Walgreens Mafia - DRAW game - The mod ****ed up pretty bad...=/

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

There are a number of reason for why my posting isn't consistent, it's most irl stuff, I got an exam in 3 days and I've been working a lot more recently, so I apologize for that.

Bah, I don't like that summary, AA. You're going way too much for the "good point = pro-town" route, which is huge fallacy. All of the "good points" Rajam made could've been made by scum, easily.

Still what do you think of the Rajam's posts in that summary?

For me, I don't read it as town if not the opposite at certain points.

 

[#HBC | J]

Which points are these, "certain points" RR and why do you seem them as opposite of AA? What do you think of AA if you are seeing completely the opposite of him? =D

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Prod-responding



I think it was a pressure vote. It was still early in the game and he got easily convinced, just putting his vote a minute later after your case against Sokr, as Gorf pointed out. I still have that moment sorta fresh in my memory and the sheeping didn't strike me as scummy

Not really fully convinced of going against JM toDay. I need to do some rereads but just from the point of my head I think the best play for toDay is July/J

I didn't see any explanation here for these reads, shows to me more of a lack of commitment overall.

I don't understand the urge to use Kantrip's ability, instead of following the normal course of Days, Nights, lynches, Night Kills. Even if Kantrip bombing WL produces 1 town and 1 scum down (with WL being scum, and 1 scum - 1 town being a good exchange), we'd have only a few days left for deciding who to lynch, instead of a full Day for deciding the same. Even with a 1-1 exchange, if we would've mislynch then, and plus Night Kills, we'd just lose the initial advantage of the 1-1 exchange. Using a full Day (next Day) + 1 scum down via lynch + Night Kill(s) seems a lot wiser to me than deciding who to lynch using only a full rl days + 1 scum down + 1 town down + yet someone to lynch + Night Kill(s).

I didn't like the reasoning for not using the ability, Rajam/Gorf was going to be the fallback if Kantrip was telling the truth about his ability and this gives me a self survival feel with how the events could have played out if this was legit.

I'm reading how a 1-1 of town for scum is bad...which makes no sense to me since after doing that, even a NL wouldn't have been bad even with going for a lynch suddenly.

~

AA and Rajam are scum reads atm, the only problem is I can't see either aligned with each other even more so with AA play on Rajam.

 

[asianaussie]

I don't think he's scum either.

AA, do you think JM is scum or not. Please answer this.

idk about scummy but i don't get any town vibes from him at all

he was also half the reason i (and probably some other people, dunno) completely neglected rajam for a good period of time with his constant posts on how rajam was a joke...im also quite guilty of that, but hey, that's changed by now (hopefully)

I keep trying to re-read AA's post but I am like getting nothing indicative of alignment from his posts and smacks him in the middle of my null list with like nothing to go off of. Grrr infuriating.

AA, who should we lynch in your opinion? Let's say you have Gorf's gun, who would you shoot in this very second?

JM probably, or maybe Tblock

just to move the game along

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, who are the inactive players we should maybe lynch?

T-Block

Unvote Vote T-Block

Still what do you think of the Rajam's posts in that summary?

They were useless then, they're useless now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gorf, if two people die toNight I'm going to assume that you're SK for sure. If you're Vig you're not shooting toNight.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Gorf, if two people die toNight I'm going to assume that you're SK for sure. If you're Vig you're not shooting toNight.

Agreed

I feel betrayed. ;____;

You should! I was lazy, playing Sims and studying for my maths test (which incidently I did pretty well on). Instead, here is my c

Right off the bat, T-block claimed miller status. That's fine, except... There already was a miller, who then counterclaimed. Also he was pointing towards a No Lynch.
It would've been fine if he said he was trying for a gambit here, but he did not. It took Kantrip claiming terrorist and threatening to bomb him for T-block to claim his gambit.

yeah i don't know what i'm doing either

i rode it out because the claim would still have fulfilled its purpose

i did it to dodge the NK

Claiming "there is more to my ability" when I asked you why you were claiming a vanilla miller implied you were either a Power Role or implying that you were a Power Role. This is a direct contradiction to "dodging the NK".

Which T-block then writes off as WIFOM. Because there is nothing else to which he could write it off to make it look townie. Kantrip was dead-on right here, claiming normal miller and not alluding to PR's would've been so much better than WIFOM. It might be WIFOM, but it is far from in his favor. Calling it like he put it is .

His whole intent was to ride out the miller claim, which has INFINITE benefits as scum and barely any as town. ​

This combined with his glaring inactivity (and yes I've seen you view the thread more than enough!!!) and us still having no idea really of his stances in D2, other than wanting to lynch me, make me want to lynch T-block badly.

My gut just says his miller claim doesn't add up and I know I'm not the only one.

 

[#HBC | J]

His whole intent was to ride out the miller claim, which has INFINITE benefits as scum and barely any as town. ​

This combined with his glaring inactivity (and yes I've seen you view the thread more than enough!!!) and us still having no idea really of his stances in D2, other than wanting to lynch me, make me want to lynch T-block badly.

Couldn't the exact same thing be said for RR? Like honestly, you can switch TB and RR's name in your paragraph and it would still be true. =P

 

[Jim Morrison]

Except RR is still the miller and T-block isn't. Also, RR counterclaimed. Scum counterclaiming miller for no apparent reason that early in the game just seems very unlikely. As soon as either T-block got lynched, he'd be lynched too unless he was a smooth talker. The incentive to counterclaim miller would be almost none. It's not worth it to sacrifice yourself to take out a miller.
This is why RR had didn't have scum incentive, but T-block did.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

T-Block unclaimed Miller so he lied either way. There's a chance RR is lying too but I thin T-Block is the play toDay.

 

[Rockin]

Day 2​

Jim Morrison (1) - Gorf,

J (2) - Rajam, Adsioh

Red Ryu (1) - J

T-block (1) - Jim Morrison. Gheb

Not Voting - Asianaussie, T-block, Red Ryu,

With 9 players, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is on Feb. 16 2012

Rajam and T-block has been prodded

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You know, I'm curious.

Vote: T-Block

I'm sort of fishing with this, and I don't think he is scum but I do need him to claim so I can make sure I was right about this with his intent at the beginning. If I was wrong, he goes right on my scum list.

 

[Jim Morrison]

You don't think he's scum now. But you want him to claim.

Why can't you just believe him to be town without getting him to claim, if you don't think he's scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's all dependent on it.

Depending on what he says depends on my read on him, a large reason for me thinking he was town was why he did his gambit, if I'm wrong with my guess my read will change with it.

 

[Rajam]

gorf you're reaching =\

Some points are, some not. But the thing that bugs me the most about JM is that he chose to go against Kantrip in the Kantrip vs Sokr issue at the end of D1, when Kantrip "guessed" WL's role.

JM what happened with that there? How did you weight Kantrip "guessing" WL's role when deciding on D1's lynch?

As I said I still think J is the play toDay, but I'm not closing the JM's option if I get convinced on it.

---

Sorry also about my inactivity. I'll be dedicating these days to Mafia so I'll be posting and reading more

 

[Jim Morrison]

Some points are, some not. But the thing that bugs me the most about JM is that he chose to go against Kantrip in the Kantrip vs Sokr issue at the end of D1, when Kantrip "guessed" WL's role.

JM what happened with that there? How did you weight Kantrip "guessing" WL's role when deciding on D1's lynch?

I factored in what I knew about each player and decided leaving WL to live to D2 would be the better choice. There's really not much more I can say, I just said "okay" to the bulletproof part, and then went on with my life.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Also, lel, can you please ask this question to the other 5 who helped me lynch Kantrip?

 

[Rajam]

Also, lel, can you please ask this question to the other 5 who helped me lynch Kantrip?

Day 1​

Rajam (1) - July,

Washedlaundry (3) - Assianaussie , Rajam, , Gheb

Kantrip (7) - Washedlaundry, Gorf, Jim Morrison, Adsioh, Kantrip,T-block. Red Ryu

Not Voting - Mentosman

With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in Jan. 30th 11:59 PM

The game is now in Twilight.

Lynch scene shall be posted soon

Let's see...

WL -> town

Gorf -> Reasons match his role and actions based on his claim

JM -> Already asked

Asdioh -> mmm I have Asdioh as town so that's why I'm not really questioning him too much, but I think I can do the same question since he was a key vote when deciding either Kantrip or Sokr/WL

Asdioh, how did you weight Kantrip "guessing" WL's role when deciding on D1's lynch?

Kantrip -> town

T-block -> Went after Kantrip to ensure a lynch, after Asdioh took the decision early

Red Ryu -> Same as T-block

Others: July went inactive even before Sokr replaced out, mentos was inactive and we know now is town, and me + Gheb had reasons to go against WL. Not sure about aa but I guess the vote is ok and I'll check later how he decided upon that vote.

I think there is something else important to consider I'm remembering now: Asdioh took the decision of going against Kantrip when the votes were basically divided between him and WL. I wonder how dead-set were the votes/reasons in that moment that basically no one was willing to shift. I'll check that later but any help reviewing that would be appreciated. Important stuff to check regarding that moment would be:

- Why Asdioh had to make the decision. Who passed that responsibility on him, and if that "pass" was scummy or justified
- We know now both Kantrip and Sokr/WL were town. Scum had two choices:
1° lynching WL would get rid of an eventual BP role
2° lynching Kantrip would provoke a 1-2 combo for lynching WL next Day since Kantrip said his "guessing" on WL's role was a gambit

Imo reason 2° is more "telling" since scum would've just lynched "BP" WL D2 "for free". Hence my main lynch candidates for toDay are July 1st, then JM 2nd but only if July's lynch isn't going to happen. On a far 3rd place is aa which I need to do a reread to check his flow of reasoning/actions

 

[Jim Morrison]

Rajam, I think you're fishing for power roles.

 

[Rajam]

Rajam, I think you're fishing for power roles.

And how?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Scratch I think, Rajam, you're fishing for power roles.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I don't need to explain it, you can evidently see it too.
Gorf made his decision based on his role. You're looking for our decisions, possibly based on our role. I can see the town intent behind you asking it, but I don't think going down that path would be productive.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Don't see where he's been rolefishing and his post offers some solid insight. I like my vote on T-Block even more now.

 

[Asdioh]

- Why Asdioh had to make the decision. Who passed that responsibility on him, and if that "pass" was scummy or justified
- We know now both Kantrip and Sokr/WL were town. Scum had two choices:
1° lynching WL would get rid of an eventual BP role
2° lynching Kantrip would provoke a 1-2 combo for lynching WL next Day since Kantrip said his "guessing" on WL's role was a gambit

Imo reason 2° is more "telling" since scum would've just lynched "BP" WL D2 "for free". Hence my main lynch candidates for toDay are July 1st, then JM 2nd but only if July's lynch isn't going to happen. On a far 3rd place is aa which I need to do a reread to check his flow of reasoning/actions

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, I just remember that I thought Kantrip and WL (Sokr..) could be easily seen as scum, and I chose to lynch the one that I was leaning toward, and who I thought would be less useful later on if indeed he were town. WL's bulletproof claim helped influence my decision, but I now know that it was all a waste.

Scratch I think, Rajam, you're fishing for power roles.

I don't see it.


I still disagree with lynching T-block, and think a J or AA lynch will be much more fruitful. I'd give reasoning but xD lazy

 

[Rajam]

So GorfSK had the following options:

- Kill Laundry and be the good guy for ridding us of a scummy town playerslot
- Kill Laundry and be the good guy for ridding us of a scumbag
- Hit Laundry's BP and be safe to claim Vig via not having "shot" anybody N1

Looks like GorfSK would've had a good reason to shoot Laundry regardless of the consequences. He's definitely a SK contender.

mmm I still think SK Gorf would've either lynched WL to ensure either BP or scum dead, or lynch Kantrip + letting WL alive to ensure a free day surviving. I believe the claim + actions make a lot of sense

 

[T-block]

sorry guys. last week or so has been ridiculous with midterms, lab reports, assignments, and job applications on top of that, but things are calmer and this is now the only game i'm in so i can actually play now

case on me has, as far as i can tell, no real substance. JM brings up a point that i've addressed several times - i will continue to maintain that hinting potential PR when claiming miller is the correct way to do it.

did gheb ever flesh out what he disliked about my posts?

my stances have been available throughout the whole game pretty much... but here you go:

rr, asdioh town. j's slot null but i'll have to read his more recent posts. rajam has been looking better i suppose, but i am still caught up on his early play. fine with asdioh. JM can die. gorf is vig. gheb is eh. i'd like to know where my name came from in AA's 1364.

 

[#HBC | J]

Things like the last line of Asdioh's latest post make me go :|

TB, why did you feel the need to mention Asdioh twice? =P I also want to know what "eh Gheb" means.

Rajam, why are you ignoring what I have been posting? Everything about your stuff against my slot is against July to the point where you keep referring to me as July. Hi, I'm J. =D Please to meet you now get at me with stuff I can actually get at.

RR's back-door with his hop-onto TB is not likey like at all. He is giving himself an outing if TB claims a PR or something and it just reeks to me. >.<"

JM's full-fledged saying that RR is the miller is also making me look at him with that strange eye still but adding onto it, I dislike his attempt to smear Rajam more with the PR hunting which I honestly didn't get at all.

 

[#HBC | J]

JM probably, or maybe Tblock

just to move the game along

I don't like this AA. =[

See the thing is, I dislike how you are trying to just people please to "move the game along". Are JM/TB your scum-reads? What are your thoughts on them? Why is your vote nowhere and should it be on?

Please help me inside your noggin. ^^

 

[Jim Morrison]

RR's back-door with his hop-onto TB is not likey like at all. He is giving himself an outing if TB claims a PR or something and it just reeks to me. >.<"

Definitely this.

Right now, I'm willing to lynch either T-block or AA.

 

[#HBC | J]

Wait a second. I'm confused.

You just said you agreed with what I said about RR's vote but you still wanna lynch TB or AA. =?

 

[T-block]

Things like the last line of Asdioh's latest post make me go :|

TB, why did you feel the need to mention Asdioh twice? =P I also want to know what "eh Gheb" means.

Rajam, why are you ignoring what I have been posting? Everything about your stuff against my slot is against July to the point where you keep referring to me as July. Hi, I'm J. =D Please to meet you now get at me with stuff I can actually get at.

RR's back-door with his hop-onto TB is not likey like at all. He is giving himself an outing if TB claims a PR or something and it just reeks to me. >.<"

JM's full-fledged saying that RR is the miller is also making me look at him with that strange eye still but adding onto it, I dislike his attempt to smear Rajam more with the PR hunting which I honestly didn't get at all.

i was hopping between my reply and the player list to make sure i got everyone and i forgot i listed asdioh at the beginning apparently

eh gheb means he's pushing me awfully strongly, and i'm not seeing how that progressed from his 1311. i'd like to see him put some substance behind the push on me. if i missed something, then please let me know.

 

[Asdioh]

Wait a second. I'm confused.

You just said you agreed with what I said about RR's vote but you still wanna lynch TB or AA. =?

These were my thoughts as well.

"I think RR is PR fishing on T-block, and I don't like it. I want to lynch T-block or AA" is what I saw

 

[#HBC | J]

@Mod: Request Prod/Replacement on Gorf? o.o

So TB, do you still feel JM is the best lynch? If not him, then who?

 

[T-block]

oh, also mod, i never got that prod you supposedly sent out this morning. just fyi.

yeah, i still like the JM lynch best. nothing he's done has made me feel any better about him.

 

[#HBC | J]

I do agree with you that nothing JM has really done is doing much for him especially with his weird weird statement. @_@

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Dear SWF,

I'm sorry it was unannounced, but I was baker acted from school on Thursday because I was a threat to myself. I stayed in a psychiatric ward until, well, just now so I'm sorry my V/LA was not stated but... yea... Sorry to any mods of any games I'm in, I'm NOT planning on replacing out of any of my games, and my regular activity will be back unless specified. Thanks mangs

Love,

DAT GORF.

Thisis10char.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yes I am fishing, and I am not afraid to admit it.

I want to see it to delve into possible intent.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes I am fishing, and I am not afraid to admit it.

I want to see it to delve into possible intent.

This is....terribly scummy. Like there is like no town intent I can muster to believe in what you trying to accomplish here RR. If you believe TB is a PR or something like that and not scum, what town benefit gives you the point to lynch/vote him? You are literally admitting to being scummy and thinking it's just okay. I don't like this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Silly J.

It is incredibly important for my read on T-Block, depending on what he claims depends if I think he was bull****ing us or not.

I believe there is a townie reason to do this as certain PRs, but not as others.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Oh, by the way, we're still lynching Doors right?

/haven't read anything yet.