking my words out of context, I said popularity wasn't enough to keep a character IN the game, I never said it wasn't what counted for the character to be included and I absolutely love how you compare Sheik to Geno to make it seem like you have a point, when in the end, is the same:

"I want Sheik back cause she's awesome and I love her"

Geno isn't owned by Nintendo, they would still go and ask for his rights just so that he can make a little cameo, Sheik is first party and they still won't put her anywhere in her series, plus, they have proven how they do keep their timeline with the Zelda series and not with the Mario series, you have with Mario stages even from the NES era, Zelda on the other hand just focuses on their recent games, as always, you people have to compare Sheik to other characters to have a point, pathetic.

Oh yes, comparing characters to other characters with a simlar situation. That's sooooo stupid.
-_-

Wow dude, you can't accept the fact that by your logic, Geno shouldn't be in Brawl either. He's even more outdated than Shiek, would be harder to put in because he's a newcomer AND he's third party, and your only reasoning is "He had a cameo once!!1!".

Oh yes, because a cameo in a silly *** game like Mario and Luigi is just the same as putting a cameo in a Zelda game. *Facepalm*

Your reasoning is sooo flawed, it's scary.


And everytime I make a good point against you, you resort to accusing me of thinking "She's awesome so I want her in."

You know **** well I've given more reasons than that. Calling me pathetic because I actually proved your own hypocrasy? Lol, your like an animal backed into a corner, so your forced to attack.

You hate Shiek, so you only want your reasoning to apply to her. And I'm the pathetic one? I'm the one who doesn't have good reasons? Yeah, nice try buddy. You proved yourself wrong already.

 

[Super_alex2]

that sounds like a haiku... but with too many syllables

 

[EPX2]

1) Yeah I MUST have missed the cutscene were zelda use nayrus love, farores wind and dins fire agains ganon... MUST have...
AGAIn she has connection with the gods for christs sake

What are you talking about? I'm talking about Zelda in the SSB series, not in Twilight Princess, OoT, or whatever you're apparently referring to.

2) Because TP zelda doesnt have the training to become a shiekah, and if she represents ALL zeldas, why have a transformation only ONE of IDK a dozen zeldas had?

Because she's an amalgam of all Zeldas. What is so hard to grasp about this simple concept? Since when can you only represent all incarnations of a character from a franchise by using only moves all of them have in common? Hell, if anything, using specific abilities that only certain incarnations were able to use further proves the point that SSB Zelda is supposed to represent all Zeldas.