We Want Shiek

[Stryks]

Except those are clones of characters that already have those movesets. Shiek has an original moveset.

But he says they should keep her because she would be easier to implement than a new character, and isnt it the same for ANY character, seriously I mean look at ness, they could have just placed him, easier to implement... BUT ZOMG it seems hes been replaced by lucas, but but ness would be easier to implement and and *head explodes*

see were im going here?

Because Shiek is POPULAR in the SMASH BROS series.

She has a connection with the gods, but no proof in game. It's irrelevant anyway, Smash Bros isn't about continuity.

BUT SHE AINT IMPORTANT TO THE ZELDA SERIES ANYMORE, SHOULD WE KEEP FALCO AS HE IS IN BRAWL JUST BECAUSE HES POPULAR WITH HIS SPIKES AND SHL? NO!

 

[Stryks]

****IT AGAIN!*shoots other foot* my bad

Because she's an amalgam of all Zeldas. What is so hard to grasp about this simple concept? Since when can you only represent all incarnations of a character from a franchise by using only moves all of them have in common? Hell, if anything, using specific abilities that only certain incarnations were able to use further proves the point that SSB Zelda is supposed to represent all Zeldas.

Whats so har dto understand THAT ONLY ONE ZELDA HAS USED SHIEK AS A TRANSFORMATION, WHY SHOULD ZELDA THAT REPRESENTS ALL ZELDAS HAVE THIS TRANSFORMATION?!

also why not give zelda a move she has used mroe than once? LIGHT ARROWS

 

[kaliskonig]

Saying sheik is outdated is dumb seeing how that can be said about half the roster or potential returning characters.And seeing how Zeldas move ste is made up anyway giving her sheik shouldnt be a problem.
No I am not a Sheik user. Link/Ness/Lucas FTW.

 

[EPX2]

Ok I was refering to the legend of Zelda games only...But since you say that I 'll counter with: So SSBM Zelda =/= SSBB Zelda.. That's why characters like Mario can have some different moves (especially new down B )

That argument doesn't work because we already know as a fact that there are multiple Links and Zeldas in the LoZ franchise. As far as we know, there's only one continuity in the SSB series. What you're saying is akin to saying the Mario in Super Mario Galaxy is a completely different character than the Mario in Super Mario Bros. Same character, updated appearances, some new moves.

 

[Stryks]

Saying sheik is outdated is dumb seeing how that can be said about half the roster or potential returning characters.And seeing how Zeldas move ste is made up anyway giving her sheik shouldnt be a problem.
No I am not a Sheik user. Link/Ness/Lucas FTW.

Well for one shiek hasnt appeared in a zelda game since OoT, thats 10 years, I think u can say shes indeed outdated (bring up the retros and ill prove u wrong so badly, that goes for all)

 

[Numa Dude]

Next time seperate the quotes so it's easier for me to own your *******.

Thats why I stated that 2) is the likeliest, I also said "if this is true" at the beginning of 1) next time read my post.

You're still an idiot for including it in the first place.

What originality? we ALREADY have a CONFIRMED transformation character, samus-zamus, sure its diferent, but at the end what is it? a TRANSFORMATION

Zamus is a transformation that is forced upon you when you use the smash ball ITEM (emphasis on item) Zelda/Shiek was supposed to be a transformation that you had to go through in order to switch between fast attacks to strong knockback attacks. They ****ed this up royally but the theory is still sound. The 2 transformations are so different they should be incompareable.

So? Sakurai STATED that some melee character wont return, by ur logic lets keep ALL the characters, doc, pichu, roy, because at the they would be easier to implement than a new character...

Wow Stryks, just wow. The characters you listed are minor and don't deserve to come back. Shiek (for the billionth time) is Zelda and therefore deserves to come back.

Shes a minor character to the series as a whole, I dont get it, u say the midna is a minor character to the series as a whole, and u dont want her in, but u want shiek to return... umm, FAIL?

You are so stupid you make me want to kill people. Shiek=Zelda. I can't make it any more clearer than this. I refuse to repeat myself anymore after this.

and the only ones that want her back are skilless players that use her just to win without breaking a sweat... ZING!

I don't use Shiek nor do I play to win yet I want her to return because she is an original idea that should be brought back and fixed from melee. Zing right back at you.

Lets keep OoT link, OoT ganondorf, navy as an item, keep the hookshot, leave zelda as OoT zelda and add saria as a new character while were at it...
seriously u either run out of reasons or want to simply humiliate ursel- oh wait Happy mask salesman thread, too late...

I don't know which stupidity I should own first. Character model does not equal same character, Navy was never an item (but is in one of Link's taunts) Clawshot is the same as the hookshot just with a different name and look, Saria is to minor to the series and Happy Mask Salesman is a hell of alot better than alot of the gay characters you want like Mii's.

yeah u SURE showed me

YOU NOT U!

 

[SuperLink9]

BUT SHE AINT IMPORTANT TO THE ZELDA SERIES ANYMORE, SHOULD WE KEEP FALCO AS HE IS IN BRAWL JUST BECAUSE HES POPULAR WITH HIS SPIKES AND SHL? NO!

Dude.... "by ur logic" as you always say...

Mr Game & Watch isn't important to ANYTHING anymore, except Smash Bros. What about Shiek?

So u just want a character because theyre cool?... FAIL

anyway seriously if were JUST gonna add characters because of popularity and not because of theyre roles we would have had Sora and cloud confirmed AGES ago...
Oh FFS. Why does ANY character get in to Smash Bros?

#1 They're important to a series
#2 They're popular.
#3 They're ACTUALLY MADE BY NINTENDO.

WHY would Sora & Cloud have been announced ages ago!? We only JUST GOT Sonic announced, & there's still probably another 3rd party character to come! Cloud has no chance, seeing as FFVII has NEVER been on Nintendo, Sora has a chance but not as much as Megaman or Bomberman.

This isn't about 3rd party characters. They're a completely different thing. Wrong thread dude.

 

[kaliskonig]

Well for one shiek hasnt appeared in a zelda game since OoT, thats 10 years, I think u can say shes indeed outdated (bring up the retros and ill prove u wrong so badly, that goes for all)

Retros are a special case. Rather or not a character has appeared way back when should not be a factor in this argument. Zelda has a complete fictional moveset to our knowledge so she should still keep Sheik.
Not a strong argument but I think the Reason why she wasnt in the demo was because of Sheik.

 

[SuperLink9]

I think I speak for everyone when I say:

"Shiek is 10 years old, therefore he shouldn't be in it"

What is that logic? OK then, let's just say:

Mr Game & Watch shouldn't be in it.
Pit shouldn't be in it
Ice Climber shouldn't be in it

There! Now everyone's happy!

 

[raphtmarqui]

That Only One Zelda Has Used Shiek As A Transformation, Why Should Zelda That Represents All Zeldas Have This Transformation?!

The same reason why the zelda that represents all zeldas uses magic attacks that she never used before in her life (besides smash).

 

[DreamScape]

-The fact is that continuty is only an issue to Zelda and Zelda only...
-Link is suposed to represent the hero within you (a link betwen you and the game) so it doesn't talk and has no personality whatsoever apart of what you put in it...
-Every other character is the same character.. Mario is the same Mario Samus Peach... even Ganondorf...They are always the same! Same personality and with the same character development...

Zelda is the only true character in the Smash bros universe that, in her games, is a totally different person each time, with new and diferent character development... we can't say that continuity doesn't matter in SmasBros universe regarding this issue until Sakurai reveals or de-confirms Sheik!

As for replacements I think Zamus might be it! Sure you can say it's not completly similar.. well that can be the sheik nerfing... and regarding the moves similarities differencesNess/Lucas aren't exactly equal...

 

[Stryks]

Seriously dude, Sheik is zedla, but just in TP, ur saying shiek is TP zelda? WW/PH zelda is also shiek? AND tetra? let me guess, Minish cap zelda is shiek too, even tough shiek didnt even existed by the time of MC? jesus christ...

seriously ur using that single "fact"" against all arguement, BY UR LOGIC the wolf transformation of link is ALSO a transformation of OoT link, WW link and so on, yes its a transformation, a diferent from of link, just like shiek, a ninja like character, is a diferent form of zelda, a magic using princess...

This logic is stupid and has nothing to back it up, u say shiek is zelda, so automatically ALL zeldas are shiek? the zelda of SSBB represents all zeldas, but nto ALL the zeldas transform into shiek, only one...

"Wow Stryks, just wow. The characters you listed are minor and don't deserve to come back. Shiek (for the billionth time) is Zelda and therefore deserves to come back." ok one: Doc mario is the star of his onw series, sheik isnt
2: if I recall roy had a big role in one game, just like shiek
and u STILL say shiek should come back? YES I GET it shiek IS zelda, but THIS zelda of SSBB AINT an OoT ONLY zelda, its a zelda whose representung ALL of the rest, WHY should she HAVE a transformation used only ONCE, other than the fact that she was in melee, but sakuria STATED not ALL melee characters will return...

 

[Teeb147]

Teeb:
"I really don't see why people dont want her in just because they consider her a minor character, I just want cool characters"

So u just want a character because theyre cool?... FAIL

anyway seriously if were JUST gonna add characters because of popularity and not because of theyre roles we would have had Sora and cloud confirmed AGES ago...

You didn't even quote what I entirely said.

No I dont want her in just because she's cool. Shes significant enough to be in.

Sakurai puts characters in because of different reasons, and pays attention to what fans want

Lots of fans want her in. Stop being such a ***

 

[SuperLink9]

Zamus' moveset is entirely different to Shiek's. Honestly why do they always get compared? Can you see anything about them that's similar?

Agility? OK then, I think Fox replaces Shiek too.

Continuity doesn't matter in Smash Bros, I know every Zelda is different, but when you choose her it doesn't say "OoT Zelda!" It just says "Zelda."

Also, Sakurai said "It's Zelda, in her TP DESIGN" (Notice the word design)

Since when has Zelda used goddess magic in games? (She could have used them, alas she never did)
Since when has Pit had that look, a sword, or energy arrows?

*ahem* NEVER. Smash Bros isn't even set with the REAL characters. They're living trophies, if you NEED a story to explain it, that would be it. Basically that reinforces the game has not much continuity basis. It's an entirely different universe to every other game made by Nintendo. OoT Link TRANSFORMED into TP Link in the trailer. It's pretty much the same Link.

Anyway, I'm not bothered about arguing continuity, as far as I'm concerned, there's more than enough evidence against continuity in SSB.

EDIT: ALL Zeldas as in, Zeldas in GENERAL. There is NO REASON to not have Shiek.

Besides, there's no point in arguing. You're not making the game, I'm not making the game.

Sakurai is making the game, if he wants Shiek in it, then Shiek is bloody going to be in it.

End of.

 

[Stryks]

I think I speak for everyone when I say:

"Shiek is 10 years old, therefore he shouldn't be in it"

What is that logic? OK then, let's just say:

Mr Game & Watch shouldn't be in it.
Pit shouldn't be in it
Ice Climber shouldn't be in it

There! Now everyone's happy!

YES SOMEONE is MORE ******** than the rest:
Ok like I said, I would DESTROY anyojne that brings this up:

Pit comes from the NES/GB era
GaW comes from a game older than the NES
ICs come from the NES era

these guys come to smash to represent the old era of gaming, they dont NEED to be popular or well known, why? because theyre there for the fan service of game veterans, theyre here to represent the 1st consoles of nintendo, ur stupid by mentioning these guys, I mean they havent had a game in like what 20 years? but it doesnt matter, cause like I said, theyre representing The NES and anything old...

another thing, they were ALL the stars of theyre own games, shiek aint, so u just humiliated urself there, games like zelda and mario are continuing, while Kid Icarus, IC and GaW arent, those games that ended, theyre characters can be in smash, why? AGAIN to represent the old days, guys like Balloon fighter, Mach rider, bubbles, and other can get in SIMPLY because theyre retros, sakurai stated in one of the 1st interviews, that he loves retro characters, thats why he included pit in brawl and ICs in melee...

 

[Teeb147]

Zamus' moveset is entirely different to Shiek's. Honestly why do they always get compared? Can you see anything about them that's similar?

Agility? OK then, I think Fox replaces Shiek too.

Continuity doesn't matter in Smash Bros, I know every Zelda is different, but when you choose her it doesn't say "OoT Zelda!" It just says "Zelda."

Also, Sakurai said "It's Zelda, in her TP DESIGN" (Notice the word design)

Since when has Zelda used goddess magic in games? (She could have used them, alas she never did)
Since when has Pit had that look, a sword, or energy arrows?

*ahem* NEVER. Smash Bros isn't even set with the REAL characters. They're living trophies, if you NEED a story to explain it, that would be it. Basically that reinforces the game has not much continuity basis. It's an entirely different universe to every other game made by Nintendo. OoT Link TRANSFORMED into TP Link in the trailer. It's pretty much the same Link.

Anyway, I'm not bothered about arguing continuity, as far as I'm concerned, there's more than enough evidence against continuity in SSB.

EDIT: ALL Zeldas as in, Zeldas in GENERAL. There is NO REASON to not have Shiek.

Besides, there's no point in arguing. You're not making the game, I'm not making the game.

Sakurai is making the game, if he wants Shiek in it, then Shiek is bloody going to be in it.

End of.

Amen to that. Thats exactly how i see it.

 

[SuperLink9]

Then WHO is representing the N64 era? Huh stryks?! FFS. You're such a hypocrite.

 

[Numa Dude]

Seriously dude, Sheik is zedla, but just in TP, ur saying shiek is TP zelda? WW/PH zelda is also shiek? AND tetra? let me guess, Minish cap zelda is shiek too, even tough shiek didnt even existed by the time of MC? jesus christ...

This entire thing makes no sense. The Zelda in smash is all the Zelda's in one so continuity is not an issue. You make no sense at all and ignore perfectly good arguements.

seriously ur using that single "fact"" against all arguement, BY UR LOGIC the wolf transformation of link is ALSO a transformation of OoT link, WW link and so on, yes its a transformation, a diferent from of link, just like shiek, a ninja like character, is a diferent form of zelda, a magic using princess...

I don't see your point in this mess of stupidity.

This logic is stupid and has nothing to back it up, u say shiek is zelda, so automatically ALL zeldas are shiek? the zelda of SSBB represents all zeldas, but nto ALL the zeldas transform into shiek, only one...

You just PWNED yourself and don't realize it.

"Wow Stryks, just wow. The characters you listed are minor and don't deserve to come back. Shiek (for the billionth time) is Zelda and therefore deserves to come back." ok one: Doc mario is the star of his onw series, sheik isnt
2: if I recall roy had a big role in one game, just like shiek
and u STILL say shiek should come back? YES I GET it shiek IS zelda, but THIS zelda of SSBB AINT an OoT ONLY zelda, its a zelda whose representung ALL of the rest, WHY should she HAVE a transformation used only ONCE, other than the fact that she was in melee, but sakuria STATED not ALL melee characters will return...

Roy is minor to the FE series as a whole and Doc Mario has only a sub series of Mario. You keep repeating the same stuff over and over that has already been addresed by other people. Just give it up Stryks. You have failed at this debate just like everything else you try to do.

 

[Stryks]

Continuity doesn't matter in Smash Bros, I know every Zelda is different, but when you choose her it doesn't say "OoT Zelda!" It just says "Zelda."

*So why should Zelda have shiek if sheik is OoT exclusive?

Also, Sakurai said "It's Zelda, in her TP DESIGN" (Notice the word design)

Since when has Zelda used goddess magic in games? (She could have used them, alas she never did)
*TP to name one, she used the light gods magic, she used sage magic in the final fight with ganon, what im saying is she has connection with the uber beings.

Since when has Pit had that look, a sword, or energy arrows?
* Its an update of a look, seriously giving him a more realistic look after nearly 20 years without a game wont cause riots... and energy arrows? he used them in kid icarus, 1st game, anyway like I SAID giving someone NEW abilities that arent used in theyre games are no problem, its for the moveset, but giving someone an ability that has appeared in the games but can used them him/herself is pointless...

*ahem* NEVER. Smash Bros isn't even set with the REAL characters. They're living trophies, if you NEED a story to explain it, that would be it. Basically that reinforces the game has not much continuity basis. It's an entirely different universe to every other game made by Nintendo. OoT Link TRANSFORMED into TP Link in the trailer. It's pretty much the same Link.
*... they were showing theyre new looks genius, saying theyre the same link is stupid...


Anyway, I'm not bothered about arguing continuity, as far as I'm concerned, there's more than enough evidence against continuity in SSB.
*WHAT EVIDENCE? WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT?

EDIT: ALL Zeldas as in, Zeldas in GENERAL. There is NO REASON to not have Shiek.
*Yeha I missed the part were ALL the zelda transform in shiek... by ur logic she should have ANOTHER transformation into tetra...

Besides, there's no point in arguing. You're not making the game, I'm not making the game.

Sakurai is making the game, if he wants Shiek in it, then Shiek is bloody going to be in it.
*and if he wants shiek out then shes out rite?
by ur logic lets just closed the forums down there no point in debating anything since sakurai is making the game and what ever he says goes, our opinion means **** rite?

End of.
*rite

answeres after*

 

[EPX2]

****IT AGAIN!*shoots other foot* my bad



Whats so har dto understand THAT ONLY ONE ZELDA HAS USED SHIEK AS A TRANSFORMATION, WHY SHOULD ZELDA THAT REPRESENTS ALL ZELDAS HAVE THIS TRANSFORMATION?!

Are you ignoring my posts or something? I answered your question twice.

Explain to me why it's illogical for a Zelda who represents all Zelda to use an ability that at least one Zelda is known to also have.

also why not give zelda a move she has used mroe than once? LIGHT ARROWS

Isn't that a move that only TP Zelda used? Which would contradict your entire point? (I'm genuinely unsure if only TP Zelda used the arrows, so correct me if I'm wrong).

seriously ur using that single "fact"" against all arguement, BY UR LOGIC the wolf transformation of link is ALSO a transformation of OoT link, WW link and so on, yes its a transformation, a diferent from of link, just like shiek, a ninja like character, is a diferent form of zelda, a magic using princess...

Actually, by our logic, the Sheik transformation of OoT Zelda is also a transformation of SSB Zelda. You're making the incorrect assumption that we're saying that all abilities used by Zelda in the SSB series are also used by all Zeldas in the LoZ series.

 

[Stryks]

This entire thing makes no sense. The Zelda in smash is all the Zelda's in one so continuity is not an issue. You make no sense at all and ignore perfectly good arguements.
*What good arguements?:
Shiek=zelda thus sheik should come back
OMG BSET AGUMINT 3VA!!1!!1one
seriously that makes no sense,

I don't see your point in this mess of stupidity.
I could say the same of ur ENTIRE HMS thread... but deep inside u know it as well...

You just PWNED yourself and don't realize it.
Rite...
SSBB zelda represent all zeldas, again ALL zeldas, why should she have the shiek transformation then if only OoT used it?

Roy is minor to the FE series as a whole and Doc Mario has only a sub series of Mario. You keep repeating the same stuff over and over that has already been addresed by other people. Just give it up Stryks. You have failed at this debate just like everything else you try to do.
* So is shiek, she was only there for a diguise in OoT, seeing how half if not more of the wolrd know shiek is zelda in disguise in OoT only, why would they add her in future games,if we know her identity? Hello minor character
* Cause u always bring up the same crap:
shiek=zelda when in reality: shiek= OoT zelda, shiek aint ALL the zeldas...
* THIS is coming from the guy that:

Made the HMS thread
Says that Midna had a small role in TP
doesnt know the actual meaning of retro, and believes that in gaming, anything below the new gen consoles is retro
wants skull kid after nearly 10 years from his game
wants some clown as an enemy for wario
believe happy mask salesman is better than Mii...

yeah I fail...

everything after*

 

[Teeb147]

answeres after*

You're an idiot if you think your answers were valid.

I predict Sheik's going to be in one way or another as a pc even if zelda doesn't transform into her.

 

[Numa Dude]

I refuse to anwser someone who can not take 5 seconds to seperate the quotes.

 

[SuperLink9]

OMG. Can you stop saying "U" instead of "you", & stop saying "by ur logic" it's just an annoying way of bringing up the same arguments over & over.

and if he wants shiek out then shes out rite?
by ur logic lets just closed the forums down there no point in debating anything since sakurai is making the game and what ever he says goes, our opinion means **** rite?

Yes, "by mi logic" if he wants Shiek out, she's out, just like what happened to Ness.

& no, this character forum is about SPECULATION of what the outcome will be, sure our opinions matter, but in the end Sakurai probably isn't a huge Zelda fan, & continuity doesn't matter in a game that's almost entirely unrelated to the proper Zelda series.

Its an update of a look, seriously giving him a more realistic look after nearly 20 years without a game wont cause riots... and energy arrows? he used them in kid icarus, 1st game, anyway like I SAID giving someone NEW abilities that arent used in theyre games are no problem, its for the moveset, but giving someone an ability that has appeared in the games but can used them him/herself is pointless...

by "ur" logic, Shiek can be redesigned.

.. they were showing theyre new looks genius, saying theyre the same link is stupid...

It IS the same Link! This is Smash Bros, not Zelda. It's the SMASH BROS Link. Put it this way, Brawl is a direct sequel to Melee, just as Majora's Mask is a direct sequel to OoT. by "ur" logic that sounds right.

Yeha I missed the part were ALL the zelda transform in shiek... by ur logic she should have ANOTHER transformation into tetra...

By my logic I don't care if Tetra's in it. Did you read? I said ZELDA IN GENERAL. Not related to the Zelda games, whatever Sakurai wants, whatever.

EDIT: Since Strykes clearly ignored my other point due to not being able to answer it,, here it is again:

Then WHO is representing the N64 era? Huh stryks?! FFS. You're such a hypocrite.

 

[raphtmarqui]

SSBB zelda represent all zeldas, again ALL zeldas, why should she have the shiek transformation then if only OoT used it?

The same reason Mario uses Fludd when he only uses it in one game.
The same reason why Shiek was a transformation for Zelda in Smash in the first place.

 

[Stryks]

Explain to me why it's illogical for a Zelda who represents all Zelda to use an ability that at least one Zelda is known to also have.

*It AINT logical, all zeldas have connection with the gods, thus most of the b moves: check
Zelda has used the light arrows more than once, becoming a reocurirng move for all: lets add it
OoT transformation: WTF
giving a transformation that only one zelda used isnt rite, shes representing all zeldas, giving her shiek is like saying OoT is more important than the rest, and needs rep, when in melee OoT had a load of rep, why should it have rep AGAIN after 10 years? TP and WW should be the ones with rep this time around, I mean theyre the most recent, and it seems its happening, hearth container with TP look, zelda and link with tp look, magic less spin attack like in TP... it seems this time around TP is for brawl what OoT that was for melee...


Isn't that a move that only TP Zelda used? Which would contradict your entire point? (I'm genuinely unsure if only TP Zelda used the arrows, so correct me if I'm wrong).

*WW zelda also used Light arrows, ZING


Actually, by our logic, the Sheik transformation of OoT Zelda is also a transformation of SSB Zelda. You're making the incorrect assumption that we're saying that all abilities used by Zelda in the SSB series are also used by all Zeldas in the LoZ series.

*U guys want shiek in brawl, is doesnt make sense, shes using TP design and she represents all zeldas, theyre couldnt be a more wrong combination for shiek is she transforms, she was only a transformation for one zelda, and TP zelda transforming into OoT shiek is just wrong...

answers after *

 

[SuperLink9]

The same reason Mario uses Fludd when he only uses it in one game.

I think this post is made of win. That sums up everything does it not?

 

[flyinfilipino]

The same reason Mario uses Fludd when he only uses it in one game.
The same reason why Shiek was a transformation for Zelda in Smash in the first place.

Winner! ...

Game continuity does not matter in Smash, representation through unique movesets for fun battles does.

 

[Stryks]

"Then WHO is representing the N64 era? Huh stryks?! FFS. You're such a hypocrite."

... N64 aint retro... >.> SNES is barely considered retro, i dont see any N64 era, retro characters are those from the nes era and below, maybe some SNES are considered retro but thats up for debate, seriously whats ur point? theres not N64 only character confirmed yet... numa believes that retro is all past gens, while in reality retros are NES and below,some consider SNES but like I said its up for debate...

seriously wtf

"by "ur" logic, Shiek can be redesigned."
Yeah keep bashing my grammar, its the 1st sig of fail...
Shiek aint retro for christs sake shes from the N64...

"It IS the same Link! This is Smash Bros, not Zelda. It's the SMASH BROS Link. Put it this way, Brawl is a direct sequel to Melee, just as Majora's Mask is a direct sequel to OoT. by "ur" logic that sounds right."
This is smash bros, but seriously what happend in zelda or the other series affects smash, links moves and look update proves this, yes brawl is a sequel to melee, but saying melee link changes his voice, got new clothes, new items and a darker hairdo is stupid, its TP link design representing all links...

"The same reason Mario uses Fludd when he only uses it in one game.
The same reason why Shiek was a transformation for Zelda in Smash in the first place."

Mario: same mario in all of his games
Zelda: diferent zelda in most of the games
FAIL

Seriously im tired of this, numa u coward just freaking respond, im out if anyone wants to continued this pointless debate thats fine by me, but facts are shiek is a minor TRANSFORMATION, and shouldnt return...

 

[flyinfilipino]

"The same reason Mario uses Fludd when he only uses it in one game.
The same reason why Shiek was a transformation for Zelda in Smash in the first place."

Mario: same mario in all of his games
Zelda: diferent zelda in most of the games
FAIL

Seriously im tired of this, numa u coward just freaking respond, im out if anyone wants to continued this pointless debate thats fine by me, but facts are shiek is a minor TRANSFORMATION, and shouldnt return...

Fact is that Zelda could transform into Sheik in Melee, and you say that she's supposed to be representing all Zeldas. Your point is not valid. There's no good reason for their not to be a Sheik transformation in Brawl, but if Sakurai decides to leave it out, that's fine.

 

[Numa Dude]

numa u coward just freaking respond

I refuse to respond to someone who is not only illiterate but ignores perfectly good arguments, repeats himself over and over no matter how destroyed his argument is and is too **** lazy to press the thing at the top of the go advance screen for quotes. Since you basically reword your arguments forever I have no need to respond. All someone has to do is look back to see how much you suck.

 

[Teeb147]

ALRIGHT LISTEN.

Just because Zelda is TP design doesnt mean shiek shouldnt be in, she could be in another way ,perhaps as a stand alone character, there many possibilities alright? Your points are your opinion only.

 

[SuperLink9]

You're such a hypocrite, you said "From 10 years ago", well Sunshine will be a good 5 years ago soon, & when Melee came out Kid Icarus wasn't too much older than 10. N64 IS retro, it's 2 gens on already, even the GC is retro, because that's what the definition of a Retro console would say.

I'm bashing "ur" grammar because it gives me a headache, & this is a forum not a chat room.

It's BECAUSE Shiek is a tranformation that she SHOULD return. There are virtually NO problems with it, being in Zelda's moveset & all.

OK, what about this.

Squirtle, Charizard & Ivysaur are just 3 Pokémon out of 493. *cough* yeah, but they're in it, even though they're so "minor". So how exactly did they get in it?

 

[raphtmarqui]

I refuse to respond to someone who is not only illiterate but ignores perfectly good arguments, repeats himself over and over no matter how destroyed his argument is and is too **** lazy to press the thing at the top of the go advance screen for quotes. Since you basically reword your arguments forever I have no need to respond. All someone has to do is look back to see how much you suck.

Yea im done with him and his ******** posts.

 

[Teeb147]

Yea im done with him and his ******** posts.

Ever since joining this forum, Ive discovered a new level of stupidity in the world thanks to the internet.

 

[EPX2]

Could you stop responding in your quotes? It's really messy, hard to read, and makes it annoying to reply.

*It AINT logical...

Okay, so then what's the issue?

Zelda has used the light arrows more than once, becoming a reocurirng move for all: lets add it

It was used by Zelda in two games - there's been far more than two Zelda games in the series. If you're going to claim that all Zeldas use the light arrows, I could claim that the Sheik transformation is also a recurring move.

OoT transformation: WTF
giving a transformation that only one zelda used isnt rite, shes representing all zeldas, giving her shiek is like saying OoT is more important than the rest, and needs rep, when in melee OoT had a load of rep, why should it have rep AGAIN after 10 years? TP and WW should be the ones with rep this time around, I mean theyre the most recent, and it seems its happening, hearth container with TP look, zelda and link with tp look, magic less spin attack like in TP... it seems this time around TP is for brawl what OoT that was for melee...

I like the glaring contradiction. "Including Sheik means that you're saying OoT is more important than the rest of the games - instead, let's exclusively represent the most recent Zelda games because they're obviously the most important games."

Why should OoT have representation in Brawl? Because it's a critically-acclaimed game, widely considered to be the best LoZ game, among other several reasons. Besides, why *shouldn't* it be repped? I understand that the burden of proof is on myself, but the fact that it's 10 years old is irrelevant - it's still a classic game and one of the most prominent and defining games of the Legend of Zelda franchise... as well as the N64 era.

Regardless, you realize all of those differences you brought, for the most part, are nothing more than aesthetic changes? The heart container will likely work exactly (or very similar) to how it did in Melee. While Link's moves have gained a few new attributes, they still function largely the same as they did in Melee.

Sakurai is updating the appearances - and not necessarily their attributes - of Zelda-related items, characters, and moves to match Twilight Princess.

*WW zelda also used Light arrows, ZING

Hardly any difference. It's a move that only two of several Zeldas have used, which still contradicts your point that moves that only certain Zeldas have used shouldn't be included in Brawl.

*U guys want shiek in brawl, is doesnt make sense, shes using TP design and she represents all zeldas, theyre couldnt be a more wrong combination for shiek is she transforms, she was only a transformation for one zelda, and TP zelda transforming into OoT shiek is just wrong...

Except this isn't TP Zelda. Case closed.

... is too **** lazy to press the thing at the top of the go advance screen for quotes

Whoa. I had no idea there was a tool for that... I've been doing that manually ever since I joined. >_>

 

[SuperLink9]

Welcome to forums + internets.

But let's not go overboard with the personal attacks.

 

[Teeb147]

Welcome to forums + internets.

But let's not go overboard with the personal attacks.

It's interesting though.
I think most cases like this is just people being stubborn for invalid reasons that they believe. Or rather, too stubborn about a point of view.

 

[SuperLink9]

I know lots like that, so certain that their view is right & that noone else is entitled to an opinion, won't take no for an answer & will pick out the tiniest errors in your post to try & make a fool of you.

 

[ikelegend93]

ya most people are stubborn in thesse forums, geeze....